goldnrust
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Well it's not actually an Mx5, it's an Eunos Roadster... but it's the same thing  I wasn't looking for an mx5, nor even another project really, but this one sort of fell in my lap and seemed too good a deal to refuse! A friend of a friend had bought it off an older gent with the intention of breaking it for spares but looking closer he'd decided it was too good to break and I was in the right place at the right time to take it off his hands. So, it's a very early 1989 Mk1 Mx5. It has a few months MOT, claims to have done about 120,000 miles, though with imports you have to take this with a pinch of salt, and I've got some keys and a v5 to go with it, but no history.  Looks pretty good there, less good from this side though   It did come with a new pattern part replacement wing, the original was apparently rusty. The paint is not good. The silver paint on these early cars seems to have suffered most of the years. I would say the previous owner was probably preparing to have this resprayed, as on every panel there are areas where he has sanded back around stone chips and then put rust convertor on them. This means every panel is dotted with sanded sections and unsightly brown stains. You can also see in the above picture the the previous owner had primed his new wing with a rattle can while still on the car, so there's primer overspray on the bumper and door, and he'd gone at the inner wing with some silver Hammerite, or similar, in a pretty hap hazard manner!    So that's the bad, and you can see why it was a candidate for breaking, but what about the good? Well, it's got to be the cleanest Mx5 I've owned. The passengers lower rear wheel arch/sill has had a repair, and the shape could be improved a bit, but its very solid. Other than that, it all looks original, all the original spot welds showing on the wheel arches etc. The inner sills and floors are tidy with the original underbody coating rather than surface rust, and the frame rails seem to have avoided being mashed when moving around the docks with a forklift, like some many imports are.  The suspension components are impressively rust free, and wiping some of them off, most of the original paint is there under the dirt.  It's now a 31/32 year old car, and it's less rusty than my first one was back in 2008 when it was 12 years old! So that's a good start, building on this the roof is in great condition, back window is clear and no cracked.  The interior is tidy, with minimal wear on the drivers seat bolster, again less worn than my previous 3 mx5s.  The engine bay is clean and tidy (mildly disassembled here)  As I had no service history, I figured part of my first round of fixes would be to service it. But when I inspected it, the oil and air filter looks brand new.   As a final bit of basic engine inspection, I thought it wise to check the keyway in the front of the crank. These early 'short nose' 1.6 engines have a weakness in the design of the front pulley that can result in the keyway getting worn and allowing the timing to slip or in extreme cases cause the nose of the crank to actually sheer off. This was fixed in 1992 onwards cars, but the fix also made the crank a touch heavier so in theory these are the revives of the mx5 engines. Whether you can feel it, or whether it's just forum chat for people to feel good about their weak cranks...  Anyway, my keyway looks fine. So I've ordered a new bolt which will be locktited and carefully torqued and that should mean I'm safe from any crank problems for the foreseeable. Another problem, obvious when I drove it from the trailer it arrived on to my drive, was that one of the front brakes was sticking. Sticky callipers, as any mx5 owners will know, are a very common mx5 issue. I jacked it up and checked the other wheels, and was pleasantly surprised to find that that the other 3 brakes were free and the handbrake was working on both rear wheels evenly. I whipped the sticky calliper off, and again was pleasantly surprised to find minimal rust on the piston, and an intact dust seal.  It's not seized up solid, just a bit sticky, so might be ok with a clean but when a new set of seals in only £10, it seems silly not to do it properly. While I had my head under the wheel arch I was also pleased to see that all the suspension bushes looked good, not the perished old worn out bushes I was expecting to see. I don't know if they've been replaced, or whether this car has just been kept out of the worst of the weather?  So yes, plenty of good points, some bad. I'd say it's a car that's probably lived in a garage a lot recently and someone has cared for it. Some of that care has just been a bit misguided when it comes to the body work! Stage 1 is going to be a quick once over, a tidy up, then in a couple of weeks time hopefully get it out on the road to do what Mx5s are all about, driving. On top of the new front pulley bolt and brake calliper rebuild already mentioned, this first found of fixes will include removing the stick on chrome...  ... replacing the aftermarket white dials with the much nicer (IMO) standard black dials...  ... and obviously fitting that front wing! haha. I've also ordered some Bilt Hamber underbody coating and cavity wax to give this a fighting chance of staying rust free! Whilst picking this car up wasn't part of my plan, it does feel 'right' to have an mx5 again, it just feels like home! I'm very much looking forward to getting out for a drive in a couple of weeks time  Once I've actually driven it a bit then we can talk mods... 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I approve of everything you do. (Just saying)
Love MX5’s despite being too large for them really.
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Looking forward to watching your progress with this one too.
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Looks a good starting point, the body seems similar confition to our eunos but the suspension looks amazing, ours is all rusty (and it's 7 years newer!).
I think our mx5 is the last car I would sell, it is just such fun to drive.
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goldnrust
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Thanks guys grizz, I've a big soft spot for MX5s too. Initially I only drove a car as a way to avoid riding my motorbike in the worst of the weather, but about 6 months after learning to drive I had a short ride in an MG Midget, which was such a revolutionary experience that I ended up buying an Mx5 days later. I had wanted something similar to the Midget and had my heart set on a Triumph Spitfire, but my Dad talked me into an Mx5 by explaining that the Mx5 embodied all of the spirit of those British sports cars but in a more reliable and everyday useable way. Having now owned a reasonable selection of rusty old classics, including the Triumph Spitfire, I can confirm he was right! That first drive home, in my 88hp (low power model they did in UK cars for 96-97) base spec Mx5, will stick in my mind forever. It was one of the best drives I've ever had. Perfect weather, roof down and enjoying being behind the wheel in a way I'd never experienced before. That car stayed with me for 4 years, and various incarnations, and I had 2 more Mk1s (as cheap stop-gap cars) and a Mk3.5 (which I didn't get on with in the way I'd hoped I would). But as I learned more about how many interesting cars were out there and my knowledge and spanner skills had improved, I wanted to experience other cars and other types of driving. Like young people who leave small towns to go find the bright lights of the city to seek their fortune, despite having a great car in the Mx5 I needed to go out there into the world of cars and explore, try exotic things and take risks. And like those same people who, having had enough of the ups and downs and intensity of city life, end up returning to that small town in their 30s, maybe now I'm ready to come back and appreciate Mx5s for what they are. They're not rare or exotic or especially fast ,but the are simply fun to drive. My 3 previous Mk1s were all UK cars, kevins, and all of the suspension components have looked like they came off the Titanic, and the bodywork not much different, so I ended up doing stuff like this (It did get fixed and was used daily by my Mum for 7 years afterwards) ...  ... so I'm really rather pleased with how this one is looking! |
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this is what I do to ours every couple of years,  plus pull the front arch liners out and hover the leaves out plus the same wax treatment, seems to be keeping it in good order. The MOT history can give you some idea of the use ours has quite a few brake issues which I suspect is stuck calipers due to lack of regular use. Depending on how it was done the recorded mileage may be a bit high, ours has the original speedo with a 1.61 gearbox in the cable, so whatever it did in Japan would be in km then the rest in miles when it came to the UK, I have the Japanese service book but no idea what it says! |
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I approve. Decent early cars, even decent Mk1s are becoming rare - remarkable considering how many were sold here nd how many more came over a grey imports. They are dying out at a hell of rate and good ones are going to see their values climbing soon. Hopefully this will encourage people to save more of them.
This one looks like a good starting point and has got very lucky falling into your capable hands
Nick
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Interesting that you say about a conversion gearbox in your speedo cable to correct KM to M...... do you know who makes/supplies these? Trying to fit a NA MX Box in a Triumph GT6 at present and the speedo gearing is way out. Had resigned myself to getting the speedo recalibrated but spotting a potential alternative here!
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1967 Triumph Vitesse convertible (old friend)
1996 Audi A6 2.5 TDI Avant (still durability testing)
1972 GT6 Mk3 (Restored after loong rest & getting the hang of being a car again)
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bstardchild
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The MX5 (Eunos) are such a great little car to drive - I've never owned one but have had the pleasure of driving on on a trackday - lots of fun Downside for me has always been the soft top - My last soft top was an MG Midget - I drove it everywhere all year round with the roof down as when it was down there was only one hole - when it was up there were hundreds - was like being in a mobile shower when it rained!!!! Good luck with this one  |
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Love mk1 mx5's. I've just picked up another.  Been sat in this garden for 10 years. |
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goldnrust
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kevins Looking back through the online MOT history, its been recorded as 170k KM, 170k Miles, and 118k Miles at various different times... So I think it was on 170k KM and then at some stage the whole instrument cluster was changed for a UK spec (it's got the 140mph speedo and trip in miles) set that were clocked to the approximate correct millage. On top of this I've heard that lots of the imports were routinely clocked to approx 70k KM at the docks in Japan... So there really is no way of knowing the true milage. The wear on the seats and stuff in this one does suggest it's probably a relatively honest millage though. Yes I was surprised how rare Mk1s are becoming vitesseefi! As you say, there were so many sold and so many more imported, it's kinda mad to see them becoming thinner on the ground. I think lots have suffered from being cut up as engine and drive train donors for other projects recently, and while they're common and cheap people will also give up on them for the kind of rust that would have a Mini or Beetle buyer thinking they'd found an absolute gem. The Mx5 roof is a long way from that 70s British soft top roof bstardchild! With my Spitfire it made little difference whether the roof was up or down, it was just as noisy either way and rain found various ways in when it wanted to. With the basic ventilation in the Spitfire I found I often needed the windows down in the rain anyway to help keep the screen clear so water got in that way too! The Mx5 is noticeably quieter at speed with the roof up, and aside from the single drip that always seemed to land on my knee the first time I brake hard after closing the door (was there same in all 3 of my Mk1s?) it was leak free and the Mx5 heater is less of a heater and more of a portable sun, so the ventilation is less of an issue! That Mk1 looks tidy in that photo ianlea73. Hopefully you can get it back on the road in time for the spring enjoyment. I did a bit more on mine this afternoon. I started with a simple task, to investigate why the throttle pedal made a weird noise when you pressed it right to the floor. I was fairly sure it would just be a bit of trim that wasn't clipped in place properly or something, and that was indeed the part fo the problem. But things soon escalated...  The other half of the problem turned out to be a cracked pedal box.   A previous owner clearly had a very heavy right foot! Removing the pedal box had been a bit of a fight, but fixing the problem was simple enough with a blob of MIG and I added an extra little brace to help support it.  Not especially pretty, but perfectly functional repair. Fitting it back into the car was soon accomplished and the pedal feel was much better, so it was a successful fix With the impending lockdown, there will be little opportunity to drive this over the next few weeks, so I'm just gonna make sure I go through it all properly so that first drive does justice to the Mx5 experience, rather than having to drive round problems. With that in mind, while under the dash, I spotted that the clutch master cylinder was leaking so I shall put rebuilding/replacing that on the 'to do' list. I'll look at the slave too, as it's a common Mx5 failure.
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Last Edit: Jan 4, 2021 22:42:08 GMT by goldnrust
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bstardchild
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Love mk1 mx5's. I've just picked up another. Been sat in this garden for 10 years. Why do people do that.................. Yeah I know why been there!!!! Good luck with that one too |
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goldnrust
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Jan 31, 2021 18:01:39 GMT
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I'm not really sure where the past month has gone, but it's gone somewhere! Mx5 progress has been fairly slow, as I've been focusing on getting my motorbike back together, but progress has been made slowly but surely. Once my stack of new parts had arrived I started by rebuilding the clutch master cylinder.  Which was fairly straight forward. The bore cleaned up fairly well, and the new seals should help keep the fluid in the system, rather than dripping down into the carpets in the footwell (as was happening previously). I popped that back in the car and also bolted up the new clutch salve.  I think I might have an oil leak? Anyway, as well as the clutch master rebuild parts, I also received the brake rebuild parts. So I stripped the sticky front brake calliper down and rebuilt it with fresh seals and a new piston. When I first looked at the calliper it looked like the piston would be ok, but once I had it all apart on the bench I found some fairly nasty pitting on the piston. Service parts like this are dead cheap, so it made no sense to chance it with the old piston. I hung on for an extra couple of days while a new piston made it's way to me in the post and then I was able to re-assemble the calliper.  New brake pads needed soon, I'm well aware! haha. The plan is to upgrade to the 1.8 sized pads and disks in the near future. To do this you need a set of the 1.8 brake carriers, which handily were included with the car so I'd be silly not to do the upgrade. In the mean time there's a few hundred miles own those pads so will get me out on my initial test runs just fine! So that oil leak... just like leaking clutch slaves and sticky brake callipers, anyone who's owned a Mk1 mx5 will not be surprised to hear that the leak was coming from the crank angle sensor. So I ordered a new CAS seal and cam cover gasket. When they arrived I whipped the cam cover off.  That's looking fairly healthy in there. A little more carbon build up than some of my other Mk1s but not too bad. The cams look good, no signs of scoring or anything. Removing the CAS, it was clear the leak had not gone un-noticed by a previous owner.  A new CAS seal is £1.20, there's probably more than £1.20 worth of silicone on there! Anyway, it didn't take long to clean that up, remove the old plastic-hard seal (which broke into pieces rather than flexed) and slipped on the new new soft rubber seal. I then popped the new cam cover gasket in and bolted it all back together. My new belts had arrived also, which meant I could reassemble the engine bay completely.  A quick test and the engine fired right up, it's a 90s Japanese car, I don't know why I'd even doubt it! As I'd had the CAS out I needed to reset the base timing. Again as anyone with a Mk1 Mx5 knows the factory 10° BTDC setting is now considered a bit conservative and there's a good improvement to be had from advancing it to 14° BTDC. So that's what I did! With the mechanical side of things coming along nicely it was time to turn to the cosmetics. Having failed to find a set of standard gauge faces to replace the aftermarket white ones currently fitted, I decided to just buy a complete replacement cluster and swap that in. There are lots of subtle differences to the gauge clusters over the years, and I struggled to find the exact one I wanted, but I settled on an alternative on eBay. When it arrived, it wasn't what I'd ordered... but was actually the correct cluster for this car after all. haha. Early cars like this came with chrome trim rings round the two main dials as standard. My first Mk1 was a later poverty spec car (windy windows etc!) and that didn't have the chrome rings. I've always preferred the blacked out gauges, so before fitting the gauge cluster into the car I popped the chrome rings out.  After that it didn't take long to fit the gauges and to my eyes it's a very big improvement over the white.  Also on the cosmetic side, I figured I should really get round to bolting up my replacement wing. It came with the car already poorly primered, complete with primer overspray onto the front bumper and door. I will paint it silver properly, but that's really going to take some time to do properly, and certainly some warmer weather. In the mean time I just wanna get the car put together, so a quick once over with some (black) paint that I happened to have on the shelf to keep any corrosion at bay and then I could bolt it up.  It's not a great look currently, but it's functional! Maybe it'll look cool when its sat low with some nice wheels, kinda race car functional... or maybe it will continue to look like someone dinged the original wing and has just bolted a replacement up The list of things to do before it's ready to drive is getting shorter and shorter now. I need a new side repeater, which is ordered, but that's easy to do. The main thing I've got left to do is to give the car a proper going over with the Bilt Hamber underbody and cavity wax I've bought. It's too clean to risk going out on winter roads without giving it a fighting chance. What's holding me back on that so far is the enthusiasm to get under the arches and floors and wash off the dirt currently hiding there. I'd like it to be warmer before I do that! haha. |
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Jan 31, 2021 18:49:48 GMT
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After 3 attempts to get our cas to seal (genuine mazda seals) I eventually used silicone as well (a light smear not a bucket full!), might be why yours has silicone.
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Last Edit: Jan 31, 2021 18:50:54 GMT by kevins
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glenanderson
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Jan 31, 2021 21:43:47 GMT
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We had a Mk1 Eunos import for several years. Cracking little car. My wife still misses it very much. I picked up a Mk2 for a friend of a friend the other day, to store it for a week or two while he arranges collection; it reminded me just how much I liked our Mk1.
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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I missed this thread... another mx5 addict checking in - looking forward to seeing what you do with this one. It does look in incredibly good condition!
We picked up an almost matching silver '92 eunos in December to keep us busy through lockdowns. It had clearly been cherished in the past but is generally rough around the edges now and needed a lot of work to get through another MOT, but they really are getting thin on the ground and picking up in price! We're now in the middle of a mk2 drivetrain swap, VVT engine (rebuilt + forged rods and supercharger), big breaks etc and I'm wondering why I do this to myself.
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goldnrust
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I've got my fingers crossed that the new seal will fix this leak kevins. The old seal was probably the original, it was hard as plastic and definitely past it's best. I don't think I'd be able to spot any slight weep anyway, as the engine's so dirty from the previous leaks. At some stage I'll take the car round to a garage with a jet wash, and blast off the crud, but there's no mad rush on that. They are just very good little cars aren't they, glenanderson. Good to hear you're saving another one gryphon. I was also genuinely surprised at how thin on the ground Mk1s were when I looked recently. In a few years time I'm sure people will be cursing themselves for not buying a mk1 for £800 when they were offered one, same as they do for Minis or Beetles or anything else like that. Progress has been slow since the last update, partly as I've mostly been working on the Daimler and partly because there's not really much more to do till I've done some proper miles in it and decided what I want to do next. What I have done is to swap out the old CD player that came in the car for the slightly newer one that has been in the Daimler until now. Mostly I did this so I could have an AUX input to play music from my phone, but also it had been bugging me in the Daimler a it was too modern looking, and too brightly lit at night. I found a few missing screws in the centre consul trim, but nothing broken. I was fully prepared for a big jumble wires, scotch locks and about 5 inline fuses from various radio installs over the years, but I was stunned to find a shop-bought ISO wiring adapter in there. So it was a very straight forward swap.  I was pleased to find when I turned the radio on that this car has the headrest speakers option, something my previous 3 Mk1s haven't had. I was then equally disappointed to find that all of the speakers are very old and knackered. It's probably a better sound if I just played the music from my phone speaker . Another job for another day! Next I thought I'd investigate the drivers window adjustment, as it came up far too high. Pulling the door card off (which was gloriously simple to do compared to the Daimler ones!) I saw a new window regulator. When I bought the car the windows were both intermittent in their operation, which from previous Mx5 experience I was sure would juts be dirty contacts in the switch, something I sorted a couple of days into my ownership. I do hope a previous owner didn't pay for a while new regulator instead of just cleaning out the switch for free!  The window adjustment problem was very obvious once I'd taken the door card off. When the new regulator was fitted, they'd put the window alignment stops in upside down  You can see the marks in the rubber where the plastic stop should have been up against it. 30 seconds with a 10mm socket and it was sorted. Which really means that all is left is to go for a drive. As I'm working from home, and wit the stay at home orders in a place I've had very little opportunity to drive recently. I think it was possibly 2020 when I last put fuel in one of my vehicles! But a couple of days ago I did need to take a drive that would be about an hours round trip, and the sun was shining, so...  I started the trip with a noisy tappet (I've almost complete my check card of standard Mk1 Mx5 issues) but once I'd got some temp into the engine it soon settled down. I'm pleased to report that the trip was concluded with no drama. Everything worked. The car felt tight and together, much more so than some of the other Mk1s I've driven. No nasty noises, no clonks and bonks, etc. As this is my 4th Mk1, it wasn't a 'revelation' or anything, but it was pleasant. Cable throttle... so nice after a couple of years of only driving (manual gearbox) cars with fly by wire throttles. Though it does mean I've got to re-learn how quickly and sensitively it responds for things like smooth heal and toe. Having owned my Triumph Spitfire since I last drove a Mk1 Mx5, I can really see how people make the comparison that they are very much just like that small British sports car but just 'better'. Its certainly that same lovely feeling with the roof down, and the simple no frills fun driving experience, but the Mx5 also works nicely as a 'car' as well as a toy. I've got a long mental list of potential mods, but for now I'm just looking forward to getting some more opportunities to drive it and to properly reacquaint myself with the Mk1 Mx5 experience. |
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glenanderson
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Feb 21, 2021 23:18:05 GMT
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Cool. I certainly wish we’d been in a position to keep our Mk1 as a toy rather than selling it (for £1,150), but at the time of parting it just wasn’t feasible. I’d happily consider another now though, but it’d have to be a tidy one, and not mucked about with.
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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goldnrust
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Mar 13, 2021 20:34:45 GMT
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If 'not mucked about with' is your preference for an mx5 glenanderson, then you best look away now! I've been using the mx5 whenever possible, for the few short drives that I'm needing to do at the moment, and thoroughly enjoying it.  It's probably since I sold my Rx7, back on 2011, since I last truly enjoyed that involved proper 'driving' experience this much. So the Mx5 won't be going anywhere any time soon. With that in mind it was time to start throwing money at it. As I'm writing this up on Retrorides, we all know that has to start with lows and wheels. Lets start with lows. I wanted it to be able to go low, but it's a road car not a track car so I didn't want anything too stiff with with too harsh a ride. After some time researching and re-familiarising myself with the coil over options out there for MX5s, I settled on the Mesiter R Sportive coilovers. These are a fixed damping version of their very popular ZetaCRD coilovers that seem to be the 'go to' for Mx5 owners. They are designed to be road focused and designed to be run fairly low while retaining a decent ride. We shall see!  And for wheels, the 'go to' wheel size for Mk1 Mx5s is 15", but personally I was looking for something a bit more retro feeling and so sticking to 14" with a chunkier tyre would aesthetically be more what I was after. I would have loved to be able to get hold of some vintage SSRs or Work Equips, as I did for my Rx7, but the budget was not that big. One of the few designs of after market wheels available in 14" are the classic 8 spoke Watanabe/Panasport/Minilite/etc style design made by Japan Racing. I didn't want overarches or anything so settled on their 14x7 et0 size.  The gunmetal centre would not have been my first colour choice, but it was this or wait several months for stock. The centres are easily paintable though, so will see what happens there! Once the Daimler relinquished my axle stands, I could get the Mx5 up in the air and start seeing how things were going to work out. Step 1 was going to be removing the old shocks and making sure all the suspension bolts were free. I have only done the drivers side so far, but I was pleasantly surprised at how most of it came apart. The front dampers have clearly been replaced relatively recently and I think they must have replaced a fair bunch of the bolts at the same time. It looks more like parts from a 10 year old car than a 30 year old car!  The rear lower shock bolt, that can cause issues as the captive nut inside the wishbone breaks free, was thankfully easily removed, but the very last bolt I tried to free off, one of the rear alignment bolts, sadly sheared.  Thankfully the bolt is not seized into the bush, so it will be easy to replace. There are lots of stores of people finding all 8 alignment bolts are seized, so I'm pretty happy to find 3 of the 4 I've checked so far are free. With the old shocks out, I obviously had to test fit the wheels and jack them up to the approx ride height that the coil overs suggest they are run at.    Yes, that's going to work!  Before I get too excited though, there's some prep work to do. Looking at the above photos, it's clear that the arches are going to need rolling. While I've got the shocks out is the best time to do this, as It makes it easy to jack the wheel through its full travel so I can roll the arches enough to never scrub without going over board. With the arch lips rolled flat this is going to create a bit of a rust trap, so before I roll the arches my actual first step has to be some rust prevention. The first step of that was one of the jobs I've not been looking forward to. I got under the car with a hose and a brush and washed all the road dirt and grime out from under the arches and along the floors.  Once I'm confident the car is really dry then I'll be able to apply the underbody wax I bought a few weeks back. In the next few days I'll hopefully also get the passengers side shocks out and suspension bolts freed off. Maybe next weekend I'll be in a position to see how it looks on its new suspension and wheels for real! |
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Great looking coilovers, car's going to sit just right.
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Last Edit: Mar 13, 2021 21:14:42 GMT by ianlea73
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Once I've actually driven it a bit then we can talk mods... I've been on eBay looking at silly wheels and motorcycle throttle bodies already 
