vulgalour
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Jul 19, 2021 17:56:38 GMT
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Unsure on which colour is going to be best to repaint the interior of these light units. They look to have originally been an off-white, a previous owner has repainted one unit in red oxide which is obviously pretty useless. Should I repaint the interiors in an off white, a bright white, a chrome, or something else? The colour of the lights comes solely from the red glass lens and I want to try and make sure there's as uniform a red light as possible.
Searches online for info about this just led to a lot of adverts for various light fixtures which wasn't particularly helpful.
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Rich
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Jul 19, 2021 19:10:19 GMT
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Assuming these are tail lamps? I’d attempt to line them with chrome tape or vinyl to boost the visual output, they were painted white as it was probably the most cost effective reflective colour at the time. If you can line them with something shinier it’ll go a long way towards rearward visibility without detracting from the aesthetics of the original fitting as you won’t be able to tell when they are assembled.
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vulgalour
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Jul 19, 2021 19:28:22 GMT
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These are indeed rear lights. I still have the good chrome paint from doing the instrument binnacle, it seemed slightly better than pure white for light output. I wasn't sure if there was a better colour for showing red than for showing white.
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Rich
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Jul 19, 2021 20:31:54 GMT
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These are indeed rear lights. I still have the good chrome paint from doing the instrument binnacle, it seemed slightly better than pure white for light output. I wasn't sure if there was a better colour for showing red than for showing white. Colour isn’t really important as long as it’s bright and reflective of the colour you are trying to reflect- white being good and chrome being best. If you can paint them the most reflective ‘chrome’ you can that will work better than white.
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Last Edit: Jul 19, 2021 20:32:21 GMT by Rich
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Jul 19, 2021 21:34:57 GMT
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Hi, I'm going to be contrary now, where silver or chrome is used it is usually a reflector bowl shape to focus the light into a beam. So my suggestion is white, a silver paint is likely to scatter the light because it has lots of tiny little reflectors that are not co-ordinated. You could test it out by doing each one different to see which best.
Colin
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Last Edit: Jul 19, 2021 21:36:49 GMT by colnerov
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vulgalour
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Jul 19, 2021 23:00:30 GMT
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Opinion seems divided right down the middle on this one (offline and on) as to whether white or silver/chrome is best. However, since the reasons for using white offered are the same as Colin explains above, I'm inclined to think it's the better option. I also like the suggestion of painting each one a different colour and then testing them side-by-side so we can get a nice definitive answer. They are incredibly easy to wire up thanks to the sprung wire clamp fitting on the back so I can test them very easily off the car. I'll be sure to share the results once I've tried it so we can see what difference, if any, there is.
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Last Edit: Jul 20, 2021 10:10:34 GMT by vulgalour
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Rich
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I’m now curious to see a side by side, as what Colin said has definitely bested me in terms of ‘reflective science’
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The other thing to consider is are you going to stick with incandescent or use LED bulbs, LED's will be brighter and use less current, an easy way to make sure you are seen better but obviously not original. Type of bulb might have an impact on the best reflector colour.
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As colnerov says, is there a reflective ‘bowl’ that you could nick from another light unit and fit? At least then you’ll have an element of focus around the bulb to increase output.
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vulgalour
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Jul 20, 2021 10:15:33 GMT
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I'm sticking to incandescent bulbs for these since that's what they were designed to work with and we'll be supplementing with some hidden high level LED lights so there's not really any need to put LED ones in the original fixtures. That also gets around any of the issues in trying to find the correct sort of LED bulb to work best in these fittings.
Not too fussed about fitting an extra reflector bowl at the moment, I imagine it must be do-able since you can get separate sidelight innards and the like. I suspect a reflector bowl might make a bit of a 'hot spot' visually rather than a nice diffuse glow, though I could only prove that suspicion by fitting a reflector bowl, of course.
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vulgalour
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Jul 23, 2021 23:31:35 GMT
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Haven't had time to wire these up yet, hoping to do that this weekend. Have had enough time to paint one of them with mirror chrome enamel. It's a marked difference between the two, as you can see above. However, this is with light shining from outside in, rather than light shining from inside out so all I can really say so far is that the chrome is much better at making the reflector parts of the light lenses work than the factory flat white. It's possibly also worth noting that the car did come to us with mismatched rear lenses, two as above, and one that had vertical ribbed glass with no in built reflector. The assumption here is that the ribbed lens is the original since the car has auxilliary reflectors screwed onto the bootlid and these non-ribbed lenses are a later replacement. We'll be using the later lenses as they're in better condition and it's no bad thing having extra reflectors on the back.
In the interest of fairness, I swapped the units side to side just to show that it's not the light direction on them making the difference, there really is a very clear visual difference between the two.
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Last Edit: Jul 23, 2021 23:32:27 GMT by vulgalour
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vulgalour
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Jul 26, 2021 17:42:55 GMT
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So much for testing this over the weekend. Installing the second section of wiring was such a chore there just wasn't time. I did get the lights screwed back onto the car to keep them safe and while it's not quite as stark a difference as in the photos above, the mirror chrome looks brighter on the car in natural light too.
Another stumble was finding out the twin filament bulbs have one filament burned out in each and they're staggered pegs on the bayonet fitting, which I don't have any of in my bulb stash. Once I've got spare time and new bulbs I'll test this again.
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