dan91
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Oct 15, 2020 19:09:16 GMT
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Apologies if it's already been said i didn't read every post.
But you can report this yourself to VOSA. Friend i worked with bought an early 2000's accord that had been MOT'd a week prior to him buying, a few weeks later the rear axle literally fell out of the car due to rust, had a towbar and lived its early life coastally, can only assume it was lowering boats into the water maybe?
Either way, he reported it himself directly to Vosa as the garage would not deal with him/speak to him, they came and did an inspection and got him his money back, they then took the car as evidence.
Admittedly they probably wont do anything in terms of your money for a private sale, but if you get VOSA involved you'll hopefully get whoever did the MOT dealt with correctly and if you wanted to recoup some money its perfect evidence for a small claims court. Independent report from VOSA rules out any he says she says rubbish.
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Finding out who MOT’d a car?Mercdan68
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Oct 15, 2020 20:21:57 GMT
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Just gone back through the thread again Tbf to the seller £2k is the price for cortina needing work Seems you are now breaking the car to recoup your money The mot garage issue I personally think is not worth following up, I don’t think it will get you anywhere It’s a bitter pill to swallow but as others have said ford scene tax has seen many overpriced rotten turds appearing for silly money, £2000 is a small figure so it probably told its own story Hope breaking it returns your money
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Finding out who MOT’d a car?ballbagbagins
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Oct 15, 2020 20:33:36 GMT
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Just gone back through the thread again I personally think is not worth following up, I don’t think it will get you anywhere I'd follow up on the mot. A potentially lazy/incompetent/dodgy tester may pass something that is a danger to other road users and pedestrians.
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This is one of my concerns with the MOT exemption stuff, I know my Sunny came back without a working horn (which seems an obvious MOT failure) and a fresh MOT! When I took it for its next MOT there were a few more things I'd not realised where also issues. So hidden rot, or something that looks tired but is more than just tired and a bit frilly around the edges still being legitimately on the road is a worry.
I do also worry about how much you can trust MOT history from something like this, if it is MOT'd and passing MOTs with advisories you expect it to be at least roadworthy (as pointed out the person selling this car was using it regularly, you don't do that if you expect it to fall apart any minute). I'm guessing a good educational thread for us all, and please avoid letting it fall into any mud-slinging.
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tofufi
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What's the general consensus on this? I find it interesting that it's had 3 MOTs at 3 different stations in 3 years. To have taken it to one station for years to get hooky MOTs is one thing, but to find 3 different ones all of which will give it a bent MOT sounds a little less likely. Be interested to see what state it's in
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I expect most of us have bought a car with a full test at some point then found something that made us wonder.
The MoT history and advisories are good but not infallible. I've had a few cars where advisories have miraculously healed up. I suppose one man's slight play in a pin or bush is another man's normal for the car in question.
I recently bought a car. It passed the MoT before I bought it. I know it needed a few bits because the seller told me but there's no fail on record. And yes, the few bits have been done.
I do find the MoT exemption worrying. I know people with old cars who know very little but consider themselves experts. I consider the opinion of an independent expert very important but they won't. If people are dragging old snotters out of long-term storage they were put in because they were shot to pieces, that's even more worrying.
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I have had both side of this before, my Suzuki supercarry had a fresh mot when I bought it, I can only assume it was done over the phone.
I have also taken a few cars, fully expecting a fail and got a clean bill of health! I don't use that garage anymore 😂
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I have also taken a few cars, fully expecting a fail and got a clean bill of health! I've had that a few times over the years. Once with an old wagon of mine, the garage called to say how it got on and I fully expected a fail, so when the lovely lady from the garage called to say it was all ok with no advisories I couldn't help but blurt out 'f*****g hell, really?' over the phone ... that car went on for years after that, so I assume it's just that I'm either very fussy, or slightly pessimistic!
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Oct 16, 2020 10:03:00 GMT
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I'm interested how much for the rolling shell with v5 to race then? It won’t be rolling as some people have their name on certain parts already, but if the totally bare shell is of any use to you at all, it’s yours FOC. Thanks that's a really generous offer but as a totally bare shell I wouldn't have enough scroungable panels to build something. I'm sure if you are able to spend the time then people will pay good money for body cuts as they aren't exactly easy to find these days. Otherwise I can stick it on oval chat for you and someone else will want it
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Oct 16, 2020 13:07:14 GMT
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My SLK I bought in June had non-working washers and a small bullseye to the windscreen right in front of the driver, but no mention of them in the MOT. As the testing station was right next to the garage and was done just before lockdown - the mileage read the same, I find it highly unlikely that these were not there when the test was done.
I replaced the washer pump (cost £11!!) and will sort the windscreen on an "as and when" basis. I don't think it was suspicious - more a "get these done before selling it" as it was the dealer next door. Then lockdown messed it all up before I bought it in June.
I reckon there's a lot of "next-door agreements" that go on within the Motor Trade, which are then mysteriously not fixed.
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Oct 16, 2020 13:30:36 GMT
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My SLK I bought in June had non-working washers and a small bullseye to the windscreen right in front of the driver, but no mention of them in the MOT. As the testing station was right next to the garage and was done just before lockdown - the mileage read the same, I find it highly unlikely that these were not there when the test was done. I replaced the washer pump (cost £11!!) and will sort the windscreen on an "as and when" basis. I don't think it was suspicious - more a "get these done before selling it" as it was the dealer next door. Then lockdown messed it all up before I bought it in June. I reckon there's a lot of "next-door agreements" that go on within the Motor Trade, which are then mysteriously not fixed. My grandad bought an Astra, same situation as yours, that had 12 months MOT. Gear change was a bit strange, needed lining up properly so took it to the garage he uses the same week, the comprehensive fail list it had failed on, then passed the next day with no mileage change, had not been done, as in not a single piece of it. We only found this out as it was before the time before we knew we could check online, and he had no fail sheet so as far as he was concerned, it had a clean bill of health. Got a lot of his money back (think he ended up paying around 200 for a 900 car), mot station was closed within the month, and we kept the car and I did the work on it.
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hamk
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Oct 18, 2020 12:26:16 GMT
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The cortina in question was solid last year had engine fitted developed shocking leak into shell car was sold to welder in Fife retro wibblepoo v8deo for 1500 quid with the promise rear chassis leg repair was done 90 quid panel to buy as water ingress over lockdown lost my job and couldn't get a welder to do work chassis sections are 60 quid each car was not worst I've seen gave 3 years enjoyment was loved seems like folk over think structure my uncle's 3 year old escort split it's sill seam under a jack pity good car is broken it had mot exemption so should have been welded as was promised to me by new owner a welder !
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Last Edit: Oct 18, 2020 16:45:07 GMT by hamk: The car had only one month of mot on it the boot filled with water it was taxexmpt and mot exempt from April it's mot exempt I sold it to welder with
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Oct 18, 2020 12:43:18 GMT
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Ok. Here it comes. Assuming you owned the car you now say you sold it with a fault. Call me devils advocate, and I'm only assuming, not stating, the car was motd on the proviso the car was welded. The time from mot to sale is roughly the unwritten rule of 3 months advisory on corrosion to when the car was sold. Keeping up? Now, with the pandemic looming someone, not saying who, spotted a cash cow due to the exorbitant amounts rusty old fords change hands for. Now, in footage I've seen it was claimed the seller had 2 people rock up at the same time which suggests a stale mate bidding situation. The car then sold to it's new owner who is a, no offence, dockyard welder. Thin rusty fords are a pig to get strength into. So the car re sells to a poor soul who seems the car sub standard. I'm gonna call it as tough luck all round. That's the 2nd hand car game, cut throat, underhanded and greedy
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Oct 18, 2020 13:15:22 GMT
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I do find the MoT exemption worrying. I know people with old cars who know very little but consider themselves experts. I consider the opinion of an independent expert very important but they won't. If people are dragging old snotters out of long-term storage they were put in because they were shot to pieces, that's even more worrying. I know of a car thats a prime example of why the MOT exemption is a bad idea. It 'passed' its last MOT 2 or more years ago, seldom gets used, when it does get used the brakes are either stuck or binding, goes 5 miles down the road, and then sits for another month or 2. Since its last MOT nothing has been checked or serviced, and it will continue to get used until something stops working. I, for one, wont travel in it, if it gets sold I wont have anything to do with it. The bodywork is deteriorating so I shudder to think what its like underneath.
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hamk
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Oct 18, 2020 13:42:50 GMT
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The cortina in question was solid last year had engine fitted developed shocking leak into shell car was sold to welder in Fife retro wibblepoo v8deo for 1500 quid with the promise rear chassis leg repair was done 90 quid panel to buy as water ingress over lockdown lost my job and couldn't get a welder to do work chassis sections are 60 quid each car was not worst I've seen gave 3 years enjoyment was loved seems like folk over think structure my uncle's 3 year old escort split it's sill seam under a jack pity good car is broken it had mot exemption so should have been welded as was promised to me by new owner a welder !
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Oct 19, 2020 10:11:48 GMT
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Hi I am interested in the shell ideally with panels. but interested without. its rusty i know but its far better than the shell i am trying to restore.
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Oct 19, 2020 10:18:53 GMT
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I have sent you a message. thanks
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Oct 19, 2020 15:55:02 GMT
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Any chance of some pics of how bad the rot is ?
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colnerov
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Oct 19, 2020 16:19:44 GMT
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I find it interesting that it's had 3 MOTs at 3 different stations in 3 years. To have taken it to one station for years to get hooky MOTs is one thing, but to find 3 different ones all of which will give it a bent MOT sounds a little less likely. Be interested to see what state it's in Hi, It could be they were following the tester around. Colin
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Oct 22, 2020 15:12:22 GMT
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Any chance of some pics of how bad the rot is ? Here are a few of the highlights, but there's lots. This is before being touched in any way. The car is now being broken and some parts have already been sent away to help other Cortinas live on.
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