cortinaman
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Hi Folks - not a particularly retro post, but I am sure the collective will have some opinions! My wife has a 18 plate Skoda Rapid Spaceback 1l TSi. The first service was done a year ago, and the "oil service due" warning has come up on the dash. I phoned the local Skoda dealer to book it in, and was told it only needs to be serviced every two years, so they just need to turn the warning off! The car has done 12,320 miles - almost all of it short local journeys (10 miles max). I had understood that the service due warning comes up when the oil starts to deteriorate, rather than on a strict time scale. So the question is - to service or not to service (I would rather pay for it if it needs to be done) cheers folks Proper Skoda Rapid as penance for the modern car question! Cheers Cortinaman
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Rich
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Jan 27, 2021 12:06:25 GMT
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Service every year or 10-12000 miles, I don’t buy into this every two years servicing malarkey. Worst case your car is over serviced and the service book is too full. Can’t have too many service stamps and it will certainly help you get the most from the engine.
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stealthstylz
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Jan 27, 2021 13:01:45 GMT
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Aye get it changed. Also tell her to get it on the motorway once a week and give it some hammer to get it properly hot.
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Jan 27, 2021 13:17:51 GMT
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I stick to twice a year for fresh oil whether it needs it or not, for the sake of £30 to DIY it's not worth the wait.
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Jan 27, 2021 14:54:50 GMT
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My experience is mainly in Fords but I expect the technology is the same.
Modern cars have algorithms which look at how a car is being used and determine how this degrades the oil, it will then put the oil change message when it thinks the oil needs changing, not doing this can invalidate the warranty, somewhere in the blurb it will say the stated service interval is a maximum you should go to.
So in summary, your dealer doesn't seem to know what he is talking about, you should definitely get it done otherwise any subsequent warranty claim may be invalidated by VW.
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Last Edit: Jan 27, 2021 15:02:21 GMT by kevins
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cortinaman
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Jan 27, 2021 16:36:44 GMT
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Thanks chaps - I reached the same conclusion, and its now booked in for a service. I'm not sure what the guy at Skoda thought he was gaining by telling me it didn't need servicing as it deprived them of the price of the service!
Cortinaman
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Jan 27, 2021 16:54:41 GMT
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Wife has a Octavia. There are two service types for that, either long life servicing which is around 20k miles but will sample the oil quality so may be more or less than that, and if not mileage then 2 years. The other is fixed miles, which we use, and the light comes on at 10k miles. Maybe it’s 12k instead of 10k on yours, and is set up for fixed servicing and that’s why dealer is saying what they are
I guess if I wasn’t going to keep the vehicle past 4 or 5 years I’d run on the long life plan, but as we intend to keep it long term, and it’s used for short journeys as well as her 15mile commute to work the fixed servicing seemed kinder.
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cortinaman
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Jan 28, 2021 10:08:17 GMT
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We always keep our cars as long as possible - I was quite annoyed when my V50 Volvo didn't make it to 10 years- so regular servicing is part of the plan. I do wonder how good the oil sampling is - it makes me wonder whether its like the oil warning light on an old car - when the light comes on its too late!
I remember, back in the day we had a small local motor factors run by an old guy who was into cars - I was in there when an old lady came in saying the oil light had come on in her car and could she buy some oil. The old chap asked how much she would like, and she said "just enough to make the light go out". He then offered her some sage advice about changing the oil regularly etc which I rather felt fell on deaf ears!
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bstardchild
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Jan 28, 2021 11:43:41 GMT
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I really liked my Skoda Rapid Spaceback - great little car - My advice - Get an oil and filter change done - oil is the only thing that keeps the moving parts apart - it's not expensive compared to lunching an engine Modern small capacity and force fed engines will not like oil that has lost a chunk of it's lubrication properties Ask stealthstylz how many engines of this type are scrap when they come to him for a rebuild or repair
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Jan 28, 2021 18:31:34 GMT
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The other thing which shouldn't be a problem at a dealer but is if you go elsewhere is making sure they use the correct spec of oil, many engines now have specific oil with a specific additive pack, use a generic 5w 20 or whatever and it wreak havoc.
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Jan 28, 2021 19:33:20 GMT
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Another vote for the 'can't over service' club. I really don't buy in to this long-life service stuff. I'm sure there's data to back up improvements in oil etc but it's just not worth it.
Had a Mk5 Golf GTI a few years back that had been on long-life servicing all its life. I bought it at 80k. At 90k it had a top-end rebuild. At 95k, the bottom end shat itself along with the turbo. Car had all the stamps, done by the book but I feel these longer interims are probably why it lunched itself. It wasn't pretty inside!
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Last Edit: Jan 28, 2021 19:34:53 GMT by jmsheahan
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Jan 28, 2021 19:53:29 GMT
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What? So why does the light come on then?
Yes to oil and filter. At least once a year. Whatever. "Longlife" oil and variable service = short life engine. Especially on the short trips scenario. Oil is cheaper than engines.
Wife's TT was on "variable servicing" for the first few years of it's life. Two oil changes in 45k. The first at over 20k from new! We got it at 64k and the engine is dirtier inside than my 335k diesel A6 which has had 6k oil changes all its life. All you need to know, right there.
Nick
Edit: But make sure you (or whomever) uses the right oil. Some of the VAG stuff is fussy (diesel PDs and direct injection petrols) and will die young if the oil doesn't have the right anti-scuff additives.
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Last Edit: Jan 28, 2021 19:55:20 GMT by vitesseefi
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Jan 28, 2021 21:43:13 GMT
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I'd be inclined to get the dealer to do an oil inspection service or just an oil change.
My newer car has 10k service intervals but I could, according to VW , go to 20k or 2 year as i drive the vehicle vigorously as opposed around town on short journeys. It gets 10k oil changes.
Watched an episode of Car SOS where they took an oil sample to Millers Oils (I think) and the science bloke there was asked about 'long life' oils and changes and just said i wouldn't recommend it then added 'why wouldn't you do fresh oil and filter when it costs so little and does so much'
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Last Edit: Jan 28, 2021 21:45:42 GMT by duggers
Needs a bigger hammer mate.......
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ChasR
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Jan 28, 2021 22:00:45 GMT
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I'd also change it, but stick to the spec outlined by the manufacturer. It will be something like VW 507 00 etc. Quantum/TPS seems to be decent and good value for these. Another vote for the 'can't over service' club. I really don't buy in to this long-life service stuff. I'm sure there's data to back up improvements in oil etc but it's just not worth it. Had a Mk5 Golf GTI a few years back that had been on long-life servicing all its life. I bought it at 80k. At 90k it had a top-end rebuild. At 95k, the bottom end shat itself along with the turbo. Car had all the stamps, done by the book but I feel these longer interims are probably why it lunched itself. It wasn't pretty inside! IIRC they tend to have more anti-sludging additives in and other fancy agents (sometimes even Titanium allegedly!) to keep them going for a while! Mk5s are known for issues. IIRC they have oil pickup/strainers issues. Either something like the seal to the block perishes and leads to air being let in, or the pickup pipe simply failing itself! A friend changed his for good measure, albeit someone had been there before him.; the car was previously owned by R-Tech Performance.
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Jan 28, 2021 22:07:14 GMT
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Mk5 golf owner here echoing Chas and Jim, pick up pipe gauze clogs up and needs the sump off and a new one fitting regularly. I've become really good mates with my sump over the last 6 years.
I thought the only point of the vag long life service was to make owning a new vag car slightly cheaper by only changing the oil every 20k.
Mine sees new oil every 5k max now.
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Jan 28, 2021 23:08:11 GMT
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"Longlife" oil and variable service = short life engine. No it doesn't, it depends how you are using it. Short trips where the oil never gets warm not good but the Octavia 1.8T I've just sold had 260k miles on it - most of it by me and most on variable service intervals which tended to be 18-19k miles. Virtually all the mileage was reasonable runs, rarely less than 20 miles, on A roads. Didn't burn any oil, sailed through the emissions test, etc. Only sold it because I felt like a change.
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stealthstylz
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Long life oil is usually OK on cars that get used on decent runs all the time as rallyboy says. My dad's Passat PD only had long life oil changes with VW oil and when we scrapped at ~195k it I pulled the top off and the cam was still like new. The car got the living daylights thrashed out of it everywhere.
On short journey cars go for regular servicing. At least once a year. Modern engines, even petrols chuck so much carbon buildup into the oil its ridiculous.
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Jan 29, 2021 10:22:48 GMT
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Mk5s are known for issues. IIRC they have oil pickup/strainers issues. Either something like the seal to the block perishes and leads to air being let in, or the pickup pipe simply failing itself! A friend changed his for good measure, albeit someone had been there before him.; the car was previously owned by R-Tech Performance. They sure do, it had a pick-up pipe as soon as I bought it, I think the chocolate engine spec must have been selected at the factory
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Jan 29, 2021 18:57:31 GMT
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Just make sure they do change the oil and filter and don't just turn the warning off but 'MISTAKENLY' invoice for the oil and filter.
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Jan 31, 2021 11:56:43 GMT
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VAG has two oil changed intervals. Fixed and flexible. Fixed is 12 months and depending on engine 9100 - 9400 miles. This is for short trip around town when the engine may not warm up fully or do a lot of idling time. Flexible depending on engine is 24 months up to 19100 miles. This is a maximum and going over will invalidate warranty. This is for your motorway cruisers at that tend to do the mileage in 10-12 months.
A lot of the VAG engines are using 0w20 508/509 now and this is for both fixed and flexible where as a S3 will be 502 fixed and 507 flexible so make sure the service sheet is correct for your service regime when you collect the car.
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