ChasR
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This thought has popped into my head. That said this car has seen two clutches last year. The first one slipped, and the second one has a leaking slave cylinder (this appears to be a 6 speed item in it, but I'll no doubt find out when it comes out). There is no doubt more will be revealed when the 'box comes off. I do find it odd that Ford fitted around 4 clutches to these cars, but well, from what a friend (well, supplier) has said, Ford are worse than a company we both know with complexity! I'm tempted to ask on the forums if someone can send me a couple of Duratec 5 speed clutches over mind you, from both a TDCi and a 4 pot Duratec-HE. While I've spent a small fortune, it would be good to see if others "may" be saved, at their own risk obviously. That and the more I've read into MTX-75 differences, it seems V6 'boxes are different. From what I can tell, the bellhousing is different to the diesels anyway, as is the input shaft length from other derivatives. Even a Focus RS clutch isn't a straightforward fit into another Zetec it seems without grinding bellhousings. What doesn't help is I'm storing the car at a mate's, rate free. So I really shouldn't take the mic with keeping it there. The plan is to get it mobile, and take it home  . After all, in theory, some of this cost can be written off as a storage cost . Could be a case of the concentric slave cylinder being different rather than the clutch itself. Too long, it'll not release and the clutch will slip. To short and the slave will over-extend and leak. Nick I think it’s the second issue that you mention, where the slave has over exerted itself. The clutch slipping the first time seems like a red-herring. It could have been contaminated etc. The concentric wasn’t changed the second time around either. But I guess it’s his word I’m going on as well. Maybe they tried a Duratec 2.0 clutch initially. It’s odd that their motor factor I tried said that they don’t do a clutch for one, claiming they can see gearboxes. A lifelong GSF employee missed that as did ECP, until they were pushed for the info. The concentrics are different between the 5 and the 6 speed. However, I don’t think they are interchangeable. The bolt patterns look different. You can buy both concentrics in the aftermarket but LUK and Sachs only do a clutch for the 6 speed A 6 speed clutch will fit a 5 speed physically, as the DMFs are shared between the two ‘boxes |
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Last Edit: Jan 27, 2021 8:29:50 GMT by ChasR
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This will probably be my final reply on this topic, as I'm aware some folks are interested in these things, and the thread may serve as information for anyone else with a 5 Speed V6 Mondeo. As I said, I rang up LuK and they no longer list clutches for alot of V6 5 speed Mondeos, including the ST200 and ST220. I also contacted Helix. As soon as I finished saying ST220, the lady said no. It seems they've had calls for these. She said that the ST200 and 220 do not have clutches supplied by them, but if the demand was there, batches could be made. Obviously, with just one person, that's not going to change. When I bought the car, I was informed that the clutch was in the boot of the car, well, the one they removed. I forgot this foolishly, and only found the clutch in the car yesterday as I was clearing the boot out. The clutch kit was buried under a set of ST220 floor mats, another bonus I don't recall with the car. With that in mind, I checked the clutch out. I now wonder if the garage only changed the concentric, as this clutch is clearly very worn, and the pressure plate looks to have a few grooves in it, along with carbon buildup.  The clutch does look similar to the 6 speed clutch my 3.0 had, albeit it was 8 years ago that was changed, so I cannot rely on my memory too much there. A closer look reveals an LuK part number on the pressure plate, which I did Google.  This friction disc cannot be bought separately, but only as part of a kit. The kits it goes into are all BMW kits, around 4 kits in total, for many BMWs from a 1 series to a 530i! These are £160 however. If I had a ramp, I'd have been tempted to have bought all 4, and see which cover matches up. The pressure plate I could not find a number on. If anyone here knows where the numbers would be on the cover, please let me know ; it would unlock another mystery and possibly provide an alternative source for buying two clutch kits, even if that comes out at my discounted Ford price. Part of me does wonder if the wrong clutch is in the car, but the date stamp on the pressure plate, and the fact that the clutch is 240mm, which is what all ST220s take, seem to tie up. There was something else in the car. The box the of the new clutch put into the car.  That no? It's for a 6 speed ST220 clutch. Yup, the Mondeo has the wrong clutch in it. My suspicion was/is the clutch cover release bearing stop/spider, is a little too far, as vitesseefi alluded to in an earlier post. I'm still waiting for the clutch to arrive from Ford, so I'll be sitting pretty for the timebeing. |
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. After all, in theory, some of this cost can be written off as a storage cost 