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I’ve been looking at 4x4s recently and there are a lot of Volvo XC90s around for very little money. The interiors are lovely, they are big and roomy and pretty easy on the eye. So why can you pick up a nice condition one with fairly low miles for their age? Unless there is something massive wrong with it the seller doesn’t want to disclose Unlike this guy who mentions burning this one to the ground
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I'm guessing that due to the premium sort of beastie that it is, that maintenance and repair costs are rather expensive. How does the equivalent BMW & M-B 4x4 of the same age compare pricewise?
Very safe cars though - even when the design was eleven years old, it still easily passed the latest and nastiest crash test that the IIHS (US equivelent of EuroNCAP) had to throw at it.
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nel5on
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The 4wd system can fail, usually still drives OK, climb under and turn the rear drive shaft...if you can its failed....mine worked fine "failed" for 60,000miles I had it, but was a problem in the snow. Liked mine, but insurance was high....7 seats! You will need "Vida" software too....removing the radio trips the Airbag light...and doing anything else too!
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Last Edit: Oct 4, 2020 19:23:10 GMT by nel5on
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Don’t do it - had one and it was the worst car I’ve ever owned. This was about 6/7 years ago, but my experience was- Replacement injectors were £250+ each (x5), Volvo parts generally are very expensive - even for small things like bolts. I thought the build quality was a bit poor (seat leather wore very easily). The front headlights nearly always go cloudy (again even 2nd hand ones are expensive). The head units are part of some car wide fibre optic system. So for example you can’t just replace the head unit for something better. Mine also developed an ABS fault in the dash which seemed horrendously expensive to fix. Sold mine as spares and lost a lot on it.
Ive had two Volvos and unfortunately I’ve been completely put off them - shame as I like a lot of them!
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andy88
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I'm guessing that due to the premium sort of beastie that it is, that maintenance and repair costs are rather expensive. How does the equivalent BMW & M-B 4x4 of the same age compare pricewise? I think all these kind of vehicles (Merc ML, BMW X5, Lexus RX, Audi Q7 etc) are in the same boat generally. You could find examples of any of them for less than 5 grand but they're never going to be cheap to keep in full working order, especially when they get to 15 plus years old.
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Last Edit: Oct 6, 2020 20:36:21 GMT by andy88
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I really wanted one, planned to buy in April, reading to many stories of expense and not a great on road drive... So I’m now looking at xc70’s. 😁
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Bicycle x1 Alfa Giulietta (now wife's) Alfa 156 BMW 630i
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I don't think I have seen one for sale that wasn't broken.
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I don't think I have seen one for sale that wasn't broken. Same. I was interested in these whilst looking for a new car last year as they seemed like a lot of car for the money but I don't think I found one that didn't have AWD or gearbox issues, most of which were hideously expensive to rectify. I will say that I was looking at relatively cheap cars, so I'm sure there are good ones out there but they'd cost more than you could justify on an old car with inevitable high mileage. Also, it seems the gearbox will fail, whatever you do.
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norm75
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My wife's business partner has had one for the last 10+ years. I've borrowed it quite a few times, and don't mind the way it drives. She has had the awd problem and had it fixed, something to do with the rear diff. It's a haldex system I believe which are part time awd (I think) I'm on my 4th Volvo and they all seem to suffer with electrical gremlins, as do a lot of more modern cars. Auto's needs a software update, Manuals are rare but none the less don't suffer the same gearbox fault.
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I'll just leave this here:-
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Old Fords never die they just go sideways
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A breath from the proverbial lowering stick does a lot of good. Almost looks like a Volvo
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Hell no, butch them up.
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Last Edit: Oct 7, 2020 17:55:28 GMT by waynedear
Bicycle x1 Alfa Giulietta (now wife's) Alfa 156 BMW 630i
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neil79
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I'm guessing that due to the premium sort of beastie that it is, that maintenance and repair costs are rather expensive. How does the equivalent BMW & M-B 4x4 of the same age compare pricewise? I think all these kind of vehicles (Merc ML, BMW X5, Lexus RX, Audi Q7 etc) are in the same boat generally. You could find examples of any of them for less than 5 grand but they're never going to be cheap to keep in full working order, especially when they get to 15 plus years old. I’d have an RX 300 again in a heartbeat, we had ours for 7 years and only have good things to say about it. Bought it at 7 years old and sold it at 14 years old. Fantastic reliability, comfort, toys galore, everything just worked. We spent about half the amount on running it for 7 years than we spent in less than a year with the Range Rover Sport that was supposed to replace it, which was 5 1/2 years old when we bought it. We now have a cayenne, which is currently so far so good out with the knackered (cracked) transfer case which was changed FOC on a recall.
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Laters
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Friend of mine has had a few xc90's and has had a couple of gearbox issues. His cars do get a hard life so its not totally unexpected. From driving his and being a passenger in them they are a very capable car when everything goes right. The gearbox problems haven't put him off buying them & this was after he had to change the box on the last one.
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Garage Queen, 1987 Quantum Saloon
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Now the modern stuff has spread out a bit I can finally reply to this hahah.
I'm very actively looking at XC90's, pre facelift, petrol, 3.2 or 4.4. I'm also looking at probably the mid-top end of the market around 9-10k, with full service history. What level of concerned should I be about the potential gearbox issues at this end of the market (or is it an across the board thing?).
How are they in comparison to say a Land Rover (Discovery 3 I guess!?) or Range Rover?
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pOG
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THIS. Had one, absolute money pit. We loved the space & flexibility of the inside, the looks, the interior comfort... but what a hopelessly unreliable motor vehicle, again injectors! A constant source of issues, replaced them all... twice... in less than 18 months. Ouch. And the turbo failed. Ouch again. And then the brakes failed (!!!) and enough was enough. Safest car in the world, right? And this wasn't a monster mile banger, this was a sensible mileage one with full history, and we do not scrimp on maintenance. Oh and the geartronic gearboxes are utterly horrible even when they are working 'properly'. Bovine mooing and constantly fidgeting between ratios.
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What are our alternatives? I put a well specced Landy and a fair standard Ranger Rover in the same category. X5 Beemer? ... I had a look at the Lexus RX300, in fact I have it open in another browser tab before switching to this, I've already forgotten what it looked like, it is really the John Cena of SUVs.
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Last Edit: Oct 9, 2020 21:00:10 GMT by HoTWire
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pOG
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Disco 3/4 & L322 RR may have their issues, but enough folk out there now to put them right without it being totally wallet-emptying.
X5's are only worth looking at from 2008 onwards when they upped the power and downed the emissions / VED burden IMO... but I understand they can still be somewhat temperamental.
Left-field choice (if you absolutely HAVE to be all SUV about things)... Infiniti QX70? Face that only a mother could love but may be better screwed together?
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brc76
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Between a few of my family we have had a crack at a lot of them
X5 first gen 4.4 from new to about 70k - great. was almost fault free X5 second gen 4.6 from new. I think it was traded in under a year. It was terrible to drive after the first X5. Floaty, boaty in all the wrong places where the 1st gen had been much more car like. Oh and the interior creaked and groaned in the cold. Could not be solved. XC90 first gen V8 lasted till approx 100k front end rebuild was on the cards. Interior was pretty worn but very comfy. ML500 it was ok... ML320 diesel. Good economy, but terrible detached feeling driving it.
Edit Forgot the Q7 my sister has. It drives like an Audi. Also has had an engine rebuild, under warranty, the 3.2 supercharged versions are susceptible to, but I can't remember what it was.
My GF has a RX400h that she's had from 1 year old. It NEVER goes wrong. Yes it does kill the engine batteries every couple of years, but it's knocking on for 165K and feels like 1/2 that. Some of the trim has started to wear now, but it's currently coping with 3 kids.
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Last Edit: Oct 9, 2020 23:23:49 GMT by brc76
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All my daily drivers have been volvo. I have a 12 plate r design xc90. D5 ENGINE is good. Pulls caravan easily. I have an independent guy so a major service including haldex, bosch wipers, etc is £300. Good service history is a must. The only major drawback is the turning circle. It's rubbish. Had an s80 mk2 before this and it was much easier to turn in the road. I put the premium diesel in mine and I think that can help. The petrol v8 would be awesome. Best wishes Jed
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