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Jan 16, 2021 17:51:16 GMT
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driving round In a mk2 Granada with an engine the car was not designed or built for with probably twice the bhp the car should have A modified retro car forum probably isn’t the place the place to call people out for having modified retro cars It’s not about what you perceive the risks to be, it’s in black and white. And no one cares about opinions, we are just here for cool cars the only problem with a mk2 Granada having twice the power is that it doesn’t have 3 times... Couldn’t find a Granada, so here’s a cortina You are correct no one does care about opinions
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Jan 16, 2021 18:44:46 GMT
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A modified retro car forum probably isn’t the place the place to call people out for having modified retro cars It’s not about what you perceive the risks to be, it’s in black and white. And no one cares about opinions, we are just here for cool cars the only problem with a mk2 Granada having twice the power is that it doesn’t have 3 times... Couldn’t find a Granada, so here’s a cortina You are correct no one does care about opinions That’s just your opinion
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Jan 16, 2021 18:53:58 GMT
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I do find it a pain having to take my green sidelight bulbs out of me van every mot and fit the proper ones in......whoops thinking out loud 😂
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Last Edit: Jan 16, 2021 18:54:47 GMT by Mercdan68
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ferny
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Jan 16, 2021 19:02:45 GMT
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I do find it a pain having to take my green sidelight bulbs out of me van every mot and fit the proper ones in......whoops thinking out loud 😂 Impersonating a doctor is a bit naughty. Have a picture of an old Mercedes ambulance as punishment. I'm unclear as to which bulbs may or may not be fitted.
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Jan 16, 2021 19:12:07 GMT
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I do find it a pain having to take my green sidelight bulbs out of me van every mot and fit the proper ones in......whoops thinking out loud 😂 If I was you I would retract that statement immediately before you are accused of obviously being wrong for driving it, as it doesn’t meet type approval, is illegal on UK public roads, nuns & kittens will clearly die at some stage & you must be an idiot for admitting it on a public forum. Just an opinion of course, not mine, just something an mot tester once told me 😉
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Jan 16, 2021 19:40:13 GMT
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I do find it a pain having to take my green sidelight bulbs out of me van every mot and fit the proper ones in......whoops thinking out loud 😂 If I was you I would retract that statement immediately before you are accused of obviously being wrong for driving it, as it doesn’t meet type approval, is illegal on UK public roads, nuns & kittens will clearly die at some stage & you must be an idiot for admitting it on a public forum. Just an opinion of course, not mine, just something an mot tester once told me 😉 Yeah, but it’s still an opinion. The laughing emoji in Dan’s quote I believe was to emphasise that he knew what he was saying was wrong, whether he actually does that is irrelevant You don’t have to agree with Mk2cossie, he might well be a complete **** but you don’t know that because this is a forum and we are all sat on electronic equipment rather than face to face. We don’t care what you do think of him (I’m fairly sure he doesn’t either) and that’s just how forums work for some people, enemies today and mates tomorrow when they help you No one wants you to stop you having an opinion, it’s just we don’t care unless it’s about cars, and if it is about cars, even then only if it’s about stuff you like... no one cares that you dislike something Anyway, we get it, let’s move on. (Please)
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Jan 16, 2021 19:51:54 GMT
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If I was you I would retract that statement immediately before you are accused of obviously being wrong for driving it, as it doesn’t meet type approval, is illegal on UK public roads, nuns & kittens will clearly die at some stage & you must be an idiot for admitting it on a public forum. Just an opinion of course, not mine, just something an mot tester once told me 😉 Yeah, but it’s still an opinion. The laughing emoji in Dan’s quote I believe was to emphasise that he knew what he was saying was wrong, whether he actually does that is irrelevant You don’t have to agree with Mk2cossie, he might well be a complete **** but you don’t know that because this is a forum and we are all sat on electronic equipment rather than face to face. We don’t care what you do think of him (I’m fairly sure he doesn’t either) and that’s just how forums work for some people, enemies today and mates tomorrow when they help you No one wants you to stop you having an opinion, it’s just we don’t care unless it’s about cars, and if it is about cars, even then only if it’s about stuff you like... no one cares that you dislike something Anyway, we get it, let’s move on. (Please) [img src="https://img.retro- rides.org/i/v/johnthesparky/349086984d58.jpg"] Yeh let’s, just incase someone has an opinion they think is more relevant than the previous one 😀
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ferny
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Jan 16, 2021 19:55:26 GMT
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Jan 16, 2021 20:09:24 GMT
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Back on track, The fug has LED headlights They are a sealed unit that replace the standard reflector fitting So these are still ok? As they are not using the wrong lamps for the fitting and were designed to be what they are (?)
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Jan 16, 2021 20:18:57 GMT
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Might be me being petty or missing the point, it reads to me that the headlight must not be converted to fit hid or led, I have led bulbs fitted to my totally unmodified light units, so does that mean, provided the beam pattern is ok, then they shouldn't fail the mot, Ttfn Glenn
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Jan 16, 2021 20:36:40 GMT
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Back on track, The fug has LED headlights They are a sealed unit that replace the standard reflector fitting So these are still ok? As they are not using the wrong lamps for the fitting and were designed to be what they are (?) As far as I can interpret that’s fine as they are units designed to provide a beam pattern correctly with LED units as their source.
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Rich
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Jan 16, 2021 20:37:57 GMT
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Might be me being petty or missing the point, it reads to me that the headlight must not be converted to fit hid or led, I have led bulbs fitted to my totally unmodified light units, so does that mean, provided the beam pattern is ok, then they shouldn't fail the mot, Ttfn Glenn No, lamps designed for filament bulbs with LED or HID units are now a fail. To fit the wrong lamp source, direct fit or not, would be considered modification or conversion. Word for word from the manual:
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Jan 16, 2021 20:40:37 GMT
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I found some h4 halogen replacements for my saab 900 that projected the perfect beam pattern, but still the amount of light they projected was just too much. Entire motorway signs would light up, but they would never interfere with other road users. It just didn't suit the age of the car and I put normal halogens back in. Perfectly useable. I just wanted to have less strain on the alternator, and to improve the light - I didn't realise how much more light there would be.
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Last Edit: Jan 16, 2021 20:49:56 GMT by 60six
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Rich
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Jan 16, 2021 20:42:33 GMT
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I found some h4 halogen replacements for my saab 900 that projected the perfect beam pattern, but still the amount of light they projected was just too much. Entire motorway signs would light up, but they would never interfere with other road users. It just didn't suit the age of the car and I put normal halogens back in. Perfectly useable. I just wanted to have less stain on the alternator. To be fair, I was tempted to fit some to the 121, again to reduce some electrical loading, but alas no point now.
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ferny
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Jan 16, 2021 20:51:12 GMT
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Might be me being petty or missing the point, it reads to me that the headlight must not be converted to fit hid or led, I have led bulbs fitted to my totally unmodified light units, so does that mean, provided the beam pattern is ok, then they shouldn't fail the mot, Ttfn Glenn "Existing halogen headlamp units should not be converted to be used with high intensity discharge (HID) or light emitting diode (LED) bulbs. If such a conversion has been done, you must fail the headlamp." If the bulb type has been changed, then they've been converted. Or You can't convert them without changing the bulb type. I'm running LED's in the Herald right now. But.... I'm not using the standard lamps which were sealed beam. I'm not even using the upgraded halogen style which uses the glass lens to create the beam pattern. I'm using plastic lamps which use the reflector to create the pattern and there are LED's built into the bottom of the unit already. As mine already have LED's built in, plastic fronts will last longer with the cooler running LED bulbs, use the reflector for the pattern and aren't sold with any type of bulb in the box my situation feels a little more grey. I'd expect it to fail an MOT due to the possibility of it being interpreted to be against the spirit of the rules, but could use the above to argue. My beam pattern has been checked and proven to be fine.
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Jan 16, 2021 20:52:01 GMT
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I have LED bulbs on everything else apart from sidelights and can't fault them - not replaced one in 5 years. Just needed to replace some relays and everything was fine.
I tried to replace the dash lights with LED but they just turned into a really nasty strobe!
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Some 9000's, a 900, an RX8 & a beetle
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Back on track, The fug has LED headlights They are a sealed unit that replace the standard reflector fitting So these are still ok? As they are not using the wrong lamps for the fitting and were designed to be what they are (?) I’m glad you asked that as I guessed my LED lamps similar to those in my Acty would be a fail after originally reading the early part of the thread. I thought I was going to have to go down the daylight use only MOT route again as I have in the past.
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johnthesparky and fr€$h&m1nt¥ they would be fine. As they are both LED units from the outset If only they did bigger rectangular replacement lamps
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Quite the debate here! There are some windup merchants too, which I'm not surprised to see resurface as they believe their opinion is right and then resorting to personal attacks on folks; I did think this place was better than that. Pseudonyms always seems to hit the nail on the head here mind you! It's funny what people will do to feel good about breaking the law. I don't agree with the rules myself, but as Rich stated, you can understand why they are there. People are opportunists by nature, and will tend to do things that satisfy them. If a tester wants to take the risk, good for him (y). Don’t forget all hid lights need to be fitted with head lamp washer So it’s easier to tell if they are not factory fitted 😉 Some OEMs didn't fit cars with washers on a HID based setup. IIRC, the Mk2 Laguna and the Honda Civic FK/FN series did not have them. That said, it's one thing I do like about the M3. With the Bi-Xenons, it produces a very crisp cut-off, and they are great at night time. My parent's Love Island mobile (aka Range Rover Evoque) really does have a very crisp cut off. As said, even they can be blinding if the level sensors go bad or if the car's had a love tap on the front. It's not often these days you see a car with glare issues. Anyway, time for pics eh?
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I think I'm right in saying ... nobody has mention Insurance and the fact that if you don't maintain your vehicle in roadworthy condition, which I assume means getting the relevant certificates , it's null and void ... Just thinking out loud ...
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