bilkob
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Good afternoon all,
it would appear that I’ve been living in a fools paradise. I run a small and very successful and busy bicycle business from my home in Teddington, West London. I’ve always used C15 vans as A, I like them, B, they’re cheap and C I can get a lot of bikes in anyhoo, on returning from dropping and collecting bikes this morning I opened a charming letter from TfL asking for £250 for not paying the Low emission zone charge. I had NO IDEA it was even applicable in my neck of the woods, which is no defence, that’s not my point. It seems that my dear little old van should cost me £100 A DAY to use where I normally use it, so I’m now expecting a flurry of fines and impending bankruptcy…….. Does anyone have any thoughts on how I can keep using a C15-engine swap?? or try to find a cheap (petrol?) Berlingo/Nemo? Help!!!!!
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Got stung with that taking a transit into london a few years back and vowed never to set foot within the m25 again an i stuck to it. On a positive note, someone on here ran a fleet of electrique citroen berlingos, possibly datman. He may be the chap to speak to
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Also, sure grizz had a petrol berlingo with windows an a mate of mine had an lpg converted nemo so there are options. Did citroen do a petrol c15? Is it possible to put an engine from a visa in one?
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fredje8v
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Citroen made a petrol c15 (1.1 tu engine if i'm right or if its a very early one a 1.0)
The diesels are xu based, so the xu petrol versions should fit without much problems i think? They are visa based, so everything that fits in a visa will fit in a c15.
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braaap
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Not so sure, but didn't grizz mention that his ex-berlingo was for sale again after his neighbor's son got another daily?
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I doubt it is classified correctly if they are asking £100 for a C15, should be £12.50 if my understanding of the wording is correct.
a hdi engine swap might get you a few years, or an electric motor.
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Not so sure, but didn't grizz mention that his ex-berlingo was for sale again after his neighbor's son got another daily? Yes, it was available, brief;y. However, Mickey’s son scrapped it. Had a load of MOT left too. Nothing wrong with it, Same as Craigs £350 Golf TDi for silly money, gone to scrap.
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I just checked mine on the gov.UK site and it only needs to have a charge for the ULEZ or the congestion charge. Mine is a DW8 motor, so if yours is an XUD perhaps the emissions aren't considered low enough. Or unless you went into the ULEZ area.
It should give you the info on the penalty charge.
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'57 Austin Cambridge A55 1800 Overdrive '50 MG Y-type (In build) '56 Standard Super 10 (In build) '03 Fiat Stilo Abarth (Wet weather runabout) '03 Citroen Berlingo HDi (Parts hauler)
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bilkob
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Bit confused now, I did check and I’m pretty sure mine isn’t eligible for even LEZ let alone ULEZ. Here’s my reg if anyone wants to just check I’m not going potty……
LV51XDP
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Yes, yours is not LEZ compliant. I suspect it is an XUD engine and that isn't a high enough Euro#.
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'57 Austin Cambridge A55 1800 Overdrive '50 MG Y-type (In build) '56 Standard Super 10 (In build) '03 Fiat Stilo Abarth (Wet weather runabout) '03 Citroen Berlingo HDi (Parts hauler)
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bilkob
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Thanks for this. Is there a changeover date for these engines or were they randomly used? Mine was first registered 24/102001
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Yours must be close to the changeover, as I have a 51 plate van for spares which is DW8 powered. I'm assuming the LEZ is based on the Euro#, but there could be a chance it's based on date of registration. Next time I am at the yard where my spares van is I'll take a note of the number and run it through the system.
Has your van got an ECU on the bulkhead behind the engine? DW8s do, but XUDs don't.
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'57 Austin Cambridge A55 1800 Overdrive '50 MG Y-type (In build) '56 Standard Super 10 (In build) '03 Fiat Stilo Abarth (Wet weather runabout) '03 Citroen Berlingo HDi (Parts hauler)
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bilkob
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OK, now I’m getting seriously confused! EVERY other C15 I can find for sale passes LEZ…….Can I really own the only rouge one or could DVLA be at fault here??
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Well that's deffo a DW8!
It is either a case of wrong side of a dateline - which seems ridiculous if it's the same emission rating - or there's a cock-up somewhere.
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'57 Austin Cambridge A55 1800 Overdrive '50 MG Y-type (In build) '56 Standard Super 10 (In build) '03 Fiat Stilo Abarth (Wet weather runabout) '03 Citroen Berlingo HDi (Parts hauler)
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bilkob
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Ok, thanks for all the replies. The more I think about it the more I think there’s been a mistake somewhere. I’ve had this van for 4-5 years now and I MUST have gone thru this sign a few times……. EVERY other C15 I’ve checked, older and newer passes LEZ…….. So, what should I do? Contact DVLA first or TfL. If it’s a cock up I’m pretty curse word off and won’t let it go……. Advice??
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Is there a section on the penalty notice about appeals/complaints? That's got to be the first point of contact.
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'57 Austin Cambridge A55 1800 Overdrive '50 MG Y-type (In build) '56 Standard Super 10 (In build) '03 Fiat Stilo Abarth (Wet weather runabout) '03 Citroen Berlingo HDi (Parts hauler)
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Bit confused now, I did check and I’m pretty sure mine isn’t eligible for even LEZ let alone ULEZ. Here’s my reg if anyone wants to just check I’m not going potty…… LV51XDP comes up as a dw8/b 70 bhp 1868cc engine, not an xud.
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slater
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Citroen C15 van LEZ/ULEZslater
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None of it makes sense to me. The LEZ doesn't apply to a little van like that (or at least didnt) and the ULEZ is only in the congestion charging zone atm.
They are expanding the ULEZ in October tho and that will include everything inside the North/South circulars so that will scupper you when that comes in.
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bilkob
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As long as I can overturn what I think is this mistake, I’m not too bothered about the ULEZ. Most of my collections are south and west of the new ULEZ zone and if I do have to go in, I’ll just add £12.50 to each job. I’m actually not anti ULEZ, I think genuine city centres could and perhaps should be CAR free, not so sure about commercial vehicles as people are earning a living from these, and servicing said city dwellers. Where I do draw the is kids being ferried to school in horrendous,huge SUVs that pretend to be clean by just passing the electric bill down the line to some poor bloody country generating it by burning fossil fuel. Buts that’s another topic entirely…… Let’s just hope my Gallic chuffer can manage a few more years
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ChasR
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Citroen C15 van LEZ/ULEZChasR
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When I've checked, the ULEZ seems to operate like this:
-Petrols - Euro 3 and later are free -Diesels - Euro 5 and later are free.
The cars in my signture seem to be ULEZ free according to the checker and also Birmingham compliant. That said, previous car of mine, and parents, including:
-'53 Alfa 147 JTD -'05 Audi 8P A3 2.0 PD TDI DSG -'56 BMW E61 535d (Euro 4) -'11 Mondeo 2.0 TDCI PowerShift (Euro 4)
All incur a ULEZ charge.
I'm a little surprised that you are saying other C15s are compliant. A friend of mine bought a Euro 5 Golf GT TDI Estate just to avoid the ULEZ and more importantly for him and his business, the Birmingham Emissions charge.
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