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Rubbish title as it does not say what I am asking. I have a pair of Makita cordless drills and three dying batteries plus two chargers that craigrk gave me a few years ago when he found a pile of them on the sidewalk near his house. They work well as cordless drills as long as the battery lasts, however, all of it, including chucks are well worn, and to be honest even frustrating at times. Mickey next door has a cordless Makita impact driver which is an absolute gem, blows my mind every time I use it. I am looking to buy a new pair, drill and impact driver (I do have a large mains, corder Clarke unit that is a brute) The impact will probably work mainly on woodwork, and the odd mechanical job, speeding up fitting back nuts and bolts with a small adapter. I am not particularly brand loyal, as I have had B&Q “Power” and McCulloch branded items before that were perfectly adequate and fit for purpose. I cannot recall what, but seem to recall Dez recently replaced some of his cordless tools, maybe Dewalt? I know Milwaukee is having massive success right now as they are on all the Nat-Geo television programs etc. Anyway, advice, tips and pointers appreciated on what to look for and avoid. I am probably more of an occasional hobby type user, so it would not be charged 2-3 times a day like the guys on a building site or workshop. BUT….. I do like and prefer Pro-type tools that are half decent and can last. Thanks for your input and feedback.
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Last Edit: Nov 21, 2021 9:12:51 GMT by grizz
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I think that you will get no bother from either a DeWalt or a Makita twin pack. One thing that I can tell you about Makita is that they have an absolutely excellent customer service centre. My cordless drill developed a fault, and they were brilliant in picking it up, replacing the gearbox and sending it back to me, all free of charge. On the flipside, because I couldn't find the receipt or email, despite me having a Credit Card receipt, Wickes wouldn't entertain it, despite it being only 9 months old.
I have inherited a Makita impact driver from my Dad and it's an awesome bit of kit. I have bought a set of Makita impact sockets and an appropriate adapter for £20-odd which work perfectly.
My friend has recently bought himself a DeWalt and swears by it, so I guess it depends on what deals are available. I can't speak for Milwaukee as I don't know anyone with one.
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Cordless power tools at the professional level are pretty much a two horse race now. It’s DeWalt or Milwaukee. Makita is lagging behind on product development and doesn’t even offer comparable models to those made by the first two on quite a lot of items.. If you need one of those specific tools these puts them out of the running immediately, as it did me.
I went dewalt, as although I’m a professional user I didn’t need any of the specific tools where Milwaukee trumps dewalt, or didn’t think the extra expense was justified. (Some Milwaukee tools are marginally better, but also considerably more expensive). I currently have a combi drill, 1/4” hex impact (with adapters to all the square drives, which is an amazing tool and do everything up to and including wheel nuts no problem) , the big boy 1/2” impact for jobs where if that doesn’t undo it (or if it breaks it) it’s f-ked anyway, a strimmer which is a revelation compared to the mcculloch petrol one in replaced, and the fancier flex head torch body which is now one of my most used tools. All of these are the brushless versions and the full fat top-of-the line professional versions, not the discount versions screwfix and the like usually sell on ‘deals’ that have lesser features.
I’ve got 4 5ah batteries and one standard charger and haven’t managed to get into a situation which I’ve been left waiting for the charger yet, but I work on my own so I wouldn’t expect to.
A lot of it is down to what tools you want/need. No one really makes a bad brushless combi or brushless 1/4 hex impact, as they’re the mainstay of all tool lines and pretty much the first thing anyone buys in a range. The manufacturers know these have to be good and it’s what they spend most money developing. Conversely the less of a tool they will sell the less they bother with it. The big 900nm impact was a a key part of my decision to go with dewalt. The same spec Milwaukee one is nearly £100 more, and no one else makes anything else comparable. The bare tool is £160 which is a bit of a bargain tbh, for me it paid for itself on one job. The strimmer I only really bought because I had the batteries already, and it’s damn good for the money. I was expecting it to struggle when worked hard but it really doesn’t. Dewalt are also king of the hill when it comes to panel saws (I’ll be buying one fo those next).. As for anything else I don’t really know because I haven’t looked at buying any other tools yet.
If you’re going to be investing in a new battery platform, you should be watching a load of tool reviews on YouTube before you do. (The more scientific, unbiased ones, not the ‘X manufacturer gave us this ain’t it amazing’ ones). They’re mostly American based so they cover some stuff we don’t get here, mostly lower end DIY store home brands but the professional level stuff is largely the same products we get. The dewalt and makita stuff is also named differently in the states- what is 20v there can only legally be called 18v here. For example the 20v max dewalt is 18v XR here.
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Thank you guys. I want a decent drill with largest chuck available, and of course an impact driver with these adapters Dez mentions. Next will be to find a “mind blowing deal” on some professional top power tools with any kind of discount.
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I bought the dewalt twin pack that screwfix sell 5 years ago, renovated my entire house with them & rarley use a real screwdriver these days as the impact is so much better. For the price I don't think you can go wrong. Now have the jigsaw, circular saw & big f/o impact wrench. My mate & mechanic changed from snap-on to the Dewalt impact wrench and uses it all day everyday - doesnt have a bad word to say about it & cost half what the snap-on did, works better too. This is the new version of mine (now has 2x 3.0ah bats, mine had 2x 1.3ah) - bargain at this price. www.screwfix.com/p/dewalt-dck2060l2t-sfgb-18v-3-0ah-li-ion-xr-brushless-cordless-twin-pack/337kv
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Last Edit: Oct 6, 2021 14:12:40 GMT by joem83
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I bought the dewalt twin pack that screwfix sell 5 years ago, renovated my entire house with them & rarley use a real screwdriver these days as the impact is so much better. For the price I don't think you can go wrong. Now have the jigsaw, circular saw & big f/o impact wrench. My mate & mechanic changed from snap-on to the Dewalt impact wrench and uses it all day everyday - doesnt have a bad word to say about it & cost half what the snap-on did, works better too. This is the new version of mine (now has 2x 3.0ah bats, mine had 2x 1.3ah) - bargain at this price. www.screwfix.com/p/dewalt-dck2060l2t-sfgb-18v-3-0ah-li-ion-xr-brushless-cordless-twin-pack/337kvThats a bargain for whats included with VAT I recently purchased the really fancy Dewalt drill, and the Mac dealer was doing that with 200quid trade in! Also, the Dewalt stuff has 1 year warranty, and that's easily made 3 years by going on their website and registering the stuff in your online toolbox
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Another vote for Dewalt from me. Got a deal at Screwfix about 18 months ago on the box set impact driver and drill with 2 batteries and charger. They got used all day every day when we gutted and renovated my son's house. They were on sale at the time in one of their promo deals, which Screwfix seem to have often, plus my mate who is an electrician ordered them for me so got trade discount on the sale price, making them an even better bet.
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See, looking at the linked ‘screwfix deal’ twin pack, I’d say caveat emptor.
They’re exactly the type of ‘deal’ I referred to earlier. By that I mean they not a ‘bad’ deal, but they’re not quite as good a deal as they are at first glance.
For example, I bought a drill/impact twinpack with 2x5ah batteries, charger, in a tough system box for £260 give or take a couple quid. So that’s £80 more than that setup. Seems pretty good at first, but to ‘equal’ the battery capacity between the two sets you’d have to buy a further 4ah battery to go with the cheaper one. The cheapest I can find one for is £47. So, even after doing that it still seems good, £33 cheaper or thereabouts, right?
Well, no. Compare the model numbers and specs for the impacts and drills. The impact in the kit above doesn’t have the 3 step switchable torque control, whereas mine does. It also has 30nm less torque, so is 15% less powerful.
The drill is broadly similar but totally omits the 3 stage switchable built-in torch, which is a mega handy feature. It’s so bright I often use it as a second light source even if I’m not actually using the drill itself. Mine also produces a whopping 50% more torque than the one in the kit above, which is a huge difference. All for only £17 more on each bare tool once you’ve ‘levelled’ the battery outputs.
they don’t seem as much of a deal anymore, do they?
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Last Edit: Oct 6, 2021 22:21:53 GMT by Dez
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Just to back up what Dez has written from a professional point its either Milwaukee or Dewalt. The general consensus is that Milwaukee just edges it on quality but is also more expensive. From a Drill/Driver point I've got a Dewalt DCD985/DCF886 since August 2014 along with several other Dewalt 18v bits which all still work including the 4aH batteries. I see the linked double kit from Screwfix as Dewalts domestic range. It will be a step up from your old Makita but the quality isn't there. The Screwfix drill has a plasticy chuck rather then metal and you can feel a noticable difference in quality. I would buy a DCD796 £62 & DCF887 w/ 2x2aH £130 for £12 more then screwfix or look at a different brand. If you're drilling lots the DCD996 is a step up from the DCD796 but also £40 more and possibly overkill. And as Christmas is coming up I'll leave this here. DCD899 £1455 Amp Battery £55Hope that helps. Nick
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Keen diyer and car tinkered here. I bought the 950nm 1/2 dewalt impact gun as I wanted something that would unbolt everything I needed it to. I did look at Milwaukee bought the equivalent model was more expensive.
My sds drill is a makita and is as reliable as an anvil. Bought a new non-brand battery last year as the original one was dead. Also have a makita circular saw.
My little impact driver/drill is bosch and that's been fine over the last 6 years as I renovate the whole house.
I've just bought what tool I needed at the time I needed it but always made sure they are powerful enough to do the job.
Black Friday is 26th Nov so maybe wait until then to buy something.
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Silly question, but can one buy them without the carry boxes?
It is an item I have zero use or need for, and obviously one pays for.
I know these deals are often made in such a way that the “free” item forces you to just buy it.
To my simple, untrained eye, the cheaper drill body at £62 (though I do like a steel chuck) and then the DCF887 w/2x2aH for £130 seems what would satisfy my needs.
I would probably keep an eye open for a third battery but doubt I would often need to rotate three of them. (Stand to be corrected)
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I had to buy a case for my dewalt impact gun. It fits the charger in and I've got allows me to store it on my tools boxes in a vain attempt to be tidy.
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I had to buy a case for my dewalt impact gun. It fits the charger in and I've got allows me to store it on my tools boxes in a vain attempt to be tidy. I suspect some would, but I have a shelf above the welding table (place to throw everything once used) where the cordless stuff lives and it is above the grinders’ shelf (4 of them) So ideally I really prefer not to buy one and would not use it. Makes sense for many others though.
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Silly question, but can one buy them without the carry boxes? It is an item I have zero use or need for, and obviously one pays for. I know these deals are often made in such a way that the “free” item forces you to just buy it. To my simple, untrained eye, the cheaper drill body at £62 (though I do like a steel chuck) and then the DCF887 w/2x2aH for £130 seems what would satisfy my needs. I would probably keep an eye open for a third battery but doubt I would often need to rotate three of them. (Stand to be corrected) I can have a word with the Mac man, as he had an amazing deal for 2 batteries, charger, and a drill this week. They were just in cardboard boxes too. Can see if he can match the drill/bit driver deal above
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Silly question, but can one buy them without the carry boxes? It is an item I have zero use or need for, and obviously one pays for. I know these deals are often made in such a way that the “free” item forces you to just buy it. To my simple, untrained eye, the cheaper drill body at £62 (though I do like a steel chuck) and then the DCF887 w/2x2aH for £130 seems what would satisfy my needs. I would probably keep an eye open for a third battery but doubt I would often need to rotate three of them. (Stand to be corrected) I can have a word with the Mac man, as he had an amazing deal for 2 batteries, charger, and a drill this week. They were just in cardboard boxes too. Can see if he can match the drill/bit driver deal above Sounds great if spec is the same. Thank you
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Just to back up what Dez has written from a professional point its either Milwaukee or Dewalt. The general consensus is that Milwaukee just edges it on quality but is also more expensive. From a Drill/Driver point I've got a Dewalt DCD985/DCF886 since August 2014 along with several other Dewalt 18v bits which all still work including the 4aH batteries. I see the linked double kit from Screwfix as Dewalts domestic range. It will be a step up from your old Makita but the quality isn't there. The Screwfix drill has a plasticy chuck rather then metal and you can feel a noticable difference in quality. *****I would buy a DCD796 £62 & DCF887 w/ 2x2aH £130 for £12 more then screwfix or look at a different brand. *****If you're drilling lots the DCD996 is a step up from the DCD796 but also £40 more and possibly overkill. And as Christmas is coming up I'll leave this here. DCD899 £1455 Amp Battery £55Hope that helps. Nick Thank you all, I have gone for the simple Happy Home Maker pairing above for £192.00 I also have to say thanks to Dez who always shows both sides of the triangle for adding in perspective for me, as I do not have that. I trust it will do what I need, except for the poxy box that I paid for, but have no use for (but may end up using) Looking forward to this. Almost beer-0-Clock .
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Last Edit: Oct 8, 2021 15:35:24 GMT by grizz
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Probably be able to sell the case on ebay.
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Oct 12, 2021 10:42:29 GMT
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To late for OP but I've heard and seen good things with regards Ryobi. I'm likely going to get an impact driver and drill from them when I next purchase. Prices are very keen for the specs and reliability is (anecdotally) up there with the big brands.
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Oct 12, 2021 21:51:33 GMT
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I use mainly DeWalt tools in my carpentry workshop at work. They get plenty of use and sometimes out side in appalling conditions. As yet I haven’t had any problems, apart from batteries eventually giving up. But after moving into my new home, I decided to buy a twin set for working on the house. And ended up getting a Ryobi drill and impact set with two batteries and charger. As it was coming up to Christmas, Ryobi had a offer on. You could chose a free item from a list of 12. So I grabbed a free battery & I registered on line and got 3 years warranty as well. I have to say that I am very impressed with the kit and would definitely buy more Ryobi stuff. If you are looking for tools mainly for DIY purposes then you really can’t go wrong for the price they charge.
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Oct 12, 2021 22:43:26 GMT
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A mate here in New Zealand has a large collection of De Walt carpenter/builder's tools. Everything from drill/drivers and nail guns right up to a big table/mitre saw. It's all very good gear. Expensive but worth it.
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