betenoir
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Jan 21, 2021 21:33:15 GMT
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The concrete slab was supposed to have been subjected to a power float, to give a nice smooth surface for the garage floor. This did not happen, which resulted in me withholding some of the payment to the groundworks contractor, as the concrete was not as smooth as it was supposed to be. I agonised for a while over what to do about this, with various options being considered including grinding-off the top surface, or putting down an industrial screed. For the finish I had decided to use a two pack floor resin, and after taking advice from the supplier of this resin I was persuaded that I did not need to put anything else on the concrete before the resin primer. They were confident that the resin's self-levelling properties would give me the finish I was after. Applying the two-pack resin was a stressful prospect. Once the resin and the hardener have been mixed they only remain workable for about 30 minutes. I employed the help of a mate who is a painter and decorator to speed up the application, and mixed sufficient two-pack to do one quarter of the floor at a time. While my mate did the edges with a brush, I did the 'colouring-in' with a roller. Applying the first colour coat onto the grey primer.  After the first colour coat.  Second coat done. This was supposed to be enough, but the coverage was still looking pretty patchy.  I decided to bite the bullet and spend ~£200 on enough two pack to do a third coat, and I am glad that I did as the result was a finish much more like what I had in mind.  The yellow floor will not be to everyone's taste, but I am chuffed with it. The grey and yellow colour scheme was inspired by this SEAT race livery.  |
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Project Garage Workshopballbagbagins
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Jan 22, 2021 11:14:33 GMT
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Did you mix some aggregate into the resin or is the resin not slippy when wet?
I've been mulling over resin for my garage floor
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betenoir
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Jan 22, 2021 22:25:38 GMT
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ballbagbagins I mixed nothing in with the resin. It is not especially slippery when wet, although as you will see later I have tiles on top over part of the floor.
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betenoir
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Jan 25, 2021 20:40:10 GMT
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While I hope my workshop will be something I can be proud of, there are some people out there who I do not want seeing or venturing inside it. To make it harder to see inside, I put some tinting film on all of the windows. Both of these shots were taken after just one pane had been tinted, to show the difference it made.   I looked into 'proper' security bars for the windows, but it seemed pointless spending money on them when I could buy some steel bar for one tenth of the money and make my own.  |
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betenoir
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Jan 25, 2021 20:47:46 GMT
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Whilst the new shiny yellow floor is just what I was hoping for, and it is supposed to be hard enough to withstand the use of jacks etc, I had always envisaged having garage floor tiles over part of the surface. Working-out the pattern I wanted, and how many tiles I needed to buy, provided a first use for my new garage whiteboard.   Once the floor tiles had been delivered and I had the chance to lay them out, I realised I wanted a slightly different arrangement, which meant I had to order some additional tiles. This photo was taken before the second delivery had arrived.  |
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bricol
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Jan 26, 2021 22:15:11 GMT
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Who supplied the garage?
And what do you think of it?
I'm thinking of something similar this year to allow me to put more stuff under cover. My Lancia is sat outside in an outdoor carcoon - which allowed the inner liner to sit on the paint - one ruined paint job later . . .
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betenoir
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bricol I cannot recommend the company that supplied my garage, in fact I would go so far as to say they should be avoided. It looks great (in my opinion, anyway) now, but when they first built it there was water coming in everywhere. I spent months making phone calls to the company proprietor, who continually made and broke promises to sort it out. Eventually he agreed to pay for one day of a handyman's time to implement the solution he 'guaranteed' would make the garage weatherproof. It did not work, but he just started making and breaking further promises to rectify it. This went on for months, and I got Trading Standards involved. The garage is now waterproof, but it took months of grief and many hours of remedial work (which I finally did myself) to get there. I had a roofer working on the house recently, and he pointed-out a fundamental flaw in the design of the garage, which means it would never be waterproof without considerable work. The company who manufactured and erected my garage go by KH Property Services or KH Garden Services, based in Shrewsbury. They are also on eBay as khservices13 (although perhaps the number is indicative of several username changes?). The proprietor is called Kevin Horton. Unless you want to experience the same problems I did, I strongly recommend you give him and his various trading names a very wide berth.
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bricol
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Jan 28, 2021 13:02:10 GMT
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bricol I cannot recommend the company that supplied my garage, in fact I would go so far as to say they should be avoided. It looks great (in my opinion, anyway) now, but when they first built it there was water coming in everywhere. I spent months making phone calls to the company proprietor, who continually made and broke promises to sort it out. Eventually he agreed to pay for one day of a handyman's time to implement the solution he 'guaranteed' would make the garage weatherproof. It did not work, but he just started making and breaking further promises to rectify it. This went on for months, and I got Trading Standards involved. The garage is now waterproof, but it took months of grief and many hours of remedial work (which I finally did myself) to get there. I had a roofer working on the house recently, and he pointed-out a fundamental flaw in the design of the garage, which means it would never be waterproof without considerable work. The company who manufactured and erected my garage go by KH Property Services or KH Garden Services, based in Shrewsbury. They are also on eBay as khservices13 (although perhaps the number is indicative of several username changes?). The proprietor is called Kevin Horton. Unless you want to experience the same problems I did, I strongly recommend you give him and his various trading names a very wide berth. Bug ger! Thats a shame! Annoying to have to correct something you paid for to avoid having to do it yourself in the first place! What was the flaw/ |
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Un-floated! Sorry.  |
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betenoir
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Jan 29, 2021 23:01:05 GMT
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bricol The major problem is with the panel joins, at the corners and the middle of the walls. The ends of the horizontal cladding boards sit beside, rather than in front of, the uprights at panel edges, with a vertical cover strip nailed on top. When it rains, the water runs horizontally along the cladding boards to the ends, then down the upright until it finds a gap through to the inside face of the wall, from where it flows down to the garage floor. I had to prise off the covering strips, add silicone sealant between the cladding and the uprights, then replace the covering strips. Having done that for all of the joins, the water ingress was much reduced, but not stopped. I found that water was also getting in where the overlap between adjacent cladding boards was insufficient, including where there are knots at the board edges. I had to go round the whole garage finding and sealing all such leaks, and there were plenty. Having used numerous tubes of sealant, and leaving all of the lower lining panels off for weeks so I could check for water ingress after rain, I decided also to line the whole garage with thick polythene sheet. This gives me extra draft proofing, and also means that any further water getting to the inside of the walls will be prevented from ruining the lining panels.
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bricol
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Jan 29, 2021 23:15:24 GMT
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Even more bug ger! Glad you've improved it.
I think my big shed is how you suggest it ought to be - boards overlapping the frame - and I've not noticed it leaking. Something to look out for when I start looking. Thanks for the info.
Does make you a bit paranoid about leaks - I've had to reseal a few panels on my concrete sectional garage to stop the odd persistent one.
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betenoir
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Jan 29, 2021 23:41:01 GMT
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The inside face of the bricks could not be 'painted' with floor resin, as it would mostly just flow off the vertical surface. To address this I levered a piece of resin out of the paint tray where it had set, and took it to B&Q to get some matching gloss mixed. Once the bricks had been painted, the lower wall panels were refitted.   |
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betenoir
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Jan 29, 2021 23:47:11 GMT
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At this point the garage was finally ready to accommodate a car. The honour of being first one in fell to my mk2 Ibiza project. The towing brackets bolted to the floor worked perfectly, and I was able to winch the Ibiza in there working on my own.   The eagle-eyed may notice that the floor tiles are not laying flat in front of the offside of the Ibiza. This was caused by bringing it in at an angle and then manoeuvring it on the rows of tiles towards the door. Once the second order of tiles arrived I added further tiles between these rows at the end by the doors, to keep these rows apart when a car is moved around.  The garage floor is about four inches above the level of the driveway, and for a while I assumed I would be putting in a concrete ramp. When I thought about this though I realised that any such ramp might impinge on parking on the driveway. Also, it would be a waste of effort and money if we later decide to tart up the driveway. The garage will be used for projects rather than a daily driver, so cars will not be moved in or out particularly frequently. I bought a couple of pairs of low rise ramps which are fine to ease access but can be hung on the wall out of the way when not in use.  |
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Last Edit: Jun 5, 2022 15:25:48 GMT by betenoir
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Jan 30, 2021 20:05:07 GMT
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don't know if its been an issue but the structure should be slightly larger than the concrete base so water running down the outside does not pool on the top of the exposed concrete and seep through the mortar under the brick kerb ?
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betenoir
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Jan 31, 2021 22:19:37 GMT
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sierra1offI am not exactly sure what you mean. The garage overhangs the outside face of the brick course, and although the concrete slab is slightly larger than the bricks (obviously) the edges are rounded due to attention from an arris trowel, so no water pools against the mortar.
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betenoir
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In my previous post you can see a threshold across the door opening. These serve two purposes. One is the obvious weatherproofing, and the other is to provide a neater edge to the yellow floor. I managed to find black rubber threshold with a yellow band along the top, which looks the part. The bottom bolts on the doors had been long enough only to reach into roughly 10mm deep holes drilled into the garage floor. It would not have been long before those holes would have been worn into ineffective arcs had they been left like that. While searching for sockets to tidy and strengthen the holes in the floor, I discovered the Jadd Gatekeeper. This is billed as the "world’s first purpose designed self-clearing sockets for drop bolts" but I don't much care about that. What I do care about is that it is a nicely engineered bit of stainless steel which does exactly what I was seeking. With the bolt inserted:  Without the bolt:  |
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That’s a great looking garage,
Where did you take the resin from
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That looks like a great space to work in.
Before you get too settled, do reconsider installing some insulation to make it more comfortable all year round as it also helps to keep it cooler in the summer. If you use seconds & co to source your sheets, it won’t cost a fortune either and you will be able to do the roof too. You can find them on the web and also by the same username on eBay too. I got all of my insulation for my timber frame garage from them and saved a bundle. I know bazzateer used them on his build following my suggestion and saved a bundle - speaking of which, he still owes me that pint for the recommendation!
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