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Oct 24, 2021 15:20:07 GMT
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Cant have too many projects on the go, so figured I'd take on another. This is an old fortis steel vice. It's rare as it has 2 rotating front jaws so not can hold awkward shaped work. Not a common feature on bench vices! It is however rusted solid. Nothing at all moves. So, need to 're rust, get it apart, paint it, make new jaws, and do whatever repairs are needed from the rust damage. Should be a handy addition to the workshop though.
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Oct 24, 2021 16:28:59 GMT
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Interesting, always a sucker for interesting tools. Chuck it in a bucket of diesel? Ttfn Glenn
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Oct 24, 2021 16:50:23 GMT
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Interesting, always a sucker for interesting tools. Chuck it in a bucket of diesel? Ttfn Glenn It's expensive at the moment! But yeah, diesel, parafin, citric, electrolysis, one way or another I'll free it up.
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ChrisT
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Unusual fortis vice restoChrisT
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Oct 24, 2021 17:05:35 GMT
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Should be a good tool if you can sort the rust. Have you seen the Fractal Vice resto doing the rounds on Youtube a few months back that takes this idea and runs with it?
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Oct 24, 2021 17:20:16 GMT
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Should be a good tool if you can sort the rust. Have you seen the Fractal Vice resto doing the rounds on Youtube a few months back that takes this idea and runs with it? Yes, saw it a while back. There have been quite a few variations on moving, or adaptable jaws on vices over the years. I've seen ones where the jaw is hollow and full of steel shot. The jaw faces are pins that can move in the shot. There are also ones with many revolving cam plates. The fractal is VERY cool though.
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Looking forward to seeing how you progress with this, you've certainly got your work cut out, (Have you considered an ATF / Acetate mixture and leave it soaking for a couple of weeks ??) Nigel
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Oct 26, 2021 11:09:37 GMT
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Looking forward to seeing how you progress with this, you've certainly got your work cut out, (Have you considered an ATF / Acetate mixture and leave it soaking for a couple of weeks ??) Nigel I've considered all sorts but one big issue is in needs getting on for 100L to get it soaking.
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Oct 26, 2021 11:11:33 GMT
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Whatever I do to de rust it I didn't want the brass front plate in the mix. I have managed to get the quick release mech and main screw out now though, rest is still solid. 2 bolts broke as soon as I tried to undo them, not a big deal though.
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Oct 26, 2021 14:53:55 GMT
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Nice that looks familiar? I wondered about an electric bath thingy
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It will come in handy even if you never use it
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Oct 26, 2021 15:56:02 GMT
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Nice that looks familiar? I wondered about an electric bath thingy I'll probably end up using electrolysis and citric. It's packed with rust and dirt on top of the sliding jaw, inside the body, and nothing will get it out so far. Shock doesnt seem to free it either. I'll get it out, even if it involves foxy acetylene and a hydraulic press!
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Dez
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Oct 26, 2021 16:12:00 GMT
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A soak in neat TFR is the one that cleans cast iron better than anything. Give it a scrub every 2-3 days, then jet wash it off. Keep doing it til it’s clean enough for you.
Deffo a cool thing though. I’ve been keeping an eye out for similar for ages and still havent found anything.
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Last Edit: Oct 26, 2021 16:12:52 GMT by Dez
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Oct 26, 2021 16:25:16 GMT
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I've had some success in the past with dumping stuff on a charcoal brazier Not sure if it'll work for you though, you'll need some serious heat to soak that!
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Oct 26, 2021 16:34:28 GMT
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A soak in neat TFR is the one that cleans cast iron better than anything. Give it a scrub every 2-3 days, then jet wash it off. Keep doing it til it’s clean enough for you. Deffo a cool thing though. I’ve been keeping an eye out for similar for ages and still havent found anything. As I probably mentioned before, the issue is how much liquid it takes to soak it. I should probably build and line a wood box or something. The tolerances on the sliding jaw are very close, closer than my record 112. In fact it seems better quality on general than the record. The castings aren't greatly finished, but it's cast steel so that's harder to get nice. Thw tolerances make the rust and dirt that's in there hard to get out. Its been soaking in either soap or wd40 for 36 hours and no liquid has penetrated more than 2 or 3mm, and it needs to penetrate 125mm. If i could get something in to dig some out, that would help. I used a hacksaw blade on the sides, but it won't fit on top. There is one of these on ebay, but not cheap. Not many about but you never know when another will surface.
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Last Edit: Oct 26, 2021 16:37:49 GMT by VW
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Oct 26, 2021 16:35:21 GMT
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I've had some success in the past with dumping stuff on a charcoal brazier Not sure if it'll work for you though, you'll need some serious heat to soak that! I used heat to free the handle From the end of the lead screw. No about of hammering would do it but heat did. I might put the vice on top of the garage wood burner and get it warmed up.
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Oct 26, 2021 17:25:46 GMT
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Found an old junior hacksaw blade, ground it to a point, and used it to dig as much mud out of the top as possible. Soaked in wd40 and beat the help out of it with a copper mallet. It moved! Then eventually came out. Now I need to get the 2 front jaws out and it will no doubt be the hard part. They sit in pockets and due to the nature of this kind of thing, are a good tight fit. At least that will have stopped the mud getting in.
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Oct 26, 2021 18:58:19 GMT
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Thats excellent progress
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It will come in handy even if you never use it
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Oct 26, 2021 19:30:42 GMT
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I'm relieved to get this far. Front jaws might be more of a challenge.
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Oct 27, 2021 17:01:08 GMT
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No more pics yet but rear jaw insert is off, had to drill the bolt out. Quick release is all apart after drilling the pin out. Dynamic jaw is soaking in citric to try and free the front jaws.
I sorted the broken bolts too. I'd ran out of gas (disposable bottle valves are rubbish!) So I went to the local Adams place and got 10L as I'm fed up with little bottles. I've used these Adams bottles before so already had a proper reg. I just don't weld much these days so had reverted to disposable.
Needn't had bothered as it didn't work. I never have much luck. It just kept steering off more bolt. So I drilled then out and 're tapped the holes. There metric now but don't tell anyone!
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Oct 27, 2021 20:38:11 GMT
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I decided these were coming out tonight. Heat, penetrating fluid, copper hammer, over and over again. Took about 1.5 hours, but there out!! Need to drill the bolt out that holds the jaw in this bit then it's all apart. De rusting can start now, then cleaning up the machined surfaces, then paint.
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Nov 12, 2021 16:34:51 GMT
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Been a bit slack on the updates! De rusted, painted, reassembled. New jaws cut from O1 steel. Waiting for the tap and bolts to fix them on, then need to decide if/how to knurl them before I harden and temper them.
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