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Mar 12, 2021 18:32:47 GMT
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The 2008 was my first and only. I can learn from experience if the experience is severe enough. I can’t sleep in a moving car and I can’t do two nights without sleep. The 10CR on the other hand, I find oddly addictive.
So with the RBRR I marshal instead, towards the end, so I see everyone staggering about with their eyes pointing in different directions and it reminds me why I’m not doing it.
Nick
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1967 Triumph Vitesse convertible (old friend) 1996 Audi A6 2.5 TDI Avant (still durability testing) 1972 GT6 Mk3 (Restored after loong rest & getting the hang of being a car again)
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ferny
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Mar 12, 2021 19:49:15 GMT
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😆
Hopefully I'll get to see you this year as last time I was 15 miles out of Bude waiting for recovery instead. The UJ was bad enough that it took two days to take apart and the motor vehicle section at work use it as a teaching aid... it only started making a noise after Lands End. 😔
I promised myself that if I ever miss out on an entry or had to retire I'd never enter again, but I couldn't resist.
The 10CR was great when I did it, but felt like two RBRR together and now it clashes with work I can't do it at all. I did it in 2009 and 2011, which was when it was rather crazy, especially the final night! I hear it's more sensible now?
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Mar 12, 2021 19:54:53 GMT
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mc I guess we should be grateful he's not into nuclear physics! I'm afraid some people should cut their tools in half so they fit in the bin better then sit in the middle of an empty space next to a fire extinguisher (sitting on their hands for good measure).
I'm afraid as mentioned above it only takes one person like this causing a major incident and everyone gets penalized, it does still amaze me that with all the rules and regulations we have I can still work on my own car and I'm sure there will be plenty of people out there who would love for that to be stopped so we all have to use "professionals"
I can't work on my gas boiler.
I can't rewire my house.
I can rebuild the brakes on my car and go hooning down the M5 at 70mph.
The other thing that some people don't realize is that if they want to risk their lives in a death trap or by driving like a (insert appropriate cuss word here) then that is up to them but its the other people on the road and pavements who can and very often do suffer and they didn't make that choice.
Have an S-Type Jag and a much younger me as further penance.
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Darkspeed
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Mar 12, 2021 20:27:17 GMT
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What legislation says that you cannot work on the gas water or the electrics in you own home?
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Mar 12, 2021 21:53:40 GMT
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Hey I'd love to read a more detailed thread on both car and road trips - can you point me in the right direction please Hmm, tricky one. Thing is I’ve had it coming up 33 years and the story is a bit scattered. Perhaps I’ll put a retrospective build thread up on here to try and tie it all together. The road trips though..... that would be a book. It’s done just under 90k with me since 1989 and somewhere between 2/3 and 3/4 of that covered in mainland Europe. Thanks for the interest 🙂 Nick When does your book come out? Sounds like an interesting read.
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Mar 12, 2021 22:06:31 GMT
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What legislation says that you cannot work on the gas water or the electrics in you own home? Part P of the building regulations for electrical work and the gas safety (installation and use) regulations for gas. There is nothing that i'm aware of that stops you working on water systems with the possible exception of unvented cylinders (Part G of the building regulations). There are some things you can do under part P as a homeowner and some you can't and of course there is always the argument around the GSIUR where it says something like only competant people can work on gas and the only registered people can charge to work on gas. The point I was making is that other things of equal or less danger are regulated however, working on cars is currently not.
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Mar 12, 2021 22:13:44 GMT
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I thought you could do all your own wiring in you house but it had to be signed off by a qualified electrician to get a safety cert?
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Mar 12, 2021 22:51:04 GMT
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I thought you could do all your own wiring in you house but it had to be signed off by a qualified electrician to get a safety cert? You could get building control to inspect cable tracing of cables that are not visible, and you could produce an electrical installation certificate. Building control should then sign it off* Don’t need to use a spark at all! *I have helped people produce EICs having done no work on the installation, and building control have signed it off (Mostly because I have the relevant calibrated test equipment and know how to complete the certificate, but nothing to stop you buying your own testers (would be a few hundred quid plus another 50 for a calibration)) Photos of cool old cars (which interestingly (maybe only to me ) is taken where I spent the first year of my apprenticeship, at an off-site training centre
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Mar 12, 2021 23:08:59 GMT
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I thought you could do all your own wiring in you house but it had to be signed off by a qualified electrician to get a safety cert? That’s my take on it too, and what I do. Having a couple of mates who are qualified sparkies helps. I have uncovered some scary stuff done by the “professionals” in the process too, some of it recent enough to have certificates which aren’t worth the paper they are printed on. Road trips were in short supply last year, but we did manage to get up to the Peaks. The weather was kind and nearly all of the 600ish miles were covered were done with the roof down. Bonus! If I can work out how to post a pic from my mobile.... there’ll be a pic of a slightly scrofulous Vitesse at Stanage Edge..... Nick Bah..... failed. Edited to add from PC!
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Last Edit: Mar 12, 2021 23:29:50 GMT by vitesseefi
1967 Triumph Vitesse convertible (old friend) 1996 Audi A6 2.5 TDI Avant (still durability testing) 1972 GT6 Mk3 (Restored after loong rest & getting the hang of being a car again)
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Mar 12, 2021 23:17:05 GMT
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Coming back to the thread! I think that Spitfire is really cool* I think 5G is responsible for Covid I also think that there are microchips in the Covid jab The democrats stole the US election while the Republicans weren't looking Elvis is still alive and living in an old peoples home in Alaska Adding a cone filter to any car will increase horsepower by 200% * This is in fact all complete bollurx. That thing is an accident waiting to happen and should be clubbed to death like a Canadian seal cub.
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Last Edit: Mar 12, 2021 23:17:45 GMT by duggers
Needs a bigger hammer mate.......
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Mar 12, 2021 23:39:06 GMT
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Hmmm.... maybe we could get the Canadians to club the bloody car to death instead of the seal pups..... Hmm, tricky one. Thing is I’ve had it coming up 33 years and the story is a bit scattered. Perhaps I’ll put a retrospective build thread up on here to try and tie it all together. The road trips though..... that would be a book. It’s done just under 90k with me since 1989 and somewhere between 2/3 and 3/4 of that covered in mainland Europe. Thanks for the interest 🙂 Nick When does your book come out? Sounds like an interesting read. Ah.... there's a huge rabbit hole here as my father liked a road trip and as we lived all over Africa when I was a kid, he got to indulge himself (and us) with a bit of exploration from time to time. Some of them fairly epic and usually with deeply unsuitable vehicles. You'd be surprised at the abilities of Mk 1 and Mk3 Cortinas for example, though they both suffered mightily. Peugeot 404 wagon was a huge improvement and very capable. Sadly there are very few pics from those days. Nick
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1967 Triumph Vitesse convertible (old friend) 1996 Audi A6 2.5 TDI Avant (still durability testing) 1972 GT6 Mk3 (Restored after loong rest & getting the hang of being a car again)
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Darkspeed
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What legislation says that you cannot work on the gas water or the electrics in you own home? Part P of the building regulations for electrical work and the gas safety (installation and use) regulations for gas. There is nothing that i'm aware of that stops you working on water systems with the possible exception of unvented cylinders (Part G of the building regulations). There are some things you can do under part P as a homeowner and some you can't and of course there is always the argument around the GSIUR where it says something like only competant people can work on gas and the only registered people can charge to work on gas. The point I was making is that other things of equal or less danger are regulated however, working on cars is currently not. The facts are that there is nothing illegal about working on Gas Electric Water the building structure decorating gardening painting etc. It’s all the same. Sorry for the divert but I just don’t like to see things stated as facts when they are not. I am no way suggesting that everyone goes servicing their boilers or fitting consumer units, but same as fixing your car brakes there is nothing to stop you. (No pun intended) Which is why DIY sheds do not have to ask for any proof when you guy buy any of it.
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Mar 13, 2021 10:10:17 GMT
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Part P of the building regulations for electrical work and the gas safety (installation and use) regulations for gas. There is nothing that i'm aware of that stops you working on water systems with the possible exception of unvented cylinders (Part G of the building regulations). There are some things you can do under part P as a homeowner and some you can't and of course there is always the argument around the GSIUR where it says something like only competant people can work on gas and the only registered people can charge to work on gas. The point I was making is that other things of equal or less danger are regulated however, working on cars is currently not. The facts are that there is nothing illegal about working on Gas Electric Water the building structure decorating gardening painting etc. It’s all the same. Sorry for the divert but I just don’t like to see things stated as facts when they are not. I am no way suggesting that everyone goes servicing their boilers or fitting consumer units, but same as fixing your car brakes there is nothing to stop you. (No pun intended) Which is why DIY sheds do not have to ask for any proof when you guy buy any of it. I quite agree that things should not be stated as facts when they are not so let me just correct you. Domestic electrical installations fall under part P of the building regulations, these cover things you can do and things you can't do. A whole house rewire as stated above would fall under part P and I can't just go and do that without either finding a friendly electrician to test and sign for it (which they shouldn't do although I appreciate a lot do) or going to building control and asking them to inspect it and produce the certificate. Compliance with the building regulations is a legal requirement and if you fail to comply with this you have committed an offence, you will more than likely get away with it as its not heavily policed but my point above was that there are regulations in place which (in theory) prevent me rewiring my house without some form of official involvement but working on cars is not the same. Moving onto water, yes most water is not covered by any specific legal requirements but unvented cylinders fall under part G of the building regulations and should only be installed by an approved person (if you have ever seen the damage an unvented cylinder causes if it explodes you will see why this is controlled). Once again compliance with the building regulations is a legal requirement. Now gas is the slightly tenuous one, the GSIUR states that: 52 For the purposes of GSIUR, ‘work’ includes do-it-yourself activities, work
undertaken as a favour for friends and relatives, and work for which there is no
expectation of reward or gain, eg voluntary activity for charities. This means that
anyone carrying out such work must have the necessary competence, as required
by regulation 3(1). However, membership of an HSE-approved class of persons
(under regulation 3(3)) is required only by businesses carrying out gas-fitting work.and 3(1) states 83 Anyone who does work on a gas fitting or gas storage vessel must be
competent to do so (whether or not they are required to be a member of an
approved class of persons). Therefore, do-it-yourself gas engineers and those
performing favours for friends and relatives all need to have the required
competence. The level and range of competence should match the full extent of
work done, but needs only to be sufficient for and relevant to that work.Now the issue of competency is a difficult one as if you do the work and its fine you can argue you were competent and if you do and its not then you aren't even if you have trained for it but none the less there are rules that in theory police this. So there are three items above the under law restrict our ability to do certain works on our properties, the reality is that no one is policing this so you can do what you like and it will only be an issue if something goes wrong but the point I was trying to make is that working on your own car is generally mostly free of rules and regulations and its when someone in our community does something wrong that it comes to media attention and legislation is put in place to restrict what we do. The reason that DIY sheds can sell items where their installation may in theory be controlled is that there is no law that prevents you buying these items for a professional installer to install and in some cases the items you buy can be installed by a normal householder in certain circumstances/locations whereas in others its controlled. For example I can buy and install new lights and wiring in my living room but I cant do the same in my bathroom as its a special location without some form of approval under part P. Anyway we are way off topic here but my point stands, there a rules that cover doing certain fairly minor things on your house but I can upgrade the brakes, steering and suspension on my car and nothing is stopping me, i don't need any certificates of competence or to have anything checked by an independant engineer. The MOT test just checks that it basically works and meets the (very low) minimum standards. Have a VW camper as further penance .
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ferny
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Mar 13, 2021 10:29:23 GMT
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Close. I'm not 100% on electric, but with gas you can do any work outlined as safe to do so in the manufacturers instructions. Other private gas work can only be done by a competent person. If you are being paid for it then you need to be part of a competent person scheme. In Scotland you can declare yourself competent for your own domestic work for electricity, but I don't know about gas. How do you prove competence without being part of the scheme which requires formal training to join? If you're using the fact that no-one has been hurt, then the car originally used in the first post must also be completely safe as that hasn't hurt anyone either. Bringing this back on topic! 😂 By the way, changes to mains connections are also notifiable. But no-one ever contacts their water authority to say they've just changed their kitchen tap. Part of being competent is knowing what you don't know and understanding the consequences of not addressing those gaps. There are too many YouTube videos watering down knowledge and it's worse than beer sponsored pub plans of old. When I teach, I assume my students will forget 70% of what I tell them the first time, they just don't realise that until I show it to them. With YouTube, people watch one video made by someone without proper training and assume it's an instructional video. Then they try to replicate it and miss out even more than the first guy did. They do this because none of them know any better. We're all guilty of this to some extent - we've all had a gut feeling and been satisfied we're correct when we find the first thing which might confirm so. Human nature is to be 'energy efficient'. I think the thread title sums up my thoughts, but I'd add - who has decided you "can" do something? Oh, and here are some 10CR snaps from 2011 when I did it with a friend in their car. We made it cool, Top Gear copied us! 😂 * edit - I was typing what the above post was also being made!
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Mar 13, 2021 11:05:29 GMT
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For hhe car, as far as the registration legalities go I really don't care, there are plenty of great cars on here that sail close to the wind on that one.
As for the principle of what he's done everyone to his own.
The only real issue is safety, welds are a difficult one to call, I durability test vehicles for a living, and have seen many cases of perfectly good looking welds failing and rough looking ones being fine when sectioned, unfortnatelly the only real way to be sure is to cut them up. Definitely not convinced about slotted wheel bolt holes though!
On the domestic front I still do it all, I have not been impressed by the few bits of professional work we have had done and would rather take the time to do it properly (replace whole lengths of cable rather than add junction boxes, clip gas pipes rather than leave them resting on the soil under the floor boards etc).
I am also not about to pay someone 100 notes to spend 5 minutes changing a boiler fan every 3 years!
I heard an interesting fact a few years ago, only half of the boilers sold are regitered on the various gas safe systemsfor, you hear oc very few cases going wrong so most must be reasonably safe.
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Mar 13, 2021 12:21:13 GMT
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As I said above, part P is the building regulation to ensure that the work is correctly designed and installed, which normally means BS7671 wiring regulations. Most domestic sparkys will be signed up to a competent persons scheme; NICEIC, Napit etc. But it’s not a requirement. If you aren’t with a competent person scheme then building control can sign the work off. This is the reason most of us are signed up, as that means we don’t have to wait around for the building inspector. And when I asked, the regulatory bodies take a dim view on sparkys signing off other people’s work. But an EIC has different boxes for designer, installer and inspector. So there is nothing wrong with inspecting someone else’s work and them signing it off themselves with building control (but building control would normally proof of wiring routes, so would need to be involved from the start. Everyone thinks it’s a closed shop, it isn’t, building control normally will try to work with you. The worst case is that on completion they’d want a regularisation, where they’ll assign one of their electricians to inspect the installation and draw a line under it. Assuming it’s all been done correctly they wouldn’t want it ripped out, the messiest bit may be tracing cables in the zones. Anyway, achingly cool van for penance....
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Rich
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Mar 13, 2021 14:53:58 GMT
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Guys, this thread is wandering dangerously close to being absolutely nothing about cool or interesting old cars again..
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ferny
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Mar 13, 2021 15:02:55 GMT
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Mar 13, 2021 16:44:14 GMT
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Guys, this thread is wandering dangerously close to being absolutely nothing about cool or interesting old cars again.. Sorry rich , have a few from my collection:- MK2 Sprite under rebuilt around 2001 Completed around 2002 and I still have it. Not been on the road since 2018 though :-( Ferrari Dino replica with me fitting a Fiat Tipo 16V engine into it complete with injection system. Painted, retrimed and finished (sold around 2009). Frogeye sprite at the shot blasters around 2008 Nearly completed finished in 2008 and sold in 2014 :-( Isle of Wight Frogeye Sprite circa 2002, sold around 2004 :-( Mini Pickup with 1275 MG Metro engine and 8.4" Mini disc breaks. Sold around 2002 :-( Hope that makes up for the non retro thread diversion :-)
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bstardchild
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Mar 13, 2021 16:48:37 GMT
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Nearly completed finished in 2008 and sold in 2014 :-( Everytime I see a picture of one of those I think "has there ever been a happier car?"
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