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Feb 21, 2021 11:45:50 GMT
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I have no view on this but I have noticed recently that more mid to late' noughties' cars are appearing on the site. Now I'm not saying what's being put up isn't of interest but the for sale section only does up to 2001 (Y reg),, so are there rules to this or is it a case of if its interesting it can go on readers rides but can't be sold on here? I think we had a thread about modding a 2016 Citroen on here, interest yes, retro definitely not , so any rules or just go with flow and when the mods bin your post you know it doesn't fit.
I'm not trying to stir up a load of abuse or opinion I just genuinely want to get some clarity. Have a retro pic as my penance
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Last Edit: Feb 21, 2021 11:46:13 GMT by duggers
Needs a bigger hammer mate.......
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Feb 21, 2021 11:56:39 GMT
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Last Edit: Feb 21, 2021 12:00:51 GMT by ferny
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Feb 21, 2021 12:04:03 GMT
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I might have wondered if I was feeling paranoid if you hadn’t mentioned my car specifically. The rules are related to classifieds only, if any one wants to post details of their modern in readers rides they can, interesting or not, just need to be prepared for the thread to be ignored but not necessarily hated on. My cactus build is also part of my as retro as it gets 1985 Honda acty so that will take over my thread again as soon as it takes priority when lockdowns are over and shows or even meets start up again. The title clearly says 2016 citroen cactus so feel free not to click in their if modern stuff offends you.
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Feb 21, 2021 15:48:30 GMT
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It is interesting, I’ve got a thread on my work van. A 1997 Astravan, people on the street think it’s cool and interesting, but car people (especially classic car people) seem to be a bit marmite with it. Those that remember them from the olden days, or younger people like it. It’s not a classic, I don’t claim it’s a classic but the thought that I might seems to offend some people most of all.
In reality it’s not that interesting a vehicle, it’s not particularly exciting to drive (but I enjoy it more than the modern vehicles it replaced), it’s new enough to not stand out, and was bought as new enough to spend a long time in without the issues that come with older stuff. But regardless it is different.
Also have a Fugitive kit car, it’s also marmite and also upsets classic types on occasion, I think it definitely fits the bill for unusual retro vehicle on here. but currently it’s hard to justify working on it if I’m following lockdown rules (it went to the dyno last year and is hopefully due back soon, but it’s there because it’s not essential so I’d rather he spent the time fixing a nurses car than tuning mine)
The Astra is my work van, and though not as exciting it’s with me every day, and as a work vehicle, it needs to be fixed. I had a similar thought earlier where it felt rather indulgent updating the thread with not much to say. But I guess posting keeps the forum active, and to an extent if people are adding to build threads with stuff that may not tick everyone’s box, those people can ignore the thread, but it does feel that some of those threads are the only place stuff is going on at times, I guess maybe for similar reasons (?)
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Feb 21, 2021 17:10:21 GMT
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RR is a broad church, and the overall focus is towards the "retro" vibe, embracing "interesting" for me is also a huge part of what makes the site what it is.
If there are threads that feel distant to your tastes, scroll on by, but equally diverse ideas may help ignite ideass to carry over to a retro build.
"Everything has potential" and its fascinating to see how RR members approach building a modern daily drive of what can be relatively mundane motors.
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2014 - Audi A6 Avant 3.0Tdi Quattro 1958 - Chevrolet Apache Panel Truck 1959 - Plymouth Custom Suburban 1952 - Chevrolet 2dr Hardtop 1985 - Ford Econoline E350 Quadravan 2009 - Ovlov V70 2.5T 1970 - Cortina Mk2 Estate 2007 - Fiat Ducato LWB 120Multijet 2014 - Honda Civic 2.2 CTDi ES
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Feb 21, 2021 18:38:29 GMT
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As time goes on, the community will need to have a bit of a rolling, nay elastic attitude to dates, as if you don't then eventually you'll limit the pool of 'acceptable' cars and potential forum members to such an extent that the community will shrink. It's all well and good watching other people having fun but if you can't 'buy in' in some way, it's not accessible and you'll lose interest.
Not everyone can afford 70s or 80s car prices now, they've gone nuts in recent years, so these people are venturing into 00s stuff, which is already 15-20 years old anyway. Subjectively, most to me isn't retro or interesting at all but that's just my age, being objective about it then I'd say it's reasonable as they are 'retro' to younger members.
My E46 is a 2001, so squeaks in under 'accepted rules' but it's a design that was released in 1997 and began its design gestation in 1993, so is firmly in the retro camp, as are E46s built well into the 00s when production ended in 2006.
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Feb 21, 2021 19:15:24 GMT
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So this is one of ours I’m not going to start saying it is or ain’t retro but I’m here it’s mine I’ll share it with others and the build thread attracted many comments and followers Personally my interest in late 90s early noughties stuff is huge and I follow all these types of cars here now, I’m 52 now but older stuff is way out of my budget and There’s a world of affordable modern classics out there for sensible money Just my humble opinion
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Last Edit: Feb 21, 2021 19:18:25 GMT by Mercdan68
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Feb 21, 2021 19:41:25 GMT
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When I joined the forum circa 15 years ago, I had a 70s car but some of the more interesting builds were of the 80s cars that at the time were more affordable projects and were only around 15 or so years old. 90s stuff was generally not entertained as too new. As the years went on 90s became throughly acceptable and at some point (maybe 10 years ago??) the 2000 cut off was put in. Nowadays I'm finding that even a lot of 90s stuff is getting out of cheap fun project territory (see the £50k crx in the ebay thread!) and wonder if the cut off needs to go up to say 2005 before all those cars get too expensive too!
I've always seen this as a place for the everyman having a go, rather than the collector and so I think it keeps things interesting to see projects we could all afford.
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Last Edit: Feb 21, 2021 19:43:01 GMT by Adambt
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Feb 21, 2021 19:41:49 GMT
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I'm guessing two of my cars fall into this camp, with one more than the other, at least from the interesting front. I very nearly didn't put on one of them, as even I wondered if it was right for this place. But, a few folks said why not, on and off the forum, without me suggesting it at first. So I did. If the attention goes from it, it'll whittle down the board. But it does seem folks are interested in it. They're not seen anymore, and they have a cult status now, with numbers dwindling. Oddly, it's the one car, which I've had alot of people asking me "Let me know when you are done with it, I'll buy it" "I want a drive of it ; You may not get it back" All for a car with a curse word badge! I only bought it as I fancied something to tinker with, relive some times of a previous car, and it was cheap and in my twisted mind, great value compared to alot of cars out there. The knowledge I had 10 years ago has come in handy for it, and I'm learning more. That's what makes the projects fun IME . As time goes on, the community will need to have a bit of a rolling, nay elastic attitude to dates, as if you don't then eventually you'll limit the pool of 'acceptable' cars and potential forum members to such an extent that the community will shrink. It's all well and good watching other people having fun but if you can't 'buy in' in some way, it's not accessible and you'll lose interest. Not everyone can afford 70s or 80s car prices now, they've gone nuts in recent years, so these people are venturing into 00s stuff, which is already 15-20 years old anyway. Subjectively, most to me isn't retro or interesting at all but that's just my age, being objective about it then I'd say it's reasonable as they are 'retro' to younger members. My E46 is a 2001, so squeaks in under 'accepted rules' but it's a design that was released in 1997 and began its design gestation in 1993, so is firmly in the retro camp, as are E46s built well into the 00s when production ended in 2006. I think many would disagree with your initial paragraph, especially some of the more senior folk, but I agree 100 with that. Admittedly, I fall into that camp. Alot of the cars I wanted which were affordable are now not so much. Those include -Mini (£8k it seems now for one without oversills and still having a 1275?) -Lotus Elan Sprint or a +2 (£20k?) -Porsche 928 -Ford Escort Mk2 -Skyline R32. I could sell the M3 and maybe get or partially fund one of the above, but here's the rub. I've poured alot of time and cash into that. I also have alot of fantastic and painful memories. They also seem to have risen. Bargains are still out there but few and far between. I doubt mine would get much as it was a daily early on, but that's what I did with retros when they were cheaper. It's funny. I never used to see a Z3 as retro until now. I've always seen this as a place for the everyman having a go, rather than the collector and so I think it keeps things interesting to see projects we could all afford. I guess that's supply and demand, but by then, the goalposts have moved out of reach for the 'everyman'. It's also a very very hard balance to strike between what is interesting and what is not and where to employ the cutoff. I've been very lucky to have been offered cars at 'everyman' prices over the years. Maybe I'm showing my tightness ; the average I've paid for a car is around £1.5k. The 'retro stuff' I was putting on here? That was closer to £1k. The MGB Sebring Build cost me £7k over 10 years. I don't know of many cars which would offer that now. I can probably count the cars on one hand which I've stumped up more cash for. The 205 thread I had when then had a very positive reception was about the same age as my ST220. So were the Volvo 740s. Christ, the Midget I had was only a few years older, but my ST220 post details that anyway. 25 years used to be the cut-off for classics remember until Labour came in to abolish that in 1997. One of the best threads on here was the Teenage Dirtbag thread. Maybe that should have been canned? That MX-5 was only 17 years old during that post, and the oldest MX-5 would have been 21 years old at best. . As for the 'go to Pistonheads' comment, this place is much better than PH. It has a framework, a means of people co-operating as well as more of a helpful vibe. I'm not saying PH doesn't have that, but there are only a few pockets of it. There is some interesting stuff on there mind you! Oh, and unlike there, this place doesn't have a whiff of the gammon about it . Anyway, it's time for a shot of what folks will call both retro and interesting!
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Last Edit: Feb 21, 2021 19:51:35 GMT by ChasR
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I kinda don't care as long as it's not a boring story or car. I have a 70's car by the simple expediency of not f**king selling it through thick n thin. By the skin of my teeth. If it's interesting it gets a pass from me, even when I don't like them.
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Rich
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Retro rides or interesting rides?Rich
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forum.retro-rides.org/thread/171684/retro-rides-modus-operandiRule 7... let’s not go there again. If it’s interesting, fine. If you find it boring don’t open the thread to read. I’m not saying this forum would be amazing with a tonne of 57 plate vectras in the readers rides section but as long as the newer cars that are there are interesting (th cactus is a loony colour, very low and let’s be fair, there are some mad styling cues on that) and like likes of Grizz’s Chevy, you would borderline exclude that? I’d rather not, that’s not exactly a common sight. So yea. Don’t rock the boat
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Within the first year of the forum (2004) we had posts about slammed Toyota Estima/Previa/Lucidia and at the time the newest one of them would have been five years old. Simon and I once discussed that really this forum should have been called Cars That Simon and David and Others Find Cool And Interesting But Are Mainly Older Rides ... but it doesn't trip off the tongue so easily. I think my fear for the forum and the scene in general is that we end up pricing ourselves out of accessibility for people entering the scene. There has to be an entry level for getting involved, what does that look like for us now? Back when we started you could pick up a 70's Japanese saloon for £600, now you can add another zero to that (and that is probably our fault to a certain degree haha). What is the equivalent of that now? An early 2000's Kei car of some sort. Same in the VW and Ford scenes, the cars that were the entry level vehicles have all moved up in price, so how do you attract new people who don't want to commit 3-5k to joining in. I'm not saying that entry is newer cars, but it could form part of it. Potentially returning a Bargain cars section in the for sale section (not 2grand cars? ThePollitt ) For me I want to read about older modified cars, with a sprinkling of interesting newer stuff. This is a bit like the growing pains we had when 1992 as the kind of unofficial cut off moved to 95 and then 98. These aren't hard cut offs, we're not the NSRA . I'm not super interested in stuff less than ten years old, but there are some users doing interesting stuff with them, that works alongside their other builds. I have toyed with the idea of adding a more modern Readers Rides sub board, partly to separate it down a bit as it moves SO FAST and stuff gets missed, but I don't know what that would look like and where the division would be, I don't want to make content ghettos. I also don't want to do too much navel gazing about this kind of thing either. We'll find a nice balance I'm sure, just need to set the tone. If you want older cars then share older car stuff, which generally is what I try to do (he says as he is editing a video that is 50% modern cars for Youtube ).
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Feb 22, 2021 11:40:02 GMT
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Photos to sum up my priorities. 1980s truck wearing new wheels, which is in the fore of the photo, fore of my priorities, and fore of my mind. Left of photo are 1970s wheels waiting to go on my lowered teenies car. I wouldn’t have the knowledge to do any of this if it wasn’t for stumbling across retrorides, and also the forum’s acceptance of moderns as I was driving a 2002 Nissan cube at the time, 9 years ago whilst explaining to a colleague that a Bedford rascal on air would be my dream car. I would have lots more money and a healthier marriage but where’s the fun in that?!
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Feb 22, 2021 19:11:09 GMT
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We’re just here for fun , the world is in enough mess at the moment,RR has Been my personal saviour during the pandemic, worked all the way through it and also my wife is an NhS nurse plus add a 12 year old daughter with learning difficulties and a 17 year old grumpy apprentice mechanic into the equation you’ll see why I come here for some light hearted banter and to view just about any kind off car It just works here , don’t change anything please I’ve seen newer stuff creeping in but it’s all decent stuff built on a budget and we have to remember the younger generation have to join the scene somehow So a fiesta mk6 decked or a tastefully modded MINI is fine with me
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Last Edit: Feb 22, 2021 19:11:29 GMT by Mercdan68
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Feb 24, 2021 20:34:56 GMT
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I don’t claim it’s a classic but the thought that I might seems to offend some people most of all. Too many people are over-sensitive and too easily offended these days. In my experience offence tends to be taken rather than given.
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Feb 24, 2021 20:50:01 GMT
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Again, just to confirm I am not in any way against the moderns if interesting and/or stuff is being done, just wondered on the juxtaposition with regard to the rules on ads. May just mean if i do anything interesting to the Boxster ('04) it may or may not qualify as interesting
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Needs a bigger hammer mate.......
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Feb 24, 2021 21:14:29 GMT
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I'm only a newbie to Retro Rides, but my two cents: I personally think interesting rides should be permitted, but may be bias, given my most recent contribution was not quite retro enough (2001). I am also a regular contributor on Pistonheads which has a different focus and vibe than Retro Rides, and imho it is important to ensure that Retro Rides retains its uniqueness or specialness i.e. unusual cars, modified cars, rare cars - if I wanted to read a Reader's Ride thread of an unmodified late noughties Mercedes, I would go to PH, which is a much broader church, but is probably worse for it. However, if someone had taken said late noughties Mercedes and done something a bit ridiculous to it, seems to me it would fit here.
Ultimately, you can just not read and engage with what doesn't interest you, so strict rules seem entirely unnecessary.
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Rich
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Retro rides or interesting rides?Rich
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Feb 24, 2021 21:26:01 GMT
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Again, just to confirm I am not in any way against the moderns if interesting and/or stuff is being done, just wondered on the juxtaposition with regard to the rules on ads. May just mean if i do anything interesting to the Boxster ('04) it may or may not qualify as interesting One of the main reasons the cutoff on the sales ‘zone’ is in place is to stop it being used as Autotrader without the listing fees for cars that are genuinely not interesting. Would be a nightmare wading through adverts for 2005 Fiestas and Corsas. The readers rides board isn’t really subject to that as an issue, people with those kind of cars aren’t really showcasing them in the way someone, for example, with an interesting-to-most TVR would.
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Feb 24, 2021 21:42:25 GMT
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The root of my interests is old stuff. Mainly cars, but old stuff in general. Its not like I'm a historian or claim to know everything about it, i just like it. Simple as that. Thats why this forum suits me, its not just about retro cars, but various other sections also interest me. The old stuff will always be there, and each year the newer stuff gets older, and just when you notice something is starting to disapear, it gets interesting. Some cars that were new when the forum started look different now, and even newer cars sometimes have something about them that makes them interesting, or a detail about them that can give ideas for a retro. Ive said before that I don't have a retro now, but that doesnt stop me being interested, or an enthusiast. My daily for example, not retro, not that interesting, not that unusual, its just a bit odd. Not interesting enough for its own thread, but i think i'll get away with posting a pic of it just for the sake of it.
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bstardchild
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Feb 24, 2021 21:43:44 GMT
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As for the 'go to Pistonheads' comment, this place is much better than PH. It has a framework, a means of people co-operating as well as more of a helpful vibe. I'm not saying PH doesn't have that, but there are only a few pockets of it. There is some interesting stuff on there mind you! Seeing as I suggested that PH would be a better showcase for a 2011 Porsche Panamera it's clearly not gonna be forgotten anytime soon................ For people to say "don't click on it" - I clicked in it because it's RR I expected it to be different - clearly it wasn't and whilst it's a lovely car it's not what I am here for and felt it would find a more appreciative audience on PH. If it is on here and has a post 2000 date in the title I normally look and see what is being done and I'm rarely disappointed because most of the time it's either interesting or modified or both fr€$h&m1nt¥ Cactus is a good example - not to my taste - not what I like but it's different and interesting regardless Not singling anyone out but I both agreed and disagreed with the post by a new member below I'm only a newbie to Retro Rides, but my two cents: I personally think interesting rides should be permitted, but may be bias, given my most recent contribution was not quite retro enough (2001). I am also a regular contributor on Pistonheads which has a different focus and vibe than Retro Rides, and imho it is important to ensure that Retro Rides retains its uniqueness or specialness i.e. unusual cars, modified cars, rare cars Hammer, nail hit. if I wanted to read a Reader's Ride thread of an unmodified late noughties Mercedes, I would go to PH, which is a much broader church, but is probably worse for it. I think there is space on the internet for both (and a fair bit of cross posting goes on across both and other forums However, if someone had taken said late noughties Mercedes and done something a bit ridiculous to it, seems to me it would fit here. Agreed Ultimately, you can just not read and engage with what doesn't interest you, so strict rules seem entirely unnecessary. On this we can respectfully disagree - The rules this place has are what has kept it together and growing for 17 years
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