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Mar 25, 2021 21:37:15 GMT
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Sorry, I missed that part of your previous post and jumped straight to the link. That was a point I intended to make earlier; where is the definition of a belt of incorrect type? Similarly I've read on many forums and information sites that the twist buckle doesn't carry the proper approval, as blackpop says, but I can't actually find that written on any official document. Assume it must be somewhere, and assume it's correct by way of Schroth making a point of designing their "road legal" harness to have a red push buckle and be ECE approved.
My harnesses are 5 point, tempting to remove two belts and see what they say. He'd probably give it another Google and find one of these posts about the buckle as evidence.
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Mar 25, 2021 21:39:45 GMT
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Sorry to divert the conversation slightly but does anyone know the answer to my 'belt around seat' question? If needed I'll swap the seat over tomorrow and have it retested on Saturday before appealing. Thank you for confirming, that was my understanding. Having just put it all back, due to the design of the OEM seat belt stalk I can't route the belt through the inboard hole of the seat to clip it into the retainer, so it has to sit outside. Do we know how this stands up to the MOT regs? Can always put the standard seat back in but far more of a faff.
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Mar 25, 2021 21:45:23 GMT
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Proton Jumbuck-deceased :-( 2005 Kia Sorento the parts hauling heap V8 Humber Hawk 1948 Standard12 pickup 1953 Pop build (wifey's BIVA build).
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Mar 25, 2021 21:58:33 GMT
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Thank you. This makes a lot of sense of the brief version and specifies the requirement of harnesses to be BS or E approved. So not much wiggle room there. Would still like to see if the tester can pick that out!
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Rich
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Mar 25, 2021 22:26:53 GMT
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Already posted on page one. Better to use the official government linked one, the one in the link you shared is possibly old data.
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Rich
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Mar 25, 2021 22:29:08 GMT
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Sorry, I missed that part of your previous post and jumped straight to the link. That was a point I intended to make earlier; where is the definition of a belt of incorrect type? You posted it as a chart from the section 7 addendum link.
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fraudownersclub
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Don’t caterhams have harnesses? And isn’t there a section for extensively modified ?
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#fraudownersclub #richartsltd
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fraudownersclub
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#fraudownersclub #richartsltd
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Don’t caterhams have harnesses?   And isn’t there a section for extensively modified ? And Renault Mégane R26, some Porsche models and Lotus.
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jmsheahan
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Mar 26, 2021 12:52:46 GMT
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Do we know how this stands up to the MOT regs? You should be ok with that. My Golf went through with OEM 3 point seatbelt and bucket seats in the same config as your picture.
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Mar 26, 2021 17:11:44 GMT
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mk2cossie
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Mar 26, 2021 17:27:29 GMT
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And yet again, where does it state in the failure criteria for seat belt checks in section 7 about BS and E markings? At the end of the day, the OP had a MOT test done by a tester on a bad day (or with little knowledge of such things) and armed with Google which IS NOT the MOT testing manual
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Mar 26, 2021 17:57:19 GMT
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Surely this can't be THE manual? There's hardly anything to it. If it is, then yes, what part of that have I failed? Arguably I don't meet the criteria of D in the table in appendix C, but then neither should the fancy Schroth harnesses nor any road legal 4 point harnesses or above as they are not a "3 point belt, lap belt or disabled person's belt"
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Rich
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Mar 26, 2021 18:46:20 GMT
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Surely this can't be THE manual? There's hardly anything to it. If it is, then yes, what part of that have I failed? Arguably I don't meet the criteria of D in the table in appendix C, but then neither should the fancy Schroth harnesses nor any road legal 4 point harnesses or above as they are not a "3 point belt, lap belt or disabled person's belt" Again, I posted the manual on page one. That is indeed the manual.
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Mar 26, 2021 19:46:48 GMT
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Not being knowledgable on MOT regs I'd print off the relative section and go back annd make a complaint. Report the tester to VOSA.
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mk2cossie
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Mar 26, 2021 19:55:21 GMT
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Not being knowledgable on MOT regs I'd print off the relative section and go back annd make a complaint. Report the tester to VOSA. MOT and IVA regs are so far apart, the goal posts aren't even in the same county! Despite the fact it is all controlled by DVSA
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Mar 26, 2021 20:51:18 GMT
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Surely this can't be THE manual? There's hardly anything to it. If it is, then yes, what part of that have I failed? Arguably I don't meet the criteria of D in the table in appendix C, but then neither should the fancy Schroth harnesses nor any road legal 4 point harnesses or above as they are not a "3 point belt, lap belt or disabled person's belt" Again, I posted the manual on page one. That is indeed the manual. Sorry. Appreciate you've said that a few times but I'm using Tapatalk so don't have a page 1 as such, and it seems to mix up the posts, so I had difficulty back tracking. Just find it odd that's its gone from a 200 page manual with a fair bit of detail to that.
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Mar 26, 2021 21:12:47 GMT
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Again, I posted the manual on page one. That is indeed the manual. Sorry. Appreciate you've said that a few times but I'm using Tapatalk so don't have a page 1 as such, and it seems to mix up the posts, so I had difficulty back tracking. Just find it odd that's its gone from a 200 page manual with a fair bit of detail to that. No worries. The manual does appear to have slimmed down but I think quite a bit of the specific testing details have been pulled into appendixes that can be cross checked with links to take the manual itself down to 'easier reading'. It's always best to go straight to the .gov source, as it's literally the most up to date version, same as the actual test manual being all online these days. I hope you get the issue sorted. The issue with the test centre that is, this harness business is ridiculous to say the least.
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Mar 26, 2021 22:24:05 GMT
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I feel there's a better solution here. Find a more sensible MOT tester! I've had harnesses with buckets and buckets with a 3 point belt. Never even been mentioned as being an issue.
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Last Edit: Mar 26, 2021 22:24:51 GMT by b3nson
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Mar 26, 2021 22:40:05 GMT
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Surely this can't be THE manual? There's hardly anything to it. If it is, then yes, what part of that have I failed? Arguably I don't meet the criteria of D in the table in appendix C, but then neither should the fancy Schroth harnesses nor any road legal 4 point harnesses or above as they are not a "3 point belt, lap belt or disabled person's belt" The manual has gone from what I call the old Masonic version where there was a lot of unwritten definitions to a version that lays everything out for us so we don't have to be as subjective. This is due to everything being done online including our training which used to be classroom based. I've been a tester for 15/16 years and from what I read of your first post your car shouldn't have failed, saying that I haven't seen it and what you say may bear no resemblance to what the tester saw.
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