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Jan 19, 2021 21:16:37 GMT
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Looking for some advice. Looking at buying a 1967 car that’s registered as a historic vehicle so no MOT or tax to pay. It’s been updated which I think puts it outside the rules to be MOT free. If I buy it, it’s it ok just to start taking it for an MOT every year even though it’s an historic vehicle and doesn’t require one? Do you then need to pay for road tax?
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ferny
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Historic vehicle but modified ferny
@ferny
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Jan 19, 2021 21:27:06 GMT
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MOT If it's "radically altered" it needs an MOT. Think along the lines of more modern and/or much more powerful engine.
You pop along for an MOT just as you would any other car.
You still need to tax it every 12 months, but it doesn't cost any money.
That's the basic idea. It gets more complicated if you can prove the mods were done X amount of years ago, but as you're buying it now I'd not risk it.
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Jan 19, 2021 21:39:24 GMT
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So the vehicles status doesn’t change, I can still MOT a historic vehicle and gain the free tax?
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Jan 19, 2021 21:41:14 GMT
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This is the text from the government web site to determine if it needs an MOT. Realistically it's so loosely written you could probably argue just about anything, any modern engine is likely to be greener and if its an engine the same age as the car you can probably find someone who fitted one in the day but in reality if you don't squarely meet the requirements I would still MOT it.
‘Substantial change’ criteria Main vehicle components (excluding motorcycles) Chassis Chassis replacements of the same pattern as the original are not considered to be a substantial change
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Monocoque bodyshell Replacements of the same pattern as the original are not considered to be a substantial change (including any sub-frames).
Axles and running gear Alteration of the type or method of:
suspension steering is a ‘substantial change’.
Engine Alternative cubic capacities of the same basic engine and alternative original equipment engines are not considered to be a substantial change.
If the number of cylinders in an engine is different from the original it’s likely to be, but not necessarily, the case that the current engine is not alternative original equipment.
Other ‘substantial change’ criteria (all vehicles) A vehicle is considered to have been ‘substantially changed’ if it:
has been given a ‘Q’ registration number is a kit car assembled from components from different makes and model of vehicle is a reconstructed classic vehicle as defined by DVLA guidance is a kit conversion, where a kit of new parts is added to an existing vehicle, or old parts are added to a kit of a manufactured body, chassis or monocoque bodyshell, which changes the general appearance of the vehicle However, if a vehicle meeting one or more of these criteria is taxed as a ‘historic vehicle’, and it has not been modified during the previous 30 years, it is exempt from needing an MOT.
Acceptable changes It does not count as a ‘substantial change’ if:
changes are made to preserve a vehicle because the original type parts are no longer reasonably available they are changes of a type which can be demonstrated to have been made when vehicles of the type were in production or within 10 years of the end of production axles and running gear have been changed to improve efficiency, safety or environmental performance changes were made to vehicles that were previously used as commercial vehicles, and you can prove the changes were made when the vehicle was used commercially
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cjj
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Jan 19, 2021 22:09:07 GMT
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I think the DVLA wrote rules, as ever, to stop people taking the whatnot.
For example, trying to use just the shell of a car fitted with modern everything so you could avoid an MOT and RFL.
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Jan 20, 2021 12:03:38 GMT
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I would check on what has been updated. Depending on what updated things have been done to it it possible it could lose its Historic Status.
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ftz313
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The above posts quote the registration process for registering a vehicle. I’m guessing your vehicle is already registered so doesn’t need to be registered again unless you choose to do so. So therefore don’t need to be applied. The notifiable changes are listed on your logbook. Colour, type of fuel, engine size etc. Type approval was brought in around 2003 & any vehicle registered before this isn’t restricted by this so chassis changes can be made as long as it meets ‘construction & use regulation’. The Dvla don’t like silhouette changes though & get a bit iffy about that. You can also make changes to the ‘running gear’ & retain the tax & mot exempt status as long as they are improvements to safety & environmental. Typically you’re only going to make it better so that fits into the ‘’acceptable changes’ listed below. However a word of caution-satisfy yourself that you’re understanding of the legislation as a lot of people are confused by this & try to apply the wrong legislation (registering a veh points system) 👍 www.gov.uk/government/publications/historic-classic-vehicles-mot-exemption-criteria/historic-classic-vehicles-mot-exemption-criteria
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Last Edit: Feb 6, 2021 19:30:56 GMT by ftz313
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Ftz313, wrong as always. The thread contains correct information regarding MOT's and historic vehicles. You go off wobbling on about silhouettes and other nonsense. Please, don't comment any more on registration issues, you have no idea.
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So the vehicles status doesn’t change, I can still MOT a historic vehicle and gain the free tax? Yes you can, i did so for a customer last week after.
The mot exemption and tax exemption are completely seperate. Tax exemption is purely on age of vehicle and doesn't care if its mot'd or exempt or modified or anything else. Just age.
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