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Dec 21, 2021 21:19:13 GMT
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I'm looking at getting some extra speakers/upgrading current speakers in the Pop. Currently have some 6.5" Vibe Slick (Halfrauds specials) speakers in the rear side panels and want to fit some shallow small speakers in the roof panel (near my head) as I can't hear the quieter tracks over the engine noise I 'could' turn the stereo up more, but I know the set volume level is the loudest that is safe/comfortable with the engine off. Stereo is nothing special, just a Kenwood KDC 4057-U head unit with 4 speaker outlets (currently only use rear channel). I've seen these 4" speakers which should just about fit and are nice and unobtrusive but are they any good? It's difficult to find much info on small shallow speakers on the net. There are also these which should be better but may be a bit too big and look wrong. Also some advice on possible better replacement rear speakers - still need to be fairly shallow, or are Vibe a decent make? All advice welcome on brands to look at.
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brachunky
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Car speaker advice please.brachunky
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Dec 21, 2021 21:36:39 GMT
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With the amount of effort you have put into the pop, I would be tempted to install a nice midrange system to compliment your work! Your chosen supplier normally stocks some pretty decent stuff.
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Dec 21, 2021 21:45:39 GMT
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To be fair I've just been reading up on the Kenwood and it got excellent reviews, with really good sound. I can't hear too much over the engine so its really just being able to hear all the music on longer journeys rather than just the loud bits. If it were a quiet car I would fit something pretty decent.
Just want to know what makes are good and what to avoid.
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Dec 21, 2021 22:00:33 GMT
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get an amp and look into speakers that are not rated max power but peak power so you get loud without distortion. I kind of feel you will already know this as there are very few things my old brain knows that others don't already know. Possible look into component ( i think there are called ) speakers as well as you can put the little mids and tweeters closer to you and the bass which is more powerful and bigger hidden away.
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Dec 21, 2021 22:17:52 GMT
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Sounds like you need to make the engine quieter…….🤔
……… I’ll get my coat …..
Nick
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1967 Triumph Vitesse convertible (old friend) 1996 Audi A6 2.5 TDI Avant (still durability testing) 1972 GT6 Mk3 (Restored after loong rest & getting the hang of being a car again)
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Dec 21, 2021 22:42:46 GMT
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I don't want more volume as that would put it into 'bad for my ears' territory. The stereo I have can go much louder but I know the volume would have my ears singing after I got out & I already have tinnitus.
I don't want/need to upgrade as space is at an absolute premium in the entire car, I just want advice on good/bad makes of speakers.
It used to be Pioneer when I was young, but that was almost 40 years ago, lol.
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Dec 22, 2021 11:34:02 GMT
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Pioneer still ok AFAIK. Also Alpine, Kenwood & Blaupunkt.
Any scope to arrange something like the early MX5 with speakers in headrests?
Nick
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1967 Triumph Vitesse convertible (old friend) 1996 Audi A6 2.5 TDI Avant (still durability testing) 1972 GT6 Mk3 (Restored after loong rest & getting the hang of being a car again)
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Dec 22, 2021 13:01:27 GMT
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Dec 22, 2021 15:32:25 GMT
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I have used a brand called FLI on anumber of occasions and found them to perform well and be value. Vibe are ok. JBL and FOCAL are good but FOCAL are a bit more expensive although perform well.
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Needs a bigger hammer mate.......
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Dec 22, 2021 15:36:13 GMT
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Dec 22, 2021 15:55:51 GMT
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VIBE are brilliant, and for the money they are untouchable. I'd say 90% of the performance of the very high end components for a small percentage of the cost.
I built a couple of full systems using VIBE in the early to mid 2000s, and they blew away some far more expensive builds. They are biased towards bass-heavy systems though, so it all depends what you're looking for.
FLI is VIBE's "budget" brand for their low-end stuff, and is notably cheap quality, although still better than most in its price range, but for the lowest end of the market I find In-Phase to be pretty good for the money. They are a little bit of a VIBE copy really.
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LowStandards
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Dec 23, 2021 15:25:43 GMT
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I'll second that, Vibe are cracking for the money
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Dec 23, 2021 16:10:40 GMT
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ChasR
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Car speaker advice please.ChasR
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Given how loud your pop is, if space allows (albeit they'd need to be under the dash, I'd consider a set of Acoustic horns, driven off a good small, but efficient Class D amplifier. That will give you sound quality, but also loudness.
Vibe stuff is good for the money. InPhase stuff is OK, but it's generally stuff made in China which the Car Audio Centre were (and by the looks of it, still are) very keen to peddle on.
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Dec 25, 2021 13:40:20 GMT
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Thanks Chas - there is no under dash!
The extra Kenwoods near my head in the roof dash will hopefully sort it, I don't want louder - I just need to be able to hear it over the ambient engine noise. Having speakers near my head should sort this I think.
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ChasR
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Dec 26, 2021 10:35:56 GMT
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If that's the case, I'd ensure they are mounted well, and probably sound deadened around the area for a number of reasons
-It will make the speakers more efficient -Musically, they'll sound alot more dynamic and well rounded
So, if you can mount them on either metal plates or wooden baffles securely mounted, that will make a pleasant impact.
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Dec 26, 2021 14:22:16 GMT
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Roof dash is sheet aluminium and pretty solid as it houses all of the roof guages/switches & stereo. It's reinforced and bolts into the roll cage.
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norm75
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Dec 30, 2021 11:45:53 GMT
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Subaru standard sound system is pants so upgraded mine. Changed the factory hu (kenwood) with an alpine unit as the first step. This improved sound quality and volume. A mate of mine gave me a box of infinity reference speakers so changed the door front speakers with these, and had some builders sound deadening (adhesive flashband) knocking around so used that on the door skins. That improved sound quality again but my wife likes the volume far too high and killed the speakers.
I now have vibe components in the rear doors and focal components in the front doors. Sound quality is again another step up. I recommend the focal speakers, they are good quality but were £120 for the front set up (6.5” woofers, 1.5”tweeters and crossover boxes) They do cheaper sets, and 2 way sets as well as components. Where I bought mine they were doing free dynamat sound deadening kits when buying the focal speakers.
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Dec 30, 2021 12:16:01 GMT
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I'm not the best judge for car speakers, most of the decent hifi ive got is indoors. when it comes to cars ive always tried to get the best out of a small budget. i had some small sonys that were great at picking up detail in high notes and were pretty loud for what they were, but I'm not sure they were shallow fit. jbl are my other go to brand, great all rounders. there are plenty of budget speakers out there that can be suprisingly good, and some top brands that don't quite hit the mark.
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ChasR
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Dec 30, 2021 13:01:25 GMT
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I'm not the best judge for car speakers, most of the decent hifi ive got is indoors. when it comes to cars ive always tried to get the best out of a small budget. i had some small sonys that were great at picking up detail in high notes and were pretty loud for what they were, but I'm not sure they were shallow fit. jbl are my other go to brand, great all rounders. there are plenty of budget speakers out there that can be suprisingly good, and some top brands that don't quite hit the mark. Alot of it is down to application, and know-how. Here, the pricier stuff doesn't seem to hit the mark as some of the core things need improvement beforehand to allow them to excel. Ideally, having a decent amp to run speakers is beneficial. The pricier stuff since I'd say the 00s is less efficient powerwise, as most headunits lack the detail and power required to run them, now just throw sound out. Most headunits do around a 'clean' 6W RMS, once you get past the MEGA BASS, SICK SOUND & MAX POWER nonesense around them, claiming they can do 4X50W (Peak). Alpine were one of the first to try and get more power from the headunits, but they also stated a dedicated feed was required for the headunit too. My 9887R can do around 10(ish) Watts per channel, with the 9855 and 9835 doing a similar amount, as well as one I've forgotten the number of ; the one I'm thinking of was called a Baby F1. Speakers since the 00s aren't very efficient, so as to give them better suspension control etc. so a decent amp is required. Less sensitive speakers get around this problem, which is what some JBLs and moreso Alpine Type E's tend to be ; Alpine's are designed to work with a car headunit. This can bring other problems about however, and decent clean power now amp wise is alot cheaper to get than it used to be. Where speakers are placed and how they are mounted makes a huge difference too. Ideally, you'd have them almost outside of the car as far foward as possible, to reduce Path Length Differences (PLDs), but that is not always practical or possible! You'd also want them near head height, which again, isn't always possible. But it's amazing what can be done with some known-how. Mouting the speakers so that they don't have an air gap all around them, and that the mounting itself is solid, and not just some card it is put onto makes a difference too. Phasing of the speakers can bring around pleasant effects, but that's for the next section Processing power really does help, but ideally, the core steps are always best done first. By processing, I mean a processor which can do -Time Alignment -Phasing -Levels -EQing 4 cars I know of (2 of which I owned) had the same type of speaker (Rainbow Profis). They sounded very different in each car, where some made changes to improve matters. But that's a story for another day. I can mount speakers well, and seem to think I know which deadening products are worth buying, but the setup is something I've improved on but am still struggling with; not as much as I used to however. Some who know keep these secrets close to their chest ; many after all had won SQ championships for EMMA and IASCA. I'm happy for anyone interested to say how I get a 'result'.
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Last Edit: Dec 30, 2021 13:04:06 GMT by ChasR
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