stealthstylz
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Now the modern stuff has spread out a bit I can finally reply to this hahah. I'm very actively looking at XC90's, pre facelift, petrol, 3.2 or 4.4. I'm also looking at probably the mid-top end of the market around 9-10k, with full service history. What level of concerned should I be about the potential gearbox issues at this end of the market (or is it an across the board thing?). How are they in comparison to say a Land Rover (Discovery 3 I guess!?) or Range Rover? If you buy a Disco 3 or Range Rover I will personally track your house down and set it on fire so you at least get a insurance payout. Horrifically bad cars. |
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Rich
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Volvo xc90Rich
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Now the modern stuff has spread out a bit I can finally reply to this hahah. I'm very actively looking at XC90's, pre facelift, petrol, 3.2 or 4.4. I'm also looking at probably the mid-top end of the market around 9-10k, with full service history. What level of concerned should I be about the potential gearbox issues at this end of the market (or is it an across the board thing?). How are they in comparison to say a Land Rover (Discovery 3 I guess!?) or Range Rover? Buy this. No snappy cranks, no blocked EGR valves, no strange electric parking brake failures, no transmission weirdness because it’s a 3 and a half clutch semi auto robotised manual or something.. just reliability and also you don’t look like Karen taking her kids to preschool. www.ebay.co.uk/itm/224167940700Failing that, if it’s too MOAB, MAN, try this: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/143779753429(Totally understand the want for a modern CUV, just thought I’d throw some retro about  ) |
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Last Edit: Oct 10, 2020 8:51:29 GMT by Rich
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norm75
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Oct 10, 2020 10:07:08 GMT
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Now the modern stuff has spread out a bit I can finally reply to this hahah. I'm very actively looking at XC90's, pre facelift, petrol, 3.2 or 4.4. I'm also looking at probably the mid-top end of the market around 9-10k, with full service history. What level of concerned should I be about the potential gearbox issues at this end of the market (or is it an across the board thing?). How are they in comparison to say a Land Rover (Discovery 3 I guess!?) or Range Rover? Disco 3, well, one of my clients has just got rid of his, let him down a few times so it went to a LR specialist and with an endless list of 'well that might fix this problem and that might fix that problem' the cost would mount up and make it uneconomical to repair. He was looking at a new dashboard, to fix the handbrake he was told £600 for a part and around £400 to repair that, just the handbrake alone. Base spec without air suspension are better, often see these scrapping their belly on the floor because the suspension has failed. XC90 auto box woes are across the board I believe, I'm guessing you've done your homework but they do petrol engine in 2.5T 5 cylinder, 2.9T6 cylinder, 3.2v6 and 4.4v8. When looking at xc90's with my wife's business partner we looked at a T6 petrol auto at car giant. On test drive the gearbox was hunting all over the place. Eventually she bought one from Volvo main dealer (D5 auto) that was £17500 against around £12000 for one from car giant, but the finance payments from Volvo actually made it cheaper than the lower sticker prices car from the used car supermarket. As said she has had the rear pinion problem fixed that they suffer from, which wasn't a cheap fix, but it has been reliable since. As they are a heavy car they can wear suspension bushes, central electronic modules (or cem) can be a problem (on all volvos) that control the centre console (heater settings, audio etc) and rear load compartment handles can be problematic. T5 and D5 engines are strong, as are manual gearboxes. I think (I might be wrong) that you can get a T5 manual, but if this is the case they will be as rare as hens teeth. Autos apparently needed a gearbox flush/software upgrade but don't know what year this was needed until, and I am not sure if this is why there are stories of auto gearbox failures. D5's first came with 163bhp non dpf engines, then latterly with 185 and 210bhp. Volvo D5's equipped with dpf suffered from a problem where interrupted regeneration caused diesel to start filling up the oil sump, causing the oil level to rise (and diluting the oil) and making the car go into limp mode, meaning a trip to the dealer for a forced regeneration and fault code erase. Volvos idea of a fix was to recall all affected vehicles and apply a sticker in the engine bay advising the oil never to be topped up above 3/4 full mark on the dipstick. Therefore any dpf equipped Volvo D5 needs to have a good service history and evidence of regular oil changes for peace of mind. |
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eternaloptimist
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Oct 10, 2020 13:14:42 GMT
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I’ve got a 180k XC70 D5, 2004. It was a one owner car with 120k when I bought it 30 months ago. It had been well looked after. I’ve only used quality bits on it when it’s needed anything (not needed anything other than consumables) and followed advice around flushing the gearbox. It all gets a bit horrible when you buy something that’s been run by someone who goes cheap in maintenance. Got a mate with a 56 plate XC90 with a similar mileage who looks after it, it just works. Buy one that’s been looked after and you’ll be fine. The V8 looks like a really interesting choice, many more sold in the US than the U.K. It’s a Yamaha engine so should be pretty sound.
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XC70, VW split screen crew cab, Standard Ten
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vertex
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Oct 10, 2020 14:31:11 GMT
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Oct 10, 2020 15:07:53 GMT
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Import something modernish and big from the states 4x4 or crew cab pick up will have the same comfort and spec level, probably not far off mpg, all the never see a field 4x4's are massive money pits if any of the warning lights come on and really only built to last the first higher purchase/lease owner. Plus you will look much cooler ( possibly ).
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andy88
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Oct 10, 2020 17:22:56 GMT
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Import something modernish and big from the states 4x4 or crew cab pick up will have the same comfort and spec level, probably not far off mpg, all the never see a field 4x4's are massive money pits if any of the warning lights come on and really only built to last the first higher purchase/lease owner. Plus you will look much cooler ( possibly ). What is parts and maintenance like running a modern American car in this country? Also many of them won't fit in most parking spots I would imagine, but that might not be a problem depending where you live and where you will mostly be taking it. |
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Oct 10, 2020 21:34:25 GMT
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Parts and maintenance are no more an issue than anything else just use a specialist or order direct yourself on the internet, Obviously i don't have lots of experience with lots of different none uk models so couldn't tell you don't have that model or this model for these reasons like with XC90's or Range rovers and i could well believe American cars have the same problems as the others mentioned and could well be massive money pits as well but i have had to order parts for 70's and 80's american stuff and newer grey import J stuff and never had a problem so i wouldn't let that put ME off. Parking really that's why you would buy a 4x4 with low profile road tires because its easy to park  and an Audi Q7 isn't a small car. I think this conversation could go on and on with reasons for and against i personally would say XC90, anything 4x4 with rover in it's name (except the proper ones which wouldn't be considered anyway) or thinking about it any big Audi or VW would scare me to own due to the massive bills that DO come them but if its for an everyday runner the real final decision would depend on what you could convince the wife to drive (only a light-hearted comment) i am lucky as mine is happy to cane an R32 gtr or drive a lhd manual H3 hummer to santa pod ( those roads are narrow) or a £50 fiesta, now if i got a long wheel base crew cab F something or other would she take it up the multi story probably not but if i had a Porsche 4x4 she would take it in there and catch the alloys on every curb so swings and roundabouts. The question was XC90 yes or no my opinion no get something more interesting that might be more reliable but would need to be really bad to be less reliable. |
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oilit
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Oct 13, 2020 19:35:09 GMT
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the gearbox and haldex issues are due to Volvo saying they are 'sealed for life' (i think they say only change if towing or taxi use)- it has affected the autos since about 2000 that I am aware of in V70's.
The irony is that the gearbox is used by others like Saab whoe recommended regular oil changes, and haldex is used by VAG group who also recommend regular oil changes.
There is another forum or videos on Youtube explaining this is detail - the secret is oil changes every year in the auto box and haldex - there is also a school of thought that says only do a gearbox sump dump, refill, drive 300 miles, another sump dump, 300 miles, repeat. (rather than a total fluid flush which can cause different problems with the gearbox (guess which method the Volvo garages use to save time and then quote a new gearbox).)
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I had an '03 plate d5, bought with 170k and no history. It was the cheapest I had seen and thought I couldn't go far wrong for £1200. The AWD was broken as usual but everything else worked fine. MASSIVE inside with the seats all down - fridge freezer, tumble dryer, lawnmower, assorted garden tools and other guff all at the same time. I put 30K on it over 3 years, only problem it ever had was an injector seat (£12 kit from Volvo). It was a hack, though a tidy and extremely comfy one. Lots of room for a 6'5" salad dodger too, and an excellent towcar.
The last year I had it it started to delay ever so slightly when selecting drive. Dark times clearly ahead, but it kept on keeping on - then it didn't. Heading home late one night it dropped out of drive of it's own accord, then popped back in. Sensing my journey could end in a walk, I diverted towards my workshop. When all forward motion ceased to be an option a mile further down the road, I was lucky to be off the main road and on country lanes. I managed to get reverse, and tootled the last 4.5 miles backwards with the revs rising and the burning smell getting worse all the time. It never drove forwards or backwards again, though the engine ran as well as when I got it.
Sold it for £600, so managed 3 years and 30k for £600 (man maths). Do I miss it? Yes. Would I sink 8 or 10k into one? Hell no, the gearbox will die just the same. It's basically an XC70 box in a much heavier body and they just don't last. Also, apart from an extremely light facelift, the very first looks identical to the very last (before the new shape Mk2) so your just putting more money at risk if the gearbox goes. When it does, there's no point in a second-hand 'box as you don't know when it will fail, as fail it surely will.
Buy a cheap one, give it a good polish, a set of new headlights and enjoy it while it lasts.
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Man maths is the best and only reliable form of money management
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and an Audi Q7 isn't a small car.