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Jul 13, 2021 14:40:25 GMT
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I need to fit front and rear seat belts to my '65 Ford Falcon hardtop. The rear needs 2, 3 point seat belts for the kids seats - this i think should be fairly straight forward as i can mount the reels to the parcel shelf. www.burtonpower.com/securon-retractable-rear-seatbelt-black-sec254bk.htmlThe front however is where i need some more input i think. There is no 'B' post, so cant mount it up high? I could possibly mount it below where the 'B' post would ordinarily be, but I'm not sure on the technicalities of safety i.e the shoulder strap will be anchored below my shoulder where normally the mount is higher up. Is this is a safety concern? I could, but don't really want to use the roof as a mount. Another option is buy some bmw convertible front seats which have the seatbelt built in - i don't really want electric seats for a start but not a deal breaker. Obviously wherever i mount the seats and seatbelts will need reinforcing. Any advice or opinions? |
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Jul 13, 2021 15:03:32 GMT
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Not suggesting you should fit them, but early classic Range Rovers had the seat incorporated totally into the seat, the reel was mounted inside the back
It’s probably too tall for your car, and if you look at the price of an early rrc seat you’ll frighten yourself, but something similar ( if it exists?) would do?
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Not suggesting you should fit them, but early classic Range Rovers had the seat incorporated totally into the seat, the reel was mounted inside the back It’s probably too tall for your car, and if you look at the price of an early rrc seat you’ll frighten yourself, but something similar ( if it exists?) would do? The style would fit in quite well but WOW had a look at how much they are and did indeed frighten myself! Anyone know if wiring in electric seats is easy peasy or not so? |
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Think it depends on what seats they are, mk1 son tried to fit leather electric seats to a discovery td5 van, and gave up because ecus and wiring behind the dash, but that was because BMW!😳 (even though they were also disco seats)
If you get something without so many ecu controllers i wouldn’t expect it to be that difficult
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alx
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My CL500 has integrated seatbelts but the seats weigh an absolute ton. Probably because they've got eleventy million motors in them to adjust for all shapes and sizes. Picture stolen off t'internet  One thing I would say is that if you're using seats with integrated belts the seat mounts need to be super secure / reinforced. Last thing you want is them peeling the floor up if you ever need to rely on them in an emergency. (Edit: Just seen you've mentioned that already) Cheers AL. |
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Last Edit: Jul 14, 2021 7:21:31 GMT by alx
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I kow Saab 9-3 convertibles have integrated seats also. These look similarly robust but maybe not as heavy as my Merc seats as they look to be manual rather than motorised adjusters. Picture also stolen off t'internet.  AL. |
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My CL500 has integrated seatbelts but the seats weigh an absolute ton. Probably because they've got eleventy million motors in them to adjust for all shapes and sizes. Stupid random fact- i found out a while ago that there are more parts in the drivers seat of a Range Rover sport than there are in an entire 1970 Range Rover Classic Price of progress? 😱 |
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My CL500 has integrated seatbelts but the seats weigh an absolute ton. Probably because they've got eleventy million motors in them to adjust for all shapes and sizes. Stupid random fact- i found out a while ago that there are more parts in the drivers seat of a Range Rover sport than there are in an entire 1970 Range Rover Classic Price of progress? 😱 Lol! What would work for me is to find seats with integrated seat belts but are not electric - so the Saab ones may be just the ticket. Thanks for that. |
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Jul 14, 2021 14:40:26 GMT
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The Saab ones are incredibly safe and comfortable too.
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Jul 14, 2021 15:05:32 GMT
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Assuming it's a 3 door you could fit them like a Morris minor.  sure it's not perfect but it's a lot better than nothing. |
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Jul 14, 2021 16:34:09 GMT
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Another possible source of seats with inbuilt seatbelts could be coach and bus seats, probably lots of minibus seats from camper conversions available
Ttfn Glenn
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Jul 14, 2021 18:45:55 GMT
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Another possible source of seats with inbuilt seatbelts could be coach and bus seats, probably lots of minibus seats from camper conversions available Ttfn Glenn Did a fair bit of research and faffing about to fit inertia belts to the outer fronts of the LR and a harness to the middle seat. Some thoughts to share. You definitely want to have the mount above shoulder height if possible - this prevents a compressive force down in the event of a crash. The MSA harness regs give some good pointers for mount requirements - thickness etc. which are probably worth looking into. A non - ideal belt is still probably better than going through the window... We have some coach seats (that fit on rail) in the shed ready to modify for the back of the LR but they would be nasty to make comfortable enough to fit in the front. For Car seats I'd be tempted to have a scrapyard trawl to find some Isofix mounts. Pretty sure there are some bolt in ones out there or get a cordless angle grinder ! All that said those Saab seats look good and meet all the requirements. James |
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Jul 14, 2021 19:16:09 GMT
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If you fit a seat with integral belt the floor needs to be strong enough to support it, in a 30g crash that seat will be seeing around 3 tons.
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Jul 14, 2021 19:55:28 GMT
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Ford focus mk2 has bolt in isofix mounts, I bought some for around 20 quid each with the fitting bolts.
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Thanks for all the replies, certainly given me stuff to think about. Good idea on using isofix mounts for the kids seats, hadnt thought of that. James, i thought id read before about the mount being above shoulder height , so thanks for confirming that. I'm going off the idea of using seats with integrated belts, firstly the look of them really isnt going to complement the look i want and secondly the floor reinforcement, it will be better to be spreading the load with more anchor points - so separate belt anchors. I think I'm leaning towards having the top anchor point like the pic of the moggy that Kevins posted.....but I'm not sure of the height of it compared to my shoulder height. The only thing i have going for me is being a short  so that may help my case. |
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Jul 15, 2021 18:57:51 GMT
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Thanks James, that helps.
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Jul 30, 2021 17:30:49 GMT
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I have been wading through this issue as well, to fit modern, comfortable seats with integrated seat belts into a Mercedes W114 coupe.
Ebay search for Cabrio/Convertible seats. Most have integrated belts. Example Saab,Mercedes, BMW.
I would love to install those beautiful, plush looking folding seats out of the luxury class Mercs, but the fears about the ECU dependence has put me right off. Not too bothered about weight, but technological nightmare.
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I fitted Mercedes seats with electric motors in my old Minor (long since stolen). Has a think.... They were R129 seats and I had to remove the forward-back sub-chassis as it wouldn't fit. Still weighed a tonne. These seats weren't CANBUS (I don't think) but were controlled by dainty switches on the doors which I didn't have and wouldn't have worked well in my setup. Anyhow the seat motors will almost certainly go forwards or backwards depending on current direction. Bypassing any CANBUS switching you can either use the reversing polarity type switches as used for manual electric aerials - Ie one switch per motor - might not be too instinctive but how often would you adjust the seat? Or you could find some switch that has multi-functions as is more instinctive. I actually used a Ford Focus mirror switch. That did up-down with an up-down movement and tilt with the horizontal movement. BUT with dainty switches you need relays and diodes as the motors use a lot of current and the dainty switches burn out. You can do it with relays - 2 relays per movement. Eg tilt would need 2 relays. Today I would use the Saab seats above as they seem much better. Digs out pics     |
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