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Dec 14, 2004 19:41:06 GMT
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It's not meant to be elitist...my apologies to anyone who feels it is. The real interest for me is when people break the rules...or 'do' what is (according to the real elitists) the 'wrong' look to the 'wrong' car. That's why when I see a Golf built as a Resto-cal (standard body, slammed and accessorised) I think it's cool and then think about the same thing done to a Datsun Cherry. It's not about following or copying it's about doing your own thing, but there's nothing wrong with it appealing to others and if that means using a few tried and tested methods then so be it. No, don't get me wrong, I wasn't suggesting that the site was elitist, just the opposite!!! I was thinking more about 'fitting in' in general, being interested in the more traditional rodding/customising side of things I'm very aware of the 'rules' The things I'm thinking of for the Skoda would be: lowered, de-badged/stickered/striped, 14" VW steels in gloss black with trim rings and a satin black bonnet. Now if I saw say, a MK1 golf with that treatment I would think 'cool'...... but would it work on the Favorit?. Because my modifying influence comes from the more traditional side, I don't wan't people to think that I THINK I've got something I havn't...... Phew, this is getting heavyyyyy!!!
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... the only injury I sustained was a bumped head when I let the seatbelt of without realizing the car was upside down and that's not really the car's fault.
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Dec 14, 2004 19:44:48 GMT
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I think that sometimes we can get too caught up in trying to put cars into catagories, I like lots of different styles, some of which I didn't know existed untill I discovered this site...... I didn't think any of us were trying to put things into categories...if things fit into them then that's what we'll call them. Are there really people out there that find Retro-Rides elitist? I hope not...that's exactly what I don't want. It's not euro-polo.com or southlondonlookescorts.co.uk, I thought that's why we liked it, that's why we are here. The cars are out there, do we have to avoid describing them? Should we ignore recognised or emerging trends? Are we supposed to ignore this? Personally I think a Hot-Rod Beetle is a stroke of genius. It's more than just a VW with red wheels surely?
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Dec 14, 2004 19:48:06 GMT
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Mod the Skoda. Definately. Do it. I've really fancied doing a nice Favvy for a long time. Slammed over euro-style 15's should do the trick, outside, with a G60 (?) under the bonnet! What model is it? We've got a '93 blackline kicking about gathering moss which I reckon would really benefit from this treatment.... It's a 94 GLXiE 'Flairline'
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... the only injury I sustained was a bumped head when I let the seatbelt of without realizing the car was upside down and that's not really the car's fault.
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Dec 14, 2004 19:50:27 GMT
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In most cases they're all 'lowered with smart wheels' anyway! ;D
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Dec 14, 2004 20:00:48 GMT
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I didn't think any of us were trying to put things into categories...if things fit into them then that's what we'll call them. Are there really people out there that find Retro-Rides elitist? I hope not...that's exactly what I don't want. It's not euro-polo.com or southlondonlookescorts.co.uk, I thought that's why we liked it, that's why we are here. The cars are out there, do we have to avoid describing them? Should we ignore recognised or emerging trends? Are we supposed to ignore this? Personally I think a Hot-Rod Beetle is a stroke of genius. It's more than just a VW with red wheels surely? Whoa there..... !! I didn't mention 'elitist', you did..... My point about categories was not that we should ignore certain styles, but that we all tend to think 'Hmmm, cal-look' or whatever when we see a certain style. Of course, sometimes we just think.... C 8-)L!!! .... and that's the best of all, IMHO.......
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... the only injury I sustained was a bumped head when I let the seatbelt of without realizing the car was upside down and that's not really the car's fault.
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Dec 14, 2004 20:01:56 GMT
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Using terms for "looks" is useful short hand, for example if I say I saw a fantastic euro-look Opel at the weekend, its easier than explaining exactly what it looked like. But like I said several posts back that sort of short hand means nothing to a lot of people. I for one don't know what a euro-look car looks like, or should look like for that matter. This sort of short hand just confuses a lot of people. Similar short hand for car parts only works for those in the know. I know that back on the good old mini-list if I posted a message about my PDWA then people would know what I was talking about. I'm not so sure that people here would have a clue what I was waffling about, so I wouldn't do it.
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Panda Matt
Part of things
Datsun Owners Club Wannabe
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Dec 14, 2004 20:12:46 GMT
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In my oh so humble opinion, there are 3 'looks' (types) of car, as there are 3 'genres' (types) of music:
Those that I like Those I don't lie Those I have not yet experienced.
Having said that... I understand most shorthand used by others, and can see the point in using them- like what hotwire says. I don't know what 'bozouku' means, but I do like the sound of it...
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Dec 14, 2004 20:59:56 GMT
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Having said that... I understand most shorthand used by others, and can see the point in using them- like what hotwire says. I don't know what 'bozouku' means, but I do like the sound of it... If I remember rightly it's Japanese and translates as something like "reckless run gang". Could be wrong though.
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Dec 14, 2004 21:00:08 GMT
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My point about categories was not that we should ignore certain styles, but that we all tend to think 'Hmmm, cal-look' or whatever when we see a certain style. Of course, sometimes we just think.... C 8-)L!!! .... and that's the best of all, IMHO....... Amen to that! Ps. devilsadvocate, you're certainly living up to your name...thanks for sparking an enjoyable debate. Incedentally I don't like things being dumbed down...no-one is trying to hide knowledge here - wnat to know what euro-look is? Just ask...or keep reading, it'll all become clear. I want to know what a PDWA is....anyone care to fill me in? HotWire: I feel a need for a glossary emarging.
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Dec 14, 2004 21:05:10 GMT
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PDWA is shorthand for Pressure Differential Warning Actuator. That little doohickey that sits on the bulkhead of a mini with dual circuit brakes and is supposed to make the warning light come on when one of your brake circuits looses pressure. Unfortunately it never seems to work. I lost the front circuit once and the warning light never came on. Not that it would have helped since the brake warning light on a mini is well outside your field of vision.
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Dec 14, 2004 21:29:45 GMT
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Where would we be if styles wern't named, we'd all be like, I like that style and that style it would just be beond confusing wouldn't it. If people get confused on what these terms mean all they have to do is ask, thats what a forums for, I personally think I'm pretty good when it comes to knowing what certain looks are, but I can see how can become confusing, I mean if you think about it, if a JDM Datsun or something was actually a european car, it could probably pass as being euro'd a lot of the styles are very similar. Then theres Bosozuku lol, which is just mental.
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Last Edit: Dec 14, 2004 21:30:30 GMT by WillCarter
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Definitions?BenzBoy
@benzboy
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Dec 14, 2004 23:01:21 GMT
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From my point of view, I sometimes feel as if I should know what styles are what, and feel a bit daft when I don't. For instance: the Cal Look is an extremely well known style, but I only recently found out what it is exactly! Then again, I'm not afraid to ask as I know there's so much to learn about the modified car scene. The same goes for music genres - generally they fit into rough categories, but every so often someone comes along that doesn't fit into any of the pidgeon holes and creates a new genre - and they are usually the people who drive the industry forwards. I think the definitions are perfectly good if used properly (i.e.: to describe a car), but when they're used to restrict what people can and cannot do to their cars I think then it gets a bit silly. Fantastic thread this, really got me thinking! Now, can anyone tell me what is meant by a "Kustom"? Because I don't know!
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Dec 14, 2004 23:06:40 GMT
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It's a 94 GLXiE 'Flairline' Cool! That's the better looking later model. Only subtle tweeks will be needed to make it P-H-A-T! As for the complex issues of "genres" and "elitism", I'm not too sure exactly where I stand on this.... I work very much on the "build the best you can on your budget philosphy...". The 318iS has set me back less than £1500 thus far and I'm very happy with that. It will never get too heavily modded as it needs to retain some practicality, but I intend to mod it to a nice level.... It will probably never fit into any "category" because I reckon that to go out-and-out to achieve one particular "style" will probably compromise the car in some other way...
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Last Edit: Dec 15, 2004 8:03:57 GMT by nickb
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Dec 15, 2004 19:28:09 GMT
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Now, can anyone tell me what is meant by a "Kustom"? Because I don't know! Try this link..... www.ukkustoms.com/intro.htmI would define a Kustom as a 40's to 60's car that has been modified to smooth out it's lines, ie trim 'shaved', overriders removed, maybe a roof chop, 'tunneled' lights/aerials...... maybe bumpers/grille from a different car..... fender skirts, lakes pipes, and of course LOWERED! The archetypal kustom was/is the 49-51 Mercury (usually refered to as a 'Merc'), because of it's already flowing lines, but the style has been applied to many different cars. Clear as mud? ;D
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... the only injury I sustained was a bumped head when I let the seatbelt of without realizing the car was upside down and that's not really the car's fault.
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Dec 15, 2004 20:02:04 GMT
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I get confused with these things too, to be honest I've never really had a car that fitted in with a recognised look, on the Imps front they're roughly rally carish when I do them, but vary in some littel aspects, so is it rally look? As well as that I've without thinking about it taken to calling cars "KGB look", ie dark coloured or preferably shiny black, not neccesarily metallic, lots of chrome, long, low, 4 doors seems to work best, basically like this Only more so, of course that's not an officially recognised look but to be honest I'm not really bothered by what designation a car has, I mean even within these different looks, there are some "Euro look" cars that are bloody gorgeous, and others that aren't as nice but are still good looking cars, prefer to judge a car on it's own merits rather than on what's expected of a car of that style, but I don't have a problem with a car that tends to fall into a particular style, I just like to see it as an individual, that's all. PS. that hot rodded Beetle is mad! I think I saw that one years ago in my Street Machine reading days!
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"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"
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I'd love to know how my Amazon would be defined ;D Externally standard, with the original faded paint (polished through to the primer in places), battered, rusted and dented panels, faded / rusty chrome etc etc. Mechanically, in perfect working order, and the engine has been swapped from a 1.8 to a 2.0 & a hotter cam fitted (already had twin SUs), so it goes well, and is a great long distance cruiser. Answers other than old banger, heap (it's already called that) or shed (that was its predecessor) please!!! ;D
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Dec 16, 2004 17:32:05 GMT
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Sounds like you've got yourself a 'rat' there..... ;D
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... the only injury I sustained was a bumped head when I let the seatbelt of without realizing the car was upside down and that's not really the car's fault.
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Sounds like you've got yourself a 'rat' there..... ;D Thanks - that's what I thought too ;D, but I got the impression that a proper 'rat' had to be lowered, and possibly have a set of nice wheels??? My Amazon is on the original type rims as it lives out in the street in south London, and at factory ride height - the large bore exhaust is already fixed as high as it can go (with BFH 'adjustments' to part of the floorpan to give clearance) as when first fitted, it was getting knocked on speed bumps, so it can't really be lowered that much, if at all. Still, I like it how it is - nicely patinated and it has much sentimental value as it's been in the family for nearly 11 years
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Dec 17, 2004 15:38:18 GMT
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From the aircooled Vdub scene: Resto-Cal: Cal-Look/Old Skool Rat Look I think you could translate these "styles" to other makes, i.e. 100% stock restoration with the addition of period accessories and slammed suspension is reminiscent of "Resto-Cal" in the VW world? Alex
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Dec 17, 2004 15:53:17 GMT
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Hey AmazonSprite, I reckon that you've got a 'sleeper'. Looks stock, even tatty, but has more poke than expected.
Mine's just an in progress mess!!
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Peugeot 307sw - Suzuki SV650S - MX5.
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