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Hi folks, I just realized I haven't posted on this forum for about 13 years! Hi The reason for my re-emergence: I've been offered a BMW 2002 for a very reasonable price. I've wanted one of these since I started driving 17 years ago - and that was solidified when I got a ride around the Nurburgring in one many years ago. Finally, it seems like it might happen. The car in question has been sat for about four years and is in essence a "faded restoration". It has been painted, had a bunch of work done and then sat around gathering dust, rust and the rest. I had a cursory look at it today and am going back tomorrow to give it a proper once-over and potentially make a deal on it. But I'd like to go in with eyes wider open! My main query is with the engine. See here: It's not a Tii model from what I can tell. I'm assuming it's a 1.6? Anything in particular I should know about this engine. I'm going to attempt to turn it by hand tomorrow and if that goes well then I'll at least try and get it to run at some point. I'm of course aware that it'll likely need a rebuild! Of course, rust is the main issue I'm concerned about. Here's a couple of shots of the car in all its faded glory: Thoughts? What should I look for? Should I run a mile? Thanks!
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Ben A.
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BMW 2002 - anyone had one?fr€$h&m1nt¥
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I don't know anything technical about 2002s at all but all I do know is that IMHO they're one of the best looking "non supercar" cars ever made.
I guess it depends on how much it is compared to 2002s in perfect condition but personally if it was an affordable price and perfect ones are out of your budget I'd buy it and gradually get it up to spec.
Even if the engine has to go completely I'm sure the right people can put a modern BMW 6 cylinder in there and any bodywork could be custom patched. I don't know your skillset obviously and the balance of DIY work versus professional labour costs and how they balance out.
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Mar 24, 2021 13:42:51 GMT
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pretty sure the m10 is pretty bullet proof available in a few capacities and easily tuned with cam carb exhaust combo’s
grab it while you can afford it the price of these has gone up and up the past few years
see how much these go for on bring a trailer .(usa auction site )shocking
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Last Edit: Mar 24, 2021 17:40:11 GMT by redratbike
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BMW 2002 - anyone had one?ballbagbagins
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Mar 24, 2021 14:39:23 GMT
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There is a 2002 in the readers rides section. Maybe contact the owner for his thoughts and experiences?
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shin2chin
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Mar 24, 2021 16:38:14 GMT
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Rust will be the biggest issue. As said the M10 is a solid engine which was used up to E30's. I'd love one, grab it while you can.
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1977 PORSCHE 2.0na 924 1974 VW Beetle 1600
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andyborris
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Have a good dig around in the boot for rust, esp. around the shock mounts.
Quality fasteners were used on these cars, which don't really seize, so no problems with chocolate nuts & bolts snapping!
And I guess it depends on the price of the car and how much you want it, I think most of the bits to restore one are available, just depends how deep your pockets are with BMW prices!
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Mar 25, 2021 14:04:29 GMT
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I had one a few years ago, before they got very expensive. Mechanically they are pretty straightforward, parts are easy to get and much of the mechanical bits carried over to the 3 Series cars (although they are now getting harder to find). Engines came in 1600 and 2000 I think from memory (mine was a 2.0). This was it..... Rust was the biggest problem - particularly in the boot - the tops of the rear shock towers were completely rotten on mine when I sold it. On the plus side - prices are rising fast, so if you can get it for anything close to a sensible amount I'd snap it up if I were you. They drive well, look fabulous and are easy to make go sideways when you want them too. Interior is pretty minimalistic and functional, but a nice place to be.
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Currently driving a 1972 BMW 1602 as my daily. Don't ask about previous cars - there have been way too many and I stopped counting at 160!
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duncanmartin
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BMW 2002 - anyone had one?duncanmartin
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Mar 25, 2021 16:22:17 GMT
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I know very little about the 2002, but I've seen the way the prices are going, and if you've always wanted one and this looks pretty solid and you can afford it, then it has to be worth a shot before they appreciate out of reach. Good luck...
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Mar 25, 2021 22:25:26 GMT
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Thanks folks, I appreciate the insight. The price is spot on and I currently have time and space so I'm going to gamble on this one! Watch this space
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Ben A.
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ChasR
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BMW 2002 - anyone had one?ChasR
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Mar 25, 2021 23:18:04 GMT
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As said, rust is the main enemy with these.
As for the engine sizes, it's easy to keep track.
1602 with earlier cars being a 1600/2 = 1.6 1802 = 1.8 2002 = 2.0
Some 2.0s were pokier than others, and I'm not referring to the Tii or Turbo here either, so it may be worth looking into the model year outputs, but TBH, condition would be my main focus.
The engines are decent. That said, I'd want to check that it turns over OK.
Usual old car issues will apply. I'd check the steering 'box for play. Sure, they shouldn't be as good as a rack car, but if there is loads of slop, I'd bank on needing to refurb the 'box, albeit you may get away with adjusting it, but this needs to be done with care, as the box can be damaged by going too tight.
You can convert these to a 5 speed, using E30 parts, and possibly a custom prop (I'm not sure on the prop TBH!).
It's a car I've wanted for a while. However, the prices are mental for these now! It seems to get a nice one from the US, it's around £10k delivered, and UK ones seem to start at £14k+!
Spares seem to be reasonable on these too.
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Last Edit: Mar 25, 2021 23:19:16 GMT by ChasR
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andyborris
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Another common fault is the clutch hose furring up, means the clutch won't release. Brought a couple like this for peanuts (£25!) back in the day when they were still cheap, new clutch hose and it's all good.
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Mar 27, 2021 23:35:22 GMT
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Sadly, the sale fell through at the last moment. Was there, cash in hand, paperwork fouled it up.
Oh well, back to the drawing board. Thanks for the advice everyone!
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Ben A.
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I had a 1802. Rust in the booth is already mentioned. My one was rusty in the front guards, and a little in the doors and floor. We replaced the 1.8 motor with a 2.0 4 cylinder out of an early 320. It make a fair difference and was an easy conversion.
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