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Hi, I use this car for cornering round winding country roads, no motorways etc and I would like to fit some grippy tyres, wear rate doesn't matter much but grip does. I think this means I want a soft compound. But I do not want to spend more than about £60 a corner, I normally use Black Circles via a local fitter as I have no facilities to DIY. The only tyres I have heard of in that price band are Toyo Proxes, which I have seen are often mentioned on here; the alternatives all seem to be unknown Chinese brands. Am I missing something, shall I fit Proxes or do I need to spend more mony? I have little experience of choosng tyres purely for grip. 14" wheels, a little bit wider than standard but not much. thanks Jerry
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Last Edit: Aug 19, 2021 9:44:44 GMT by jerrytug
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fulvia1436
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Nankang NS-2R work at that price
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Can you get Michellin PS4 in the size your after? They are fantastic tyres.
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Aug 20, 2021 10:06:51 GMT
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Thanks guys i will have a look
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Aug 20, 2021 16:29:04 GMT
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nankangs and proxes are really summer only but grip well,for all conditions Uniroyal rainsports are good even Uniroyal rainexperts are good for general hooning .
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Needs a bigger hammer mate.......
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Aug 23, 2021 10:49:04 GMT
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There's not going to be anything overly grippy in those sizes. The quality brands will all make tyres of that size, but none of them will be performance-orientated.
Nankang are terrible tyres full stop. Uniroyals in that size will be RainExpert rather than RainSport. Toyo Proxes will be CF2 rather than any of their sportier variants. Continentals will be PremiumContact rather than SportContact etc etc.
Your best bet as a price vs performance point will be the Toyo Proxes CF2 or Avon ZT7. Or the Uniroyals if wet weather performance is a priority.
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Aug 23, 2021 11:01:07 GMT
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any of the modern eco tyres will outperform the original michelin mxv tyres.
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Aug 24, 2021 10:28:20 GMT
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Uniroyals for me. I slapped them on my 106 a long time ago - fantastic tyres for the exact same roads you mention.
That made me fit them to my Caterham and they are equally good on that - nice and balanced.
Both nice light cars and I think they suit them perfectly - not got the ultimate grip, but they work very well in all conditions.
I had reservations about fitting them to my integrale, but I can't justify 100 quid a corner on a car I don't use everyday anymore (when I did, I have Pilot sports on it and they were fantastic).
I was worried they would tuck under and understeer would result . . . but I did it anyway . . and they do.
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fulvia1436
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There's not going to be anything overly grippy in those sizes. The quality brands will all make tyres of that size, but none of them will be performance-orientated. Nankang are terrible tyres full stop. Uniroyals in that size will be RainExpert rather than RainSport. Toyo Proxes will be CF2 rather than any of their sportier variants. Continentals will be PremiumContact rather than SportContact etc etc. Your best bet as a price vs performance point will be the Toyo Proxes CF2 or Avon ZT7. Or the Uniroyals if wet weather performance is a priority. I'd like to see the data supporting your harsh judgement on Nankang tyres They've served me well on the road and on track for a very reasonable time. They are also very well-priced, as was a stated requirement in the original post. I'm no longer in a position to afford Yokos or Toyos or Bridgestones etc, all of which I have used, but TBH I'm not disappointed with the Nankang NS-2R for road use, and their AR-1 for track time |
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Aug 27, 2021 16:52:02 GMT
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Uniroyal Rainsport or Michelin PS4 as people have said. If its a road car only don't bother with NS2R too slippy in the wet and lacking tread. Avoid T1R at all costs.
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Aug 27, 2021 21:05:14 GMT
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Falken SN832 if available in the right size. Really excellent in the wet and seem to wear well too
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Aug 28, 2021 23:00:12 GMT
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Thanks folks
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Aug 30, 2021 15:53:50 GMT
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What's the tyre size you are after?
Dunlop sport blue response
Goodyear efficientgrip
Both excellent all-rounders and essentially the same tyre (Goodyear own Dunlop)
Avon ZT7 as already mentioned, good for their low price.
Falken Ziex ZE914 are a favourite of mine but sadly dropped from the MSA 1A tyre list a couple years back so can no longer use them for competition. Still using them as my road tyre though.
Yokohama A539 are available in 185/50 R14 if that suits, but you are looking at £70 each. More of a dry weather tyre.
Or linglong black horse ditch finder generals. On the back anyway 😂
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What size? If 186/60R14, your options are limited. Nankang NS2-Rs are good, but they do need a little warming up. I had Toyo R888s on my 205 GTi and they were great. Not snappy at all. I'd agree on staying away from non-R Rated Nankangs and Chinese tyres. Them on my 205 Gti really did bring home how snappy those rear ends can be that they are know for. OTOH, 4 wheel drifting around roundabouts with friends who had never been in 205s was also fun (well, I didn't bend it!)  . CF2s worked well. RainSports are OK, but frankly, I'm not a fan. They have grip, but -Sidewalls are very soft. On sub 600kg cars they are OK, but otherwise, they are poor for having a decent feel. On heavier cars, no matter what you do with the tyre pressures (sometimes almost 5PSI over book!), the car just feels like the bushes are gone or the dampers are shot. On another Mondeo 2.5T, I thought the dampers were gone. Put on a set of Goodyear F1s next time around, and all of those problems went away. No wallowy front, no inert turn in on bends. You just fel more confident behind the wheel. On two cars (2.5T above and a Mercedes W211), they wore funny, again, down to the soft sidewalls. This made them noisy. Noisy enough for us to begin questioning wheel bearings etc. I get why people like them. They grip well for the cost. But for me, having confidence in the only thing gripping you to the ground also matters. I've had Efficient Grip Performances before, and they are great tyres. Long lived, progressive and very grippy. Another tyre I wouldn't write off are Nexen. They grip as good as a Goodyear. But they don't last as long. The cheaper cost for me doesn't make it worth it, but if your miles are low, they are a tyre to consider. |
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Sept 4, 2021 19:11:22 GMT
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Thanks chaps
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RainSports are OK, but frankly, I'm not a fan. They have grip, but -Sidewalls are very soft. On sub 600kg cars they are OK, but otherwise, they are poor for having a decent feel. On heavier cars, no matter what you do with the tyre pressures (sometimes almost 5PSI over book!), the car just feels like the bushes are gone or the dampers are shot. On another Mondeo 2.5T, I thought the dampers were gone. Put on a set of Goodyear F1s next time around, and all of those problems went away. No wallowy front, no inert turn in on bends. You just fel more confident behind the wheel. n two cars (2.5T above and a Mercedes W211), they wore funny, again, down to the soft sidewalls. This made them noisy. Noisy enough for us to begin questioning wheel bearings etc. I get why people like them. They grip well for the cost. But for me, having confidence in the only thing gripping you to the ground also matters. Tyre choice is hugely subjective and one mans choice may well be totally unsuitable for another I've run Uniroyals for years - funny the car that initially converted me to them was a 205 as they were OE fitment - I changed over to Goodyear NCT's when the first set wore out and was shocked at the effect it had on handling and ride - I was unhappy enough to change back to Uniroyals before the Goodyears had completely worn out. Then when they were OE tyres for Senators I went back to them again I agree they have a soft side wall so lack the "sharpness" on turn in but the grip isn't affected and the ride quality is always much better compared to a stiff sidewall tyre like a bridgestone or "run flat" I stuck a set of Rainsport 3's on the BMW 125i Coupe a couple of years ago (however knowing that the side walls were soft I spec'd the XL load rating version as that stiffens up the side wall and going from run flats to non run flats with M sport suspension I wanted to ensure it kept a little of the side wall stiffness (Specific BMW 1 series forum commentary suggested I'd die in the first ditch if I didn't fit PS4 or PS4s - seems they were wrong  ) And I've just put a set of Rainsport 5's in non XL version (What happened to 4's I don't know) on the SLK55 and I've again been impressed with them. I'm coming to the conclusion that I am and always have been a uniroyal fan boi!!!! I've had Efficient Grip Performances before, and they are great tyres. Long lived, progressive and very grippy. I ran a set of those on my SLK and was very impressed with them - they also had quite soft sidewalls so quite surprised you like them TL:DR - if I was buying a 205 I'd throw a set of Uniroyals on it without any hesitation as long as I could get them in the right size |
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Ha, I knew someone would question them  . On one of the Mondeos, I actually bought a wheel bearing for it. But I changed the tyres around, and found the problem straight away. The RS3s had worn funny. If it wasn't for that, my mate would have done the same on his S210 E320 CDI ; he didn't. He bought the black 2.5T Mondeo off my dad, and threw on another set of tyres, when I told him the problem, hence he was aware. I didn't realise Uniroyals were OE fitment to Peugeot. I'd have thought it would be Michelin, given Peugeot generally kept sourcing local. Everyday is a school day . The Goodyear EGPs I still reckon had a firmer sidewall than the RS3s. The fact they wore evenly, with zero mucking around with pressures would also confirm them or 'false' wheel bearing noises. There is the EfficientGrip and EfficientGrip Performance, where the EGP I suspect is a 'baby' F1 to get around the EU rating systems (That's a tale for another time. Basically, the tyre in said size is compared to the highest profile tyre in that brand ; Make of that what you will ). The cars I had the EGPs on probably also made a difference. From memory. -Audi A3 8P 2.0 PD TDI DSG ; With Lansails on the back, compared to 4 Lansails, I went from understeer to lift off oversteer; It shook me up a bit when it first happened ; It was literally 10 miles after leaving the tyre shop, where I thought the releasing compound would keep the EGPs 'slippy'. Probably a first for an Audi having oversteer (sorry folks!). A little silly to not change all 4? Maybe. But it was cheap motoring. -Mazda MX-5 1.6 : Being an early UK car, that was light, so that's a fair shout -Merc W124 250D : That had the Nexens on, but I wanted something longer lasting, being the car was my daily. So I changed them on that as well. Nexen NBlues I've found as good as EGPs, except the wear is abysmal. They got 10k out of the front of my W124 250D! But, if mileage is low, they're worth considering . That said, I can't talk at the moment. The C209 of mine is on Rapids up front. I can confirm in some cases, you go on a little more rapidly than expected. So much so that I have slowed a little in my driving. I should really take a leaf out of your book and change all 4, but this is meant to be a more frugal and friendlier daily for my commute while not bankrupting myself (Warwick/Coventry to Wolves has been a commute of mine for a while now around once a week, with it being twice at times). |
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