Dez
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This is my ten thousandth post on this ere forum and I’ve been saving it to tell you about tale about an impressionable teenager, a lust for rusty old cars, and a unicorn. My unicorn. For those who haven’t heard the term, a unicorn is a mythical creature, one that keeps getting away from you. So in this case, it would be one of those cars that’s very hard, nearly impossible, to track down and end up owning for various reasons. It might be finances, it might be not that many were made, it might be they were never sold to your local market. It might just be life getting in the way and making the circumstances too difficult for you. I suppose strictly speaking everyone can only have one unicorn. I can tell you more or less exactly when and where this unicorn appeared to me. It was April 2002, and I was in the sixth form common room of the Hayfield school near Doncaster. I was 17, and I was rather getting into cars by that age. I’d already had a couple of beetles for a couple of years. But I was also buying hot rod magazines and pouring over them for ideas, and my main beetle had various hot rod mods- satin black paint, louvered bonnet, engine turned ally panels, etc. This was the car that really grabbed my attention. Jimmy shines bare metal ‘34 pickup truck. At that point I knew exactly what I wanted instead of the beetle I currently had. Back then this car was big news. It won some award at a fancy indoor show in the states, totally turning the hot rod scene over there on its head. Things were all still rather street-roddy at that period, and this newer breed of ‘new school traditional’ cars were something fresh. It’s also kinda responsible for the rise of the ratrod, but to call this car a rat rod is rather offensive I think. It’s better finished than most street rods, just not painted. Unfortunately, it’s also almost single-handedly responsible for the massive price hike in ‘32-‘34 ford pickup cabs. So much so they now make repro steel ones now like they do ‘32 coupes! As a ‘34 ford pickup was way beyond my means (at the time there were probably only half a dozen in the country, and even back then they were a money car), I had to content myself with the other features in that magazine, and as a result my beetle got a V-ed front bumper like Wayne Allmans car instead. Although Mr. Shines 34 wouldn’t be exactly to my tastes now after 15+ years experience of building hot rods, the idea of a chopped and channelled traditional-ish 34 pickup never left my mind. As a result of this, one of the first hot rods I ever tried to buy about 3-4 years later was a chopped and channelled model A pickup. Tbh looking back it wasn’t that well built and the seating position reflected this. But there was no getting round the fact at 6’4”, I couldn’t actually get in it no matter how I folded my limbs in. I ended up with a model A sedan instead, which I still have. Over the years I’ve owned and built various other hot rods, but that ‘34 was still there in the back of my mind. Fast forward to march 2019, pretty much exactly 17 years later, and I see half a ‘32-‘34 pickup cab for sale. This obviously piques my interest. But it’s only half a cab. It’s the cowl without firewall, a dash panel and a full roof skin. It’s a bit rough but not bad for the money. I dismiss it as being too incomplete, then find myself looking at how difficult it would be to source a cab back. The answer is very. You’re talking thousands plus shipping. Complete cabs with doors etc. Are now easily 5 grand plus shipping. Things get very expensive very quickly. Definitely pushed out of my mind and forgotten about, I carry on with other things. Then a few weeks later a cab back pops up for sale in the UK! This is too good to believe. I message the guy immediately. The cab back turns into a cab back with subfloor framing and some repair panels. I go back and find the advert for the cowl and roof. It’s still available. This is meant to be. So I drop a couple of Gs on some rusty old bits of pre-war pickup, and drive down to London to collect half whilst simultaneously sending a pallet courier down to Devon for the other half. A few days later and the two halves are united. I’m over the f-king moon with my doorless, firewall-less purchase. I’ve done it. After 17 years of it niggling away I’ve caught that unicorn. Then comes the plot twist. THIS ISNT THE ‘34 PICKUP I CURRENTLY OWN!
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Last Edit: Oct 4, 2020 14:34:49 GMT by Dez
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Yup! I recognise that cowl. He is constantly buying and selling random stuff that never fits what he's "building". His build plan changes almost weekly. A nice piece of synchronicity.
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Proton Jumbuck-deceased :-( 2005 Kia Sorento the parts hauling heap V8 Humber Hawk 1948 Standard12 pickup SOLD 1953 Pop build (wifey's BIVA build).
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Dez
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And I won't sit down. And I won't shut up. And most of all I will not grow up.
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So I’d got this bare cab, with no firewall and no doors. The firewall wasn’t too much of a concern, although 33-34 firewalls are different, 32 ones fit and reproduction ones are not hard to get hold of. I figured I’d probably end up making something custom anyway. Doors were more of an issue though. I could have got some fibreglass ones, although they’re quite expensive I could source them in the UK. But for similar money I could bring in some steel ones from the states. I was looking at £800-£1k per door including shipping for rusty but repairable original panels. Even though that’s quite expensive for one panel, overall it would still make my cab cheap as a full package. Before I commit to such expense, I try advertising for the missing bits this side of the pond. A guy I actually new (he’s local) replies to my add saying he’s not got spare doors, but he does have a full cab package for sale after a change of plan on one of his projects. He’s about 10 miles away from me. This is unbelievable! Not only that, it’s very well priced. It’s not cheap, but I can afford it. I get that funny feeling again. I eagerly await pics. They do not disappoint. Apparently it’s now been painted blue though. I arrange to go see it ASAP. It is undeniably very blue. But also a complete steal at his asking price given the condition. It’s missing the dash panel but that’s about it really. It even has the floor panel and seat riser still in it. I transfer him the cash there and then and have to wait a week for it to be delivered. The day comes and a friend with a transporter drops it off. And that’s how I went from having no 34 pickup cabs to two in the space of a month. I took the dash out of the first cab, put it in the second one and then advertised the first one without doors. It sold immediately for very nearly what I paid for the second one! Then buyer was obviously as keen about getting his hands on a 34 as I was, he drove down overnight from very far up in Scotland with a horse box on to put it in! Even breaking down halfway to Essex and having to get a taxi to a motor factors at 8am in the morning to buy an alternator didn’t deter him.
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Last Edit: Oct 4, 2020 15:25:52 GMT by Dez
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Dez
Club Retro Rides Member
And I won't sit down. And I won't shut up. And most of all I will not grow up.
Posts: 11,712
Club RR Member Number: 34
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Hunting UnicornsDez
@dez
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Yup! I recognise that cowl. He is constantly buying and selling random stuff that never fits what he's "building". His build plan changes almost weekly. A nice piece of synchronicity. The synchronicity continues a lot further than that! As mentioned previously, I ended up selling him a project of mine off the back of this deal. Which freed up the running gear/chassis from another project to go into this. It really does seem like it was meant to be.
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Dez
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And I won't sit down. And I won't shut up. And most of all I will not grow up.
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So I’d got this rather minty pickup cab (which is a damn good start), but pretty much nothing else to turn it into a vehicle. As crockpot has mentioned, the guy who i bought the ‘34 cowl off is quite changeable in his projects. As a result of the conversation that happened when I bought it, 2 months later he was at my workshop buying my full kit of ‘38 ford pickup body parts I had collected, plus a chassis and axle to sit it on. This meant I had a spare rear axle, suspension, and flathead engine and gearbox, as he already had his own running gear to use. These parts I had left over varied in date from 1936 up to ‘47 or so, but a lot of it is fairly interchangeable, and ‘close enough’ when building up a car from scratch like I am that you will have something registerable at the end of it. That is also part of the decision of why it currently has a flathead v8. The engine itself was a leftover from the ‘47 truck/ranger project that I hung on to as I knew I’d need it to register certain vehicles. I decided that as I’d sold one ‘38 (the pickup) id also sell the other one (a sedan) so I could concentrate resources on this project. I advertised it as a kit of body parts and again it sold quickly. This left me with another set of axles and a flat-packed chassis plus some spare bits. I cherry picked the best running gear stuff (mostly the more desirable ‘35-‘36 parts) and sold the rest on. The released funds bought up any bits I didn’t have to fill gaps, and some fancy vintage speed parts for the flathead. Again, all unbelievably synchronous in how it happened. After years and years thinking this would never be, We’re talking weeks for it to happen, it literally all just fell into place.
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Dez
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And I won't sit down. And I won't shut up. And most of all I will not grow up.
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Club RR Member Number: 34
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I think I should probably stop there before it turns into a build thread, but I’ll skip to the end and say the truck is now in one piece, and not far off being ready to register. It’s been put together slowly in the background whilst other things were going on (it’s taken about 18 months). I’ve got to buy some tyres so it can come off the chassis table, and I’m borrowing an original pickup bed off a friend in a couple of weeks to copy, but it’s chopped and channelled and all the running gear and chassis is done. The point of this thread? It’s not to show off as you may think, but more to show the point that if you’re stubborn enough, no unicorn is unattainable. It may take you 17 years, but then everything can drop into place in a few months and you’ll wonder why you ever doubted yourself- as long as you keep trying. One thing I’ve really learned as well is focus. I’ve got (and have had over the years) loads of cool cars, to the layman. But never the one I wanted. I know HARDCORE has had a similar epiphany recently too, mylittletony to an extent too. It doesn’t matter how cool everyone else thinks your car is, if it’s not the ‘one’, you’re wasting your time. You should be spending that time getting the one you really want, or suddenly you’re retired with a limited lifespan left and a head full of ‘I wish I’d....’ I’ve had a utterly curse word last few years for various reasons, and it would have been perfectly understandable to most people if I’d just jacked everything in. but right in the middle of it all falling apart I’ve managed to pull this off, which has only given me further determination to put everything else that’s going wrong right again.
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What a fantastic write up. I don't really have a 'unicorn' as such (well, unless we're counting stuff like 'Revenge' or maybe a Countach/Pantera) but there are things that are very close. A few months back I was kind of let down with a model A closed cab that I was hyped ready to own but it went cold. This very weekend I narrowly missed out on a T-Bucket (which I'd intended to C-cab eventually) which was also not to be. I now have a very itchy trigger finger whilst browsing all manner of classifieds and auctions, until reading this sentence... It doesn’t matter how cool everyone else thinks your car is, if it’s not the ‘one’, you’re wasting your time. And you're right. I'd be buying just for the pure sake of it. I'll be holding off until that 'unicornification' appears. Thanks Dez.
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I love stories like this. People get all wibbly-knee'd when they walk into my workshop and there are three BMW E30s being restored or an E21 on air or the 3 E24s. They can't fathom my complete disinterest in those, or why I'm so excited about getting my hands on a Skoda Rapid Convertible I pursued for a decade. Man, it gives me goosebumps just thinking about it now, 9 months later. I get it, what your '34 means and feels like to you. Have you a build thread for it? I'll go look, as that would be a subscribe for sure.
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"The point of this thread? It’s not to show off as you may think, but more to show the point that if you’re stubborn enough, no unicorn is unattainable. It may take you 17 years, but then everything can drop into place in a few months and you’ll wonder why you ever doubted yourself- as long as you keep trying." You are right. Here is a pic of my unicorn. Reading Allan Staniforth's books set me on the trail of Mallock racecars, and the more I found out about them the more I wanted one. I knew it had to be a early swing axle front suspension car, so that meant Mk6 or older. The hunt was on but no internet in those days, so multiple phonecalls from Holland ( where I lived ) to several used racecar dealers in the UK. Almost every month, for at least 5 years. Until one of those dealers had one. I rushed over to go look. It was MK6 but in bad shape, the body had been modified from its original spec, and it once had a 1860 steel bottom end Twincam which had been sold out of it. But I was in love... I even got to work on it with Arthur Mallock, and at the time it was one of the 11 known surviving Mk6's. And I still own it today... Congrats on finding your unicorn Dez. I know exactly what that means...
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Brilliant thread. For me it's about getting to the point where I have the space and budget to get started. All of the ingredients are available, but I've got to finish the garage extension and a million other jobs first.
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duncanmartin
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I think this is my unicorn. There is a NZ based company making replicas www.carteroni.co.nz/ , but I simply don't have the funds to build one right now. Obviously they would need IVA, and I don't think any of those cars have ever been through IVA - I should probably read the rulebook and see if it could even be possible. I don't have the skills necessary either, but one failure step at a time.
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there's a guy on facebook building one, Nial Evans, using a cut up Montecarlo, like the factory
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duncanmartin
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there's a guy on facebook building one, Nial Evans, using a cut up Montecarlo, like the factory I'll have a hunt for that, thank you - glad I posted now. The Carteroni process starts with a Montecarlo too. It's a shame to chop up such a cool and rare car, but the 037 is cooler and rarer!
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Fabulous story Dez - thank you for sharing. My Unicorn is a GTM Coupe. Not an earlier Cox GTM (although they're awesome) but the later 1980s version built for 12" wheels. They only made a few hundred of them but they do turn up from time to time, generally in pretty usable condition. I have never been in the position to get one though be it storage or spare cash. Classic Mini-based, they're mid-engined and I like to think of them as a Ferrari Dino that's shrunk in the wash. Two Mini front subframes were used, which bolted to a steel tub. The top is fibreglass. Ideally I would like a yellow one, but hell, I would even have a brown one. If and when I get the Midas finished...
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I will never be as cool as this photo. Loving the inspirational thread Dez ... look at us, all grown up. My Unicorn is Gerry Marshall's Aston Martin V8 'RO2'. I know the current owner, so I'm a step in the right direction, now I just need to gather the funds to make him an offer he'd actually go for (I'm not sure he'd sell it to be honest, but he has two of them, so it would be greedy to keep both ).
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Haha... The car is cool. The dork sitting in it has what my wife now calls my Charlie Manson look...
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Fabulous story Dez - thank you for sharing. My Unicorn is a GTM Coupe. Not an earlier Cox GTM (although they're awesome) but the later 1980s version built for 12" wheels. They only made a few hundred of them but they do turn up from time to time, generally in pretty usable condition. I have never been in the position to get one though be it storage or spare cash. Classic Mini-based, they're mid-engined and I like to think of them as a Ferrari Dino that's shrunk in the wash. Two Mini front subframes were used, which bolted to a steel tub. The top is fibreglass. Ideally I would like a yellow one, but hell, I would even have a brown one. If and when I get the Midas finished... I have shared your unicorn for many, many years, not sure I'd fit nowadays
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I absolutely love this thread. Thanks for taking the time to write and share.
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Dez
Club Retro Rides Member
And I won't sit down. And I won't shut up. And most of all I will not grow up.
Posts: 11,712
Club RR Member Number: 34
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I love stories like this. People get all wibbly-knee'd when they walk into my workshop and there are three BMW E30s being restored or an E21 on air or the 3 E24s. They can't fathom my complete disinterest in those, or why I'm so excited about getting my hands on a Skoda Rapid Convertible I pursued for a decade. Man, it gives me goosebumps just thinking about it now, 9 months later. I get it, what your '34 means and feels like to you. Have you a build thread for it? I'll go look, as that would be a subscribe for sure. See this is a something I’ve become accustomed to with the eclecticness of the cars at my workshop. When I get a visitor it’s often surprising what car they’re most interested in given the Calibre of some of what is here. There’s full-on badass £25k chopped and channeled rorty hotrods sat right there, which you’d think most people would go straight for. But often they’re more interested in a bone stock 60s yank or even a modified lada. I find it quite interesting tbh, and as this thread shows, everyone’s unicorn is different.
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Dez
Club Retro Rides Member
And I won't sit down. And I won't shut up. And most of all I will not grow up.
Posts: 11,712
Club RR Member Number: 34
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See I just see that pic and think I bet a guy From the Netherlands who looks like that Knows how to party 😉😂 Tbh I know absolutely nothing about these racecars, but the feeling is mutual really, if that’s what turns you on I’m happy you’ve got your unicorn.
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Last Edit: Oct 5, 2020 20:26:50 GMT by Dez
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