Dez
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Oct 22, 2021 20:32:27 GMT
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Well, that remains to be seen! There’s a reason it was seen as a fair swap for a stock Octavia. It runs, drives and is on the road (just about) but has a whole list of bodges and sh1tey ‘mods’ that need sorting. It’s not massively rotten though which is big news for one of these. It needs bits but there’s Probably only one bit of welding that would stop it going through another test.
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Dez
Club Retro Rides Member
And I won't sit down. And I won't shut up. And most of all I will not grow up.
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Oct 22, 2021 21:15:36 GMT
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Well, I’ve banged it on the ramp for an hour to see what it actually needs, and what I’m going to do with it. It’s got a month or so test left on it so it’s make or break for it really.
1.-dislocating front chopped springs. I’ve drilled the cups and wired em in for now but if I keep it it’ll get coilovers. 2. Amazingly Bolloxed bottom balljoint on the pass side. Ordered a new one. £6.88! 3. Rear tyres shagged out. Ordered the finest (cheapest) budgets I could to get it legal. Tyres have gone up a lot recently aint they? £66 for a pair. 4. One front wheel has a flat spot on the inner lip so I’ve swapped it onto the back for now. A couple of them are quite kerbed too. 5. Rear exhaust. Its not there. It’s been unbolted where it kicks up over the axle and binned. So Sc3Ne. Bought a new one for £36. Coming from Poland though so I hope I don’t get stung for duty. I’ve paid VAT on it though so I shouldn’t under £135 if I’ve read the new regs right? Exhaust will Proably stay stock-ish but I might take the mod box out for ground clearance reasons. 6. Fan is wired to a flick switch on the dash. Investigation shows the switch on the rad has a terminal broken off. Bought a new one. £8 🙄 would have been easier to buy one rather than do the elaborate bodge to bypass it. 7. Front crossmember under rad is bashed in. I think it’s probably been crashed at some point. It’ll stay like that for the mo until I pull it out or make something up. Not rotten thankfully. 8. Stereo on permanently. Needs a switched live finding. 9. Drivers speaker grille missing. 10. Has some other seats bodged in, very badly. There’s enough of the original rails left to sort em out though, just need to pick something to go in with thin bases/backs (I’m tall and the cab ain’t roomy). 11. No v5. That’s a ballache but I think I should be able to tax it at a post office with a v62 if I’ve read the website right. 12. No rear springs. Yeah, you read that right…. I’ll put some back in then probably make up some drop plates to keep it low but with ride quality. 13. Bit of grot on rear shock turrets. Where they ALWAYS rot. Not bad for one of these by any means, but it’ll want attention at some point. Doesnt show underneath though so actually MOTable. 14. Drivers window falls off the runners when you wind it down. 15. Gear linkage very sloppy. Needs rebushing/replacement.
So yeah that’s why it was ‘cheap’! There’s also various cosmetic issues but I’m ignoring those for now. Nothing insurmountable, all easy and cheap little jobs and I can tell even from a short suspension-less drive, this has potential to be a really fun little roundabout.
It has Good points though. -New screen last year at £170. -New ECU and associated parts the year before due to water ingress. -Wheels are 4x100 15x8 et30. I think they’re XXR. Worth not far off what I ‘paid’ for it. -rear floor removed and reskinned in decent thick ally, with reinforcements added underneath. That’s Probably why it hasn’t rotted too bad. - sills, rear pockets, crossmember, tailgate etc are all original and unrepaired. They need the unseal tidying to prolong them and possibly one bit of welding on a sill end but I was genuinely surprised at their condition. -it’s a 1.3 petrol. Given how older diesels (especially commercials) are being treated in the current climate, I see this as a big plus. It should be future proof for town centres. -really quite nice newly made tonneau cover. - it looks quite cool.
So, it looks like I’m fixing it…
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Mark
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Oct 24, 2021 14:03:25 GMT
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Great thread Dez, hugely informative and interesting, just like your build threads. Its also got me back into my RR mojo after a 2 year hiatus
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Dez
Club Retro Rides Member
And I won't sit down. And I won't shut up. And most of all I will not grow up.
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Club RR Member Number: 34
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Oct 25, 2021 10:05:04 GMT
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Great thread Dez, hugely informative and interesting, just like your build threads. Its also got me back into my RR mojo after a 2 year hiatus Cheers man, just think you’ll have the pleasure of seeing some of these in the flesh soon 😬 My mojo is taking a battering a bit at the mo tbh, between a stupid workload to achieve my goals, being spread across two locations (so double costs for a lot of things) and constant parts delays and hassles some projects are wearing a bit thin. At least with having so much on the go If I hit a wall with something can just swap to something else to keep making progress. Change/rest and all that.
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mrbig
West Midlands
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Oct 25, 2021 10:14:51 GMT
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This. Is. Awesome.
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1969 German Look Beetle - in progress
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craig1010cc
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It’s a cool little beast that, I do like them in pickup and car form. The 1.3 is actually quite a sweet little lump, and pretty economic too.
I seem to recall someone on here had a 1.3 pickup and lowered it and it ended up on its roof (rears locked up due to the load proportioning valve)
Focus or mk4 golf front coilovers are usually used on the front of these (although they need the hubs opening up slightly I seem to recall) and I think mk4 golf rear springs are used in lowering the pickups (mk1/2 golf coilovers are used on the hatches)
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Rich
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I seem to recall someone on here had a 1.3 pickup and lowered it and it ended up on its roof (rears locked up due to the load proportioning valve) Dave. But I’m sure that was an excuse as I never had issues with mine, nor did the other lad who had a Matt black 1.9D caddy.
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Dez
Club Retro Rides Member
And I won't sit down. And I won't shut up. And most of all I will not grow up.
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Club RR Member Number: 34
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It’s a cool little beast that, I do like them in pickup and car form. The 1.3 is actually quite a sweet little lump, and pretty economic too. I seem to recall someone on here had a 1.3 pickup and lowered it and it ended up on its roof (rears locked up due to the load proportioning valve) Focus or mk4 golf front coilovers are usually used on the front of these (although they need the hubs opening up slightly I seem to recall) and I think mk4 golf rear springs are used in lowering the pickups (mk1/2 golf coilovers are used on the hatches) Yeah, I joined the owners group on FB and did some reading. Current plan is to fix all the smaller/cheaper bits then drive it a bit to see if I want to bother doing the coilovers or just sell it. I’ll do the rear properly with drop plates though which it seems no one ever does with these. I can see the 1.3 getting more popular than the 1.9d with the current persecution of older diesels tbh. From the short drive I’ve had they seem to go pretty well for such a diminutive motor.
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Dez
Club Retro Rides Member
And I won't sit down. And I won't shut up. And most of all I will not grow up.
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Club RR Member Number: 34
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I seem to recall someone on here had a 1.3 pickup and lowered it and it ended up on its roof (rears locked up due to the load proportioning valve) Dave. But I’m sure that was an excuse as I never had issues with mine, nor did the other lad who had a Matt black 1.9D caddy. I know loads of people who’ve had em (often with highly questionable suspension like this one) and Dave is the only one that managed such a feat, so I also dismissed as Dave being Dave 😉
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Dez
Club Retro Rides Member
And I won't sit down. And I won't shut up. And most of all I will not grow up.
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Oct 26, 2021 20:46:09 GMT
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Well bits are turning up so progress is progressin’ Balljoint first. It’s easiest to remove the arm to do these so you can batter the sh1t out of it in the vice. Those rivets can be hard to get out even with the heads ground off and part drilled! Magic. And back on. It took a bit of hammering and wriggling to get the balljoint back in the hub but other than that it was pretty straightforward. I then noticed that where the starter motor has recently been replaced, whatever hamfisted spanner monkey had done it had damaged the attached reverse light wiring doing so, which would explain the no-worky reverse light. Here I’ve unwrapped it a bit and stripped the wire back. And here I’ve soldered it, heatshrinked and wrapped it back up, and clipped it up as it should be. Fixed! Similar was done to the fan switch. It has been bypassed at this end and some twincore appliance (it was brown and blue!) wire run up to the dash. To this. Bodgetastic. I repaired the wires at the bottom end- Wrapped em back up and fitted the new switch. The original issue was one terminal had broke off in the switch. Can’t believe the efforts someone went to to not spend £8 on a new switch…
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Last Edit: Oct 26, 2021 20:48:02 GMT by Dez
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Dez
Club Retro Rides Member
And I won't sit down. And I won't shut up. And most of all I will not grow up.
Posts: 11,790
Club RR Member Number: 34
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Oct 26, 2021 21:17:47 GMT
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Feeing quite pleased with that, I had a look at the exhaust. I knew the back half missing wasn’t the only issue, it had the telltale dribbly soot marks around the join at the back of the cat showing it was blowing there too. I took it all apart to find someone he obviously been in there before, adapting a short stub on pipe on to sort a break at the flange. The method was sound, the execution was poor. Ignoring that for a second, I first ground and filed the mating surfaces of the flange and the cat flat to give it a chance of sealing. I then cleaned up the existing weld and it was obvious the weld itself was full of pinholes. So that got chopped off, binned and a new stub of stainless pipe welded on. This was then refitted with some new stainless bolts and some paste on the flange as I didn’t have a gasket. I neglected to take a pic of it, but the existing mid section on the exhaust is a tight fit into the stub of pipe, I’ll weld it together rather than the current U clamp, but not until the new back half is on (when it turns up) to check the fit of the whole system. So leaving that for now, I decided to have a look at the drivers window. I took the door card off to see what was going on and why the window tipped when wound. Rear mount was fine- Front mount. Oh. That’s not actually clamped to the glass. It’s just resting on it. Fishing round in the bottom of the door provided what I was looking for. That’s the bit that should be attached to the glass. I cleaned it up, pinched the U-channel slightly tighter in the vice, then tapped it back into place on the glass. A bit of reassembly later and we have this- Success! One last thing was I noticed the window scrapers were on wrong. The inside ones were on the outside and vice versa. How it was- no channel for top of door card to fit into. Other side with em swapped back over. Top of door card is much more solid now. And the outers look much more sensible being smaller, and the back corner being shaped/finished. I assume they got mixed up when being refitted after the paintjob. And this evening I got an absolute score on some seats on Facebook marketplace. Tbh they may be a bit ‘too good’ for the car, I was actually looking for some rover 800 recaros or similar but I couldn’t find anything. but I’m going to have a look at how they sit in the car tomorrow before I decide.
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Last Edit: Oct 26, 2021 22:27:52 GMT by Dez
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Oct 26, 2021 21:22:32 GMT
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Loving those seats! What are they from???
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Dez
Club Retro Rides Member
And I won't sit down. And I won't shut up. And most of all I will not grow up.
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Club RR Member Number: 34
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Oct 26, 2021 21:31:44 GMT
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Loving those seats! What are they from??? Citroen BX gti, specifically the 16v models. Non-16v got less cool ones. Even the winged bolsters on them adjust in and out by turning a knob on the side!
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Oct 26, 2021 21:34:42 GMT
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I shall investigate further then, thank you very much for the info.
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Dez
Club Retro Rides Member
And I won't sit down. And I won't shut up. And most of all I will not grow up.
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Club RR Member Number: 34
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Oct 26, 2021 21:48:50 GMT
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I shall investigate further then, thank you very much for the info. Tbh I’m Proably not going to be adverse to selling or swapping these ones, I need to size up tomorrow to be sure. But I’ve got a feeling they’re going to be a bit nuts in what is an otherwise very basic 90s ‘roundy’ interior. They’d look great in a mk2 golf or even a mk1 caddy that’s appropriately angular.
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Oct 26, 2021 21:54:40 GMT
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I'll send you a pm rather than cluttering your thread mate.
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jamesd1972
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Oct 26, 2021 22:17:48 GMT
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Loving the new swap, not so sure if your wife might be as keen !
Quote: "I cleaned it up, pinched the U-channel slightly tighter in the wife, then tapped it back into place on the glass."
Please could you confirm if this is the VW 1.3 by this stage or were they still clinging onto the favorit 136 engine ? Whichever still good news since dieselgate.
Keep the updates coming, as much as anything else it made me laugh on a sad forum day.
James
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Last Edit: Oct 26, 2021 22:45:20 GMT by jamesd1972: Can’t spell
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Rich
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Oct 26, 2021 22:30:44 GMT
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Please could you confirm if this is the VW 1.3 by this stage or were they still clinging onto the favorite 136 engine ? Still the old school OHV Favorit engine. Which VW hung onto into the Fabia funnily enough as my mum has a 52 plate with a 1.4 Actual Skoda engine. Likes to rev, goes well when wound up.
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Last Edit: Oct 26, 2021 22:31:02 GMT by Rich
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Dez
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And I won't sit down. And I won't shut up. And most of all I will not grow up.
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Club RR Member Number: 34
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Oct 26, 2021 22:46:10 GMT
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Loving the new swap, not so sure if your wife might be as keen ! Quote: "I cleaned it up, pinched the U-channel slightly tighter in the wife, then tapped it back into place on the glass." Please could you confirm if this is the VW 1.3 by this stage or were they still clinging onto the favorite 136 engine ? Whichever still good news since dieselgate. Keep the updates coming, as much as anything else it made me laugh on a sad forum day. James Lol, predictive text on a phone eh. I’ve corrected it now! It’s the old Skoda mpi engine. It’s modern enough to have separate injectors and a crazy but quite cool 4-way direct mount coil pack, but is presumably fairly old tech compared to what came out only a few years later.
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betenoir
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Oct 27, 2021 22:16:07 GMT
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Focus or mk4 golf front coilovers are usually used on the front of these (although they need the hubs opening up slightly I seem to recall) and I think mk4 golf rear springs are used in lowering the pickups (mk1/2 golf coilovers are used on the hatches) Mk1 Focus coilovers are good for the front. The mk4 Golf struts are larger diameter at the bottom, so they need quite a bit of metal removing from the hub carrier in order for them to fit. Mk4 Golf springs fit on the rear, but I found that lowering springs for the mk4 Golf platform give too much lowering on my Caddy. I rebuilt the suspension recently and wrote it up on my build thread (in my signature), so you can hopefully avoid some of the trial and error which I went through.
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