Dez
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With it inside I carried on with the welding. I’ve found the duty cycle limit of my welder a few times doing this, but then I have done about 60 linear feet of welding with it on nearly full power, and that’s just to finish the two sides or so of each tube. I think theres somewhere approaching 150ft of weld on this bed now! But with that fairly boring job done, it was dragged back outside and refitted. I then marked up and drilled some holes- To allow these to be fitted. Cheapy LED Rear light units and some LED worklights too. Then, lots of wiring was done. I junked the old tail light connectors as one was broken and fitted some new econoseal ones which are almost identical to the factory Ford connectors in design but a slightly different shape. I had to repair some damaged wires where a towbar had previously been spliced in but other than that it was fairly straightforward. I’ll have a third complete light unit already wired up as a spare in the cab so if I smash one it’s a couple of mins (one plug and two nuts) to swap it over at the side of the road. Then it was a case of throwing parts back on to make it complete enough to drive down to get the bed sandblasted. I fitted the new exhaust. I had to weld the tailpipe onto the new box as the box was swaged incorrectly so it didn’t slip in/on. But that’s what happens when a new twin box exhaust is £35 I guess. The new genuine Ford tailpipe was a stock clearance eBay bargain at £9, actually cheaper than the pattern part! The old one. The previous owner had a ‘strapping incident’ and managed to take out this, the prop, the rear brake lines and the handbrake cables with a loose strap, he’d replaced the rest but not this. Replacement bumper had a crack plastic welded by George then was fitted up. The bumper corners are a bit sh1te so I’ll buy new ones (they’re cheap) but we’re fitted up for now. Mirrors were also refitted and it’s looking fairly complete! Complete enough to run it down the blasters anyway. Panel alignment is fairly awful at this stage (it is a transit after all) but that’ll get tweaked around a bit later on, there’s little point doing it now only to have to redo it again later.
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Last Edit: May 11, 2022 9:33:06 GMT by Dez
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glenanderson
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Excellent. Looking really good.
👍
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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Bit of peanut butter and the heat gun and those bumper corners will be as good as new!
And you'll make friends with all the neighbourhood dogs!
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LowStandards
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Had any weight on the first part of the bed yet?
Every bed we've built has much longer drop plates from the rear chassis, giving much more triangluation.
I can't decide if it's just the photos though, as our beds are flat, with and angle at the end, whereas yours is a ramp
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Dez
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May 17, 2022 15:31:34 GMT
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Excellent. Looking really good. 👍 I wouldnt quite go that far yet, but at least it’s one big, movable lump of work-in-progress now!
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Dez
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May 17, 2022 15:32:28 GMT
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Bit of peanut butter and the heat gun and those bumper corners will be as good as new! And you'll make friends with all the neighbourhood dogs! They’re actually worse than they look in the pics, heavily gouged and all the mounting studs broken. Being a transit, a new pair is £40 delivered!
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Dez
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May 17, 2022 15:40:20 GMT
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Had any weight on the first part of the bed yet? Every bed we've built has much longer drop plates from the rear chassis, giving much more triangluation. I can't decide if it's just the photos though, as our beds are flat, with and angle at the end, whereas yours is a ramp Yeah I’ve tried it and it seems fine. It will differ from a beavertail quite a bit in this area. The design here isn’t solely about triangulation though, it’s about where it transmits loads to and cantilevers/bending moments. If the lower bars don’t bear onto the end of the chassis rail and sit below it, you’re actually creating a lever that’s working against your main chassis rails, that’s more than capable of shifting the bed bolts and actually bending stiff. So the lower they are below the chassis, , they more they’re trying to bend to the main rails. Where it comes down to it the point load at the back of the bed is less that 500kg when loaded, it would only go over that momentarily when loading, which would be a static load not dynamic. And 4” box in compression is more than up to that task.
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Dez
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May 17, 2022 20:32:26 GMT
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It’s now taken a trip down the blasters and has come back looking a lot nicer. I got the ramps done too, not cos they were rusty but to key the galv for paint. The chassis was also given a lick over on the crusty bits, which inevitably lead to some more holes appearing, giving me yet more to do. This is the only actual hole though, which is actually fairly good for one of these. The major task now though was to get some paint on it. There was the minor inconvenience of the mrs. catching covid and me having to stop at our other house for a week until she was clear, as the last thing I need right now is a dose of that. but at least it was sat inside the workshop so wasn’t going rusty again! As soon as I was able to come back down, I got the bed off and masked on the top sides. I’ll explain why later. I’d fixed up my original pre-fire bigboy compressor after selling off the other 5 I had somehow accrued since then 🙄😂 It only took a new motor, wiring, socket and plug, belt, gauge, most of the fixings and fittings, a new tank valve and making some new gaskets. A ‘new’ pressure switch was pirated off one of the other compressors, then the tank, pulleys and belt guard were sandblasted, the pump and other sundries you don’t want to get sand in cleaned up by hand and cleaning out and rebuilding the valve block! Looks alreet now though- Most importantly it now does this- Which now allows me to huff large quantities of paint with relative ease. So that is what I did. 1800ml (3 guns full) of primer- Then pretty much 2.5l of topcoat (4 guns full). Painting a ladder frame like this is an awful job, especially one that includes angle. There just SO many faces to have to hit, inevitably you end up knocking the bit you’ve just done with either the paint cup or the hose and you have to touch in, or you can’t see what you’re doing so you’ve got the torch in one hand and the gun in the other. Whilst rolling round on your back on the floor! Only took 8hrs all in😂 I’m pretty happy with it though, despite the runs in it. It’s all one colour and protected, which makes it look half decent. It’s obviously pick up scrapes and scratches in use, and the ability to touch this paint in easily with just a brush or roller is why I’ve used it.
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Last Edit: May 17, 2022 20:46:15 GMT by Dez
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That is an amazing job to get done and out the way Dez.
Compressor looks grand.
Well done.
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May 18, 2022 21:07:23 GMT
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Looking very nice, don't set the panel gaps too tight, with large panels and relatively flexible structure Transit's like most commercials need bigger panel gaps to stop the panels hitting each other.
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Last Edit: May 18, 2022 21:51:23 GMT by kevins
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Dez
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May 27, 2022 20:51:38 GMT
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Looking very nice, don't set the panel gaps too tight, with large panels and relatively flexible structure Transit's like most commercials need bigger panel gaps to stop the panels hitting each other. Yeah 3-4mm seems the norm. Since I’ve driven it they’re all entirely different now anyway!
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Dez
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May 27, 2022 21:30:01 GMT
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Wanting a break from the incessant slog that this thing has become, but not being able to stop until it works, I decided to get the winch finished off. A change is as good as a rest and all that. The winch is a warn 8274, which is the daddy of all winches. When you see some yankee rock crawler hanging off a cliff by its winch wire, it’ll be one of these it’s attached to. It already greatly impressed me with its ability to drag the totally beached out Laurel round the yard. This is from the 70s but still going, although it did need some work. I’d previously stripped it down and cleaned all the Manky old paint off it, and identified any bits that needed replacing. The brake had been welded together and the pawl removed because the friction material had failed, but other than that it was pretty good. I bought some overpriced rebuild bits from gigglepin, the most annoying thing is when a business is based online with a UK web address, then charge you VAT and expensive postage on top of their advertised prices. And with some parts diagrams downloaded off the interwebs, I got it back together. I repainted all the steel bits black after stripping the old paint. The alloy body will be left bare. I’d replaced the clutch lever at the top here as the old one had taken a whack and the baseplate was cracked. I got very lucky in that a local 4x4 place had one on eBay for half the price I could get one elsewhere for, so I swung by there and collected it. The motor body was also cleaned and painted to freshen it up. Here’s the new spring to make the pawl work, which had been deliberately smashed off previously. And that was that really, it’s ready to go on now. I also found someone local breaking a couple of transits that I had a few bits off. Their name was Gill, I assumed that was Gill pronouncing the ‘g’ as you would in ‘golf’. Turns out it was actually ‘Jill’, which confused me somewhat when I turned up to collect! She damn well knew here stuff about transits though, she knew more than most of the male breakers I’d spoken to and was very helpful. She furnished me with a pair of the elusive inner arch splash guards I’d been looking for for ages. One of mine was missing and the other half melted. No point doing all those repairs for it to full up with crud again. Plus some undamaged A-pillar trims. These always seem to get broken by ham fisted removal, but we removed these carefully between us so they’re good. The trick is to deliberately break the clips to save the actual trim. I’ve bought new clips off eBay for a whole £3. And lastly I bought this. Unbelievably it has no wear whatsoever, it just needs a wash. It’s from a mk7 so needs a shifter hole cutting, but mines been cut in half straight down the middle to access the wiring which annoys me so this will get swapped in at some point. They have thicker sound deadening than a mk6 one too. So with those bits sorted, it’s back onto the truck itself…
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Gill wasn’t fredtransit off autoshite was she?
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Dez
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May 28, 2022 12:13:54 GMT
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Gill wasn’t fredtransit off autoshite was she? No idea tbh. North Doncaster area, (when I say local I was up that end at the time), was breaking a couple of mk6/mk7 but mentioned having series land rovers too. I’m sure she was entirely used to having confused people turn up looking for ‘the bloke breaking transits’ only to find out she’s female though 🤣
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Dez
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May 29, 2022 14:53:57 GMT
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Before I could bolt the bed back on, I had to address the extra holes the sandblaster had created. I knew it was a bit scabby in this area (they always are, it’s the difficult to access area over the axle between the arches, so dirt always sits here) but it previously seemed it would be ok for a year or so. The sandblasting showed up this. I think it may have been hidden with something previously. So in for a penny, in for a £75 steel order, and I started drilling spotwelds. I decided to just replace the entire back section of the top plate rather than patching, in a way it was easier and it meant I could clean out in there where I was at it. That’s one off. And the lips ground up. I knew I’d have to replace some bits of these, although I didn’t end up doing as much as I expected really even though I elected to do long runs rather than many small patches. The bits that are still rusty are what I was about to chop out. Other side top plate removed- Then replacing the rough sections of lip. Apart from some flaky paint and minor surface rust the rest do the chassis was surprisingly good inside. It was at about that point my steel turned up. I bought some 150x3 flat to make the new tops out of, I had to cut about 15mm off one edge for em to be the right width, so it was quite a time saver. The stock ones were 2.5mm (where they’d not turned to cornflakes anyway) so it’s only a fraction thicker. Some marking out do the oval holes for the bed bolts- Which were then drilled out along with about 40 million plug weld holes to replicate the original spotwelds. These were zigzagged down each lip as per stock. Then the re-enforcement plates for where the bed bolts down where cleaned up and refitted. And the lip repaired on the other side- Before it also got the same treatment. It was given a mild cleanup, mostly just a despatter and grind the welds on the mating surfaces where the bed bolts on. Some paint was applied to all the bits I’d done, and any bits that were bare from sandblasting. Then the bed could go back on and be bolted down. So that’s another great big job I didn’t want to do done. It was very much a case of just keeping going to get it done, it wasn’t a fun job, but it’s nice and solid now….
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Dez
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May 30, 2022 21:12:24 GMT
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Next I decided I’d best start sticking some ally down. Yes, sticking. No other bed I’ve seen has this done, they seem to just be rivetted or bolted. but it massively increases strength for very little extra weight, as it means when loaded it’s not pulling on the rivets, and it won’t rattle later down the line when the rivets loosen up, so seems like a good idea to me. First I peeled off the masking tape I’d put on the mating surfaces. This means I’m sticking the ally to the actual metal frame, not the paint on it. Some fat beads of ‘tigerseal’. Or the starchem equivalent anyway. I used 4 tubes to do the whole bed and the ramps, so I wasnt shy with it… Then the ally was bedded down and I started drilling holes. Lots and lots of holes. First two panels on. Here you can see I’ve got enough sealant on there to get a little ‘sqidge’ so I know it’s fully stuck. Quite a while later, all 4 main panels are on, and the ramps are also done in the same way. The bed is 2mm, the ramps are 3mm. Looks like f-k all when it’s presented like that, but including trimming down the ally to final size that’s two days work!
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jamesd1972
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Have to disagree - you can see the work that went into that - looks fantastic.
When do we get the money shot of the first car loaded up ?
James
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Yeah, that is a beautiful job...
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Pid363!
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May 31, 2022 15:41:28 GMT
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Looks Puka you see some shocking trucks going about. Exlecent work
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Stupid is as stupid does!
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Dez
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Cheers everyone, I suppose it does look decent if I take a step back. I’m just at the stage with it where I’ve properly had enough of it to be honest. I just want to walk away and leave it for a few weeks and come back to it, but I can’t at the moment.
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