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Feb 13, 2021 19:13:00 GMT
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Hi all,
I'm in the process of buying a house with a single brick-built, flat-roof detatched garage. It sits just adjacent to the house and the boundary of the property, so no way to drive a car to the garden for winter storage.
I'm thinking of adding a second single garage door to the rear of the garage, so in theory I can drive a car all the way through and park on some existing hard standing at the rear, inside the garden, for secure winter storage. I can either pop up a wooden lean-to/shelter, or just stick it inside a single car tent/car cover etc. But it gets it off the road and keeps it secure and safe.
The garage already has double wooden doors at the rear approx. 2m wide already, connected to double-brick pillars either side (the garage is single-skinned). So this opening only needs to be extended by approx. 50cm in total to get a single door in. No photos I'm afraid as I forgot to take one - hoping to pop around next week and spec up some other jobs so will get some then.
Has anyone experience of doing this? Wondering what the process is, especially for an absolute builder novice like myself. Or might perhaps be something a garage door company could do as an entire job? Just throwing ideas about so far.
Cheers in advance!
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Last Edit: Feb 13, 2021 22:26:23 GMT by arsonist
1979 Mk1 Passat Estate 1.6 LS
1996 Mk3.5 Fiesta 1.3 Classic
1997 Mk1 MX5 1.8i
2005 Mazda 3 TS
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Feb 13, 2021 19:26:33 GMT
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Will you not get your car through the 2m opening you have already?
Perhaps I am not visualising it properly
Some pics would help a lot
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Last Edit: Feb 13, 2021 19:27:21 GMT by henspeed
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slater
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Feb 14, 2021 12:45:10 GMT
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If its flat roofed it will probably be quite simple. Remove wall and put door in. Assuming I'm visualising it right!
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Feb 14, 2021 12:53:23 GMT
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Will you not get your car through the 2m opening you have already? Perhaps I am not visualising it properly Some pics would help a lot Hello. Sorry I'm being a bit of an idiot and asking a question I don't have the full details for! I didn't actually measure the rear doors, thinking about it 2m is a way over estimate. I recall looking at them and knowing you wouldn't fit a car through, so perhaps more like 1.5m wide. If its flat roofed it will probably be quite simple. Remove wall and put door in. Assuming I'm visualising it right! Yes it's a flat roof with standard timber fascia all around. |
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Last Edit: Feb 14, 2021 12:54:21 GMT by arsonist
1979 Mk1 Passat Estate 1.6 LS
1996 Mk3.5 Fiesta 1.3 Classic
1997 Mk1 MX5 1.8i
2005 Mazda 3 TS
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Feb 17, 2021 21:56:25 GMT
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If the roof supports go side to side then the end wall is really not holding any weight as such, it's main function is stopping the sides flapping around by providing triangulation.
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Feb 20, 2021 16:52:15 GMT
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If the roof supports go side to side then the end wall is really not holding any weight as such, it's main function is stopping the sides flapping around by providing triangulation. Hello, I actually have some photos and rough measurements now. Photos are potato, sorry. Was trying to take them while carring a 6 month old. Roof supports are parallel to the door walls, so yes, side to side. Edge of frame (so up to the brick) is exactly 1.6m. Looks to be a few extra beam supports jutting out from the last main joist, but these loom to mostly be for supporting the top of the door frame/lintel, all of which llook due for a replacement anyway. Guessing I can knock the doors and existing frame out (as non-structural?) cut out approx 420mm of brick either side (or to the nearest whole brick), make a new lintel notch on the top brick layer, and then add a new lintel and door frame / new wooden doors as required? And perhaps patch any damaged brick holes at ground level with some new concrete. Probably add new pvc fascia and sofits all aroud too (roof doesn't appear to have a single leak - zero evidence of wet floorm dripping, damaged boards from inside). Hoping that looks about right? Cheers 
 
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Last Edit: Feb 20, 2021 16:52:48 GMT by arsonist
1979 Mk1 Passat Estate 1.6 LS
1996 Mk3.5 Fiesta 1.3 Classic
1997 Mk1 MX5 1.8i
2005 Mazda 3 TS
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eternaloptimist
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Feb 20, 2021 17:40:10 GMT
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That last shot is useful. It shows the only thing it is supporting is the ladder extension on the joist. I reckon you could run a disc cutter down the face of the bricks to whatever width you need for the frame of the door. However, my appetite for risk is far greater than it ought to be, and it wouldn’t be my garage that collapsed.
In time you’ll want to tear it down and build something much bigger, but I reckon you can do what you want without too much risk.
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XC70, VW split screen crew cab, Standard Ten
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Feb 21, 2021 12:48:31 GMT
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Yeah looks perfectly doable to me
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slater
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All you need to watch is you're losing any triangulation the end wall gives. If it was just left with two single skin brick walls leaning on it too hard might push the whole thing over! It should still be all right if you don't cut the walls so far back your just left with a single skin tho. (And assuming it has some peirs built in around the door at the either end too...)
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Feb 23, 2021 17:33:51 GMT
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Could put a more substantial frame in for the door to reintroduce some strength into the wall,
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Feb 25, 2021 20:36:51 GMT
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To be absolutely certain of maintaining structural integrity you could knock up a goalpost type door frame work from some box section and concrete it in at each side bolting it into the remaining walls, that will maintain the triangulation.
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^Probably be the strongest part of the whole thing.
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Feb 26, 2021 15:02:54 GMT
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^Probably be the strongest part of the whole thing. Actually not a bad suggestion, cheers. I guess this would also take on the role of the lintel too. And would also ensure, with a decent door added, would be nice and secure against would-be tea leaves. |
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1979 Mk1 Passat Estate 1.6 LS
1996 Mk3.5 Fiesta 1.3 Classic
1997 Mk1 MX5 1.8i
2005 Mazda 3 TS
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A bit OT but there's a garage near me that has double ended doors. One door opens as usual, off the open area of the compound it's in (standard 70s build) but the other opens onto his front garden, which is open to the pavement.
It's on the end of the block of garages, so access isn't an issue and if you were to drive through the garage you'd just end up 20ft further up the same bit of pavement you drove over to get to the 'front' door in the first place.
I've never seen the point.
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A bit OT but there's a garage near me that has double ended doors. One door opens as usual, off the open area of the compound it's in (standard 70s build) but the other opens onto his front garden, which is open to the pavement. It's on the end of the block of garages, so access isn't an issue and if you were to drive through the garage you'd just end up 20ft further up the same bit of pavement you drove over to get to the 'front' door in the first place. I've never seen the point. Maybe his car doesn't have a reverse gear!  |
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