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Nov 25, 2021 17:10:41 GMT
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Sorry that this is prob only of interest to me, but my car passion really started when my Dad turned up to my sixth birthday in a brand new XJS convertible (he was feeling quite flush at the time). I loved that car, but until today could never find any pics of it or recall the reg. Well my Dad is now in care and sorting through his stuff my sister found the original invoice from 1989, along with the reg - F484 MVR, when I plugged this into the MOT history checker it came up as non-existent registration so wondered if anybody had any superior means to find any info about it's end? My Dad sold it I guess in the early to mid 90s. Edit: I realised the thread lacks pics. Haven't got any pics of the car but it was the same colour scheme as the one Clarkson turned into a train:
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Last Edit: Nov 29, 2021 14:22:04 GMT by Adambt
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What happened to F484 MVR?Mercdan68
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Nov 25, 2021 18:20:50 GMT
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Must now be on a personal Reg I think?
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Nov 25, 2021 22:30:10 GMT
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Could be on a cherished plate, but far more likely is that it has been officially scrapped. If that happens, the number is removed from the records and it is not allowed to be re-issued.
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Nov 26, 2021 12:57:32 GMT
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Thanks both, I hadn't realised the number is removed from the records if scrapped, most of the old cars I check seem to still come up even if obviously dead, maybe they just never got officially scrapped.
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Last Edit: Nov 26, 2021 12:58:00 GMT by Adambt
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Nov 26, 2021 13:59:49 GMT
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It's a good point about the private plate, I realised I also have the chassis number on the original invoice so tried that in the XJS register but no joy
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norm75
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Nov 26, 2021 15:19:15 GMT
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Not used it myself but dvla always used to offer a service where they disclose information for a small fee.
I would be more inclined to think it’s had a private plate on it. The XJS were very prone to rust so may have been scrapped, but every car I’ve checked the mot history on that has long since died still comes up, including known write offs (they paid me out, one of them was burnt to a shell and would never have been repaired, C999HTM)
Just last weekend my brother was talking about a van my dad had over 30 years ago. I told him what I thought was the reg number for it, and did the mot check. This was also scrapped many years ago, not only that but the plate was cloned after my dad sold it to a friend of his, and dad had a call from the police saying it had been used in a ram raid, so on that basis I think that reg number must have been officially scrapped but it still shows on mot check (B298VKN)
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Last Edit: Nov 26, 2021 15:21:07 GMT by norm75
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Nov 26, 2021 16:05:10 GMT
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It’s alright quoting ‘officially scrapped’ but that will only be the case if someone has sent the V5 saying exactly that, or obviously online. What loads do is physically scrap the car, then just leave the V5 in the bottom of a draw, find it 5 yrs later then bin it. Hence, not officially scrapped but the owner would say it is
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Nov 26, 2021 18:21:47 GMT
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Not used it myself but dvla always used to offer a service where they disclose information for a small fee. You need to have what DVLA consider to be a good reason to have the information. At one point you could fill in a V888 for a car registered to you and they would send copies of all old V5s, but they don't do that any more. Some people (parking firms, for example) can get information based on registration as sending a parking penalty counts as a good reason, but the OP has already seen that the registration doesn't come up. It's a good point about the private plate, I realised I also have the chassis number on the original invoice so tried that in the XJS register but no joy There are quite a few "VIN to Registration" services around, and I have an idea that someone with a proper HPI account (i.e. a trader, not the general public version) can do a similar check which would reveal the current registration.
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Last Edit: Nov 26, 2021 18:22:16 GMT by droopsnoot
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norm75
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Nov 26, 2021 19:52:31 GMT
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It’s alright quoting ‘officially scrapped’ but that will only be the case if someone has sent the V5 saying exactly that, or obviously online. What loads do is physically scrap the car, then just leave the V5 in the bottom of a draw, find it 5 yrs later then bin it. Hence, not officially scrapped but the owner would say it is well ‘officially scrapped’ is just speculation on my part, but the two vehicles I had written off I sent the logbooks to the insurance company. I would like to think this was then dealt with correctly. One of them was repairable, but history check has no details of it returning to the road. The other as I said was burnt to its shell and no chance of being repaired.
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Last Edit: Nov 26, 2021 19:53:04 GMT by norm75
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Nov 26, 2021 20:52:39 GMT
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Many of the cars I used to own come up unlisted on DVLA (i've checked, I remember the reg of every car i've ever owned, over 200 cars!) so i guess they got officially scrapped. Others still exist, on paper (or computer) at least, including one I know has been exported to Germany and many dozens that I know have been broken up.
There was a time when this official scrapping process was easy, you just effectively ticked a box and sent the V5 off. Then they brought in this rubbish thing of having a "certificate of destruction" before it got made official. Since then, i've not offially scrapped a car as most I deal with are only a few rotten bits by the time they reach the scrap merchants. I think many others think the same way, or simply can't be arsed to go through the rigmarole. Including the vast bulk of scrap merchants!
The other thing I should mention here is that VOSA, or DVSA or whatever they call themselves this week, have only been keeping computerised MOT records since 2014 or thereabouts, anything that fell into disuse before then will not exist as far as they are concerned. It should also be noted that although it would be easy to do, VOSA/DVSA and DVLA do not communicate on any meaningfull level!
My first port of call would be to put the reg into the DVLAs VED status checker the records go back much further and might tell you something.
Steve
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Nov 28, 2021 15:17:29 GMT
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It’s alright quoting ‘officially scrapped’ but that will only be the case if someone has sent the V5 saying exactly that, or obviously online. What loads do is physically scrap the car, then just leave the V5 in the bottom of a draw, find it 5 yrs later then bin it. Hence, not officially scrapped but the owner would say it is well ‘officially scrapped’ is just speculation on my part, but the two vehicles I had written off I sent the logbooks to the insurance company. I would like to think this was then dealt with correctly. One of them was repairable, but history check has no details of it returning to the road. The other as I said was burnt to its shell and no chance of being repaired. Back in the late '80/early 90's I worked for a large vehicle rental fleet They would sell ANYTHING, regardless of its condition. We weren't supposed to tell new owners about past history, but one day I got a call from the Met Police asking about a 1988 transit The vehicle had been sold for £50 having been totally burnt out. Not wanting to withhold info from plod I told them, and got 'Well, that's novel, it's just done a bank job in Finchley!' 😳
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Nov 28, 2021 21:09:10 GMT
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Doesn't go into my system at all. I can normally give a scrapping date and check if cars have been exported. Maybe it's been on a private plate so I can't see it. Has anyone got an old ref they know is long scrapped so I can check the system is working still. Gotta love it when old employers keep the same password
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Nov 28, 2021 21:11:07 GMT
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I may be able to search on the vin if you wanna pm it to me? It doesn't normally like old vins tho
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What happened to F484 MVR?mk2cossie
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Nov 28, 2021 23:49:51 GMT
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Doesn't go into my system at all. I can normally give a scrapping date and check if cars have been exported. Maybe it's been on a private plate so I can't see it. Has anyone got an old ref they know is long scrapped so I can check the system is working still. Gotta love it when old employers keep the same password I know M231 LYM was scrapped years ago if that helps your cause?
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There was a time when this official scrapping process was easy, you just effectively ticked a box and sent the V5 off. It's still easy now - I've scrapped two donor cars in the last 5 years. On each occasion, I just wrote 'scrapped' across the V5 with a covering letter explaining I'd dismantled it for parts, and got confirmation I was no longer the registered keeper on each within a week. The most recent one still shows up on the dvla reg check.
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There was a time when this official scrapping process was easy, you just effectively ticked a box and sent the V5 off. It's still easy now - I've scrapped two donor cars in the last 5 years. On each occasion, I just wrote 'scrapped' across the V5 with a covering letter explaining I'd dismantled it for parts, and got confirmation I was no longer the registered keeper on each within a week. The most recent one still shows up on the dvla reg check. Shows as scrapped or still as a vehicle on the system? If it's the latter, then you'd have to say the system is not working, unless it was very recent & it's not yet been input
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Nov 29, 2021 10:04:58 GMT
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It's still easy now - I've scrapped two donor cars in the last 5 years. On each occasion, I just wrote 'scrapped' across the V5 with a covering letter explaining I'd dismantled it for parts, and got confirmation I was no longer the registered keeper on each within a week. The most recent one still shows up on the dvla reg check. Shows as scrapped or still as a vehicle on the system? If it's the latter, then you'd have to say the system is not working, unless it was very recent & it's not yet been input It doesn't show as scrapped, I don't think (DF51NWW). I'd agree that the system may not show it as scrapped, but either way it's not registered to me any more
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Nov 29, 2021 13:24:41 GMT
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I tried writing scrapped on the logbook with a covering letter for a donor I had, got a letter back a month later with a 90 quid fine for not using an authorised vehicle dismantler
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Nov 29, 2021 13:31:12 GMT
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I may be able to search on the vin if you wanna pm it to me? It doesn't normally like old vins tho Thanks, I've dropped you a message
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Nov 29, 2021 13:49:42 GMT
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I tried writing scrapped on the logbook with a covering letter for a donor I had, got a letter back a month later with a 90 quid fine for not using an authorised vehicle dismantler Is that really enforceable? What did you do with the shell? I've got a friendly local scrapyard who will take a logbook off me even after they've had the shell, and issue a certificate of destruction. Talk about it not being what you know, but who...
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