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Sept 6, 2020 19:44:08 GMT
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So what I can gather from this (I got 6/9 btw) is that cyclist rule the road! They pay nothing to use the road, have no insurance but basically have right of way (except pedestrians) Christ, driving in London is bad enough now they have this level of protection it’ll be a nightmare! I’m don't mean to upset anyone on here but I’m not a fan of cyclists Oh really so where does all my taxes go then? What do you pay that I don't to fund the roads? Why do they need insurance, if thy cause damage then they have to pay for it personally if not insured, however you will find most are insured via their home insurance policies for 3rd party damages away from the home. But lets not let all that get in the way of a rant eh. Personally Id like to see strict liability introduced to go that step further. Why do you dislike cyclists anyway?
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melle
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Sept 6, 2020 20:21:56 GMT
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What do you pay that I don't to fund the roads? Exactly this. There is no "road tax" in the UK, there is "vehicle tax", payment of which is a condition for using public roads with a motor vehicle, it doesn't give vader any entitlement to claim he funds those public roads.
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Sept 6, 2020 20:28:07 GMT
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What do you pay that I don't to fund the roads? Exactly this. There is no "road tax" in the UK, there is "vehicle tax", payment of which is a condition for using public roads with a motor vehicle, it doesn't give vader any entitlement to claim he funds those public roads. Its Vehicle Excise Duty inst it? a tariff payed based upon the emissions of your vehicle, for the damage its causing to our atmosphere.
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melle
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Sept 6, 2020 20:30:19 GMT
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Exactly.
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Sept 6, 2020 20:41:30 GMT
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another point missed conveniently by vader is that many cyclists are also motorists so they will have passed a driving test.
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melle
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Sept 6, 2020 20:53:51 GMT
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Yes, it's a bit weird to assume driving a car and cycling are mutually exclusive. I equally love my cars and my bikes.
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Sept 6, 2020 21:06:39 GMT
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More importantly than all this debate is the fact I got 8 out of 9 (got the cycling in the middle of the road thing wrong, but I live in a rural area with national speed limit roads and doing that would be insane).
I wish our cities were more like Copenhagen, it is a joy to ride there (pretty much). However I suspect that may be a result of some fairly major urban planning and already wide streets. Cars and bikes can exist in harmony for sure, just needs a bit of give and take on both sides.
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Sept 6, 2020 21:10:25 GMT
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8 out of 9, impressive
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Sept 6, 2020 21:10:49 GMT
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Yup, I thought I’d get a bettering. I am allowed an opinion tho, right? I do think cyclist should have insurance, what happens if one rides into your pride and joy and damages it? Who pays?You?
And by the way, it wasn’t a rant, just an opinion.
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Sept 6, 2020 21:13:45 GMT
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another point missed conveniently by vader is that many cyclists are also motorists so they will have passed a driving test. Err, I don’t get that one. I never said anything about a test, conveniently or otherwise. i am actually another disliked road user myself, I’m a biker. Which I did take a test for.
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Sept 6, 2020 21:15:16 GMT
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What do you pay that I don't to fund the roads? Exactly this. There is no "road tax" in the UK, there is "vehicle tax", payment of which is a condition for using public roads with a motor vehicle, it doesn't give vader any entitlement to claim he funds those public roads. Don’t get this one either, I don’t think I said I fund the roads.
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Sept 6, 2020 21:16:48 GMT
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Christ, driving in London is bad enough Then don't drive in London, there are smarter ways to get around town, and cycling is one of them. Most European cities (apart from a few post-war ones) aren't made for cars, there just isn't the space. Difficult I’m afraid, can’t carry my toolbox and spares on a push iron. When the van isn’t needed tho it’s parked up and I’ll walk
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Sept 6, 2020 21:24:33 GMT
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Yup, I thought I’d get a bettering. I am allowed an opinion tho, right? I do think cyclist should have insurance, what happens if one rides into your pride and joy and damages it? Who pays?You? You can indeed have and share an opinion and so far discussion is nice and civil, so we'll keep it this way. As a regular pedestrian and occasional bicyclist I think some level of insurance and mandatory helmet is a good idea (are they mandatory now I still see cyclists without them). I'd also like some way to identify a cyclist (in the way cars have number plates) as I've nearly been run down a couple of times (not just a rant at cyclists, vans and yes bikers have done the same at red lights to me in London)
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Sept 6, 2020 21:30:44 GMT
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Always think this whenever anybody mentions the Highway Code
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Sept 6, 2020 21:31:03 GMT
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5 out of 9:, I liked the Highway Code better when it had pictures of Matchbox cars in it. 😳
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Sept 6, 2020 21:38:26 GMT
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I do think cyclist should have insurance, what happens if one rides into your pride and joy and damages it? Who pays?You? The person who damages it needs to pay, just because you have no insurance policy, it doesn't make you any less liable for damages. Also many serious cyclists have stand alone cover and as I said previously most home policies you are covered for 3rd party damages away from the home. another point missed conveniently by vader is that many cyclists are also motorists so they will have passed a driving test. Err, I don’t get that one. I never said anything about a test, conveniently or otherwise. i am actually another disliked road user myself, I’m a biker. Which I did take a test for. Apologies I don't know where the test thing came from, its a usual rant by anti cyclist folks. I am curious though as a biker, whats your problem with the cyclist? Exactly this. There is no "road tax" in the UK, there is "vehicle tax", payment of which is a condition for using public roads with a motor vehicle, it doesn't give vader any entitlement to claim he funds those public roads. Don’t get this one either, I don’t think I said I fund the roads. You said cyclists pay nothing to use the roads, nothing apart from all the tax we pay, same as all the tax you pay and all the tax everyone pays. You don't need to pay anything over and above your taxes to use the public roads mate.
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Sept 6, 2020 22:09:22 GMT
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I had a quick look at the thingie and was wildly surprised by the Dutch way to open car doors. I have never heard of this, and don't think I have never seen someone doing it. Does make sense though. The alternative, of course, is to use the mirror which you are legally required to have attached to said door. Or use the remarkable ability of your neck to turn your head round and look over your shoulder. If you can't remember to do either of these things, why are you going to remember to use the "wrong" hand to open the door ?
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Sept 6, 2020 22:15:28 GMT
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There's a load of bad tempered, impatient, obnoxious drivers on this forum aren't there?
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Sept 6, 2020 22:31:04 GMT
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When I cycled to work I had an insurance policy for my mountain bike to the tune of around £3 per month.
I neither wanted to end up paraplegic by a H&R and uninsured, nor did I fancy a bike that cost similar to what I spend on cars (albeit sheds) going walkabouts if someone decided to jimmy the garage door.
Should be compulsory if not to protect people from their own idiocy. The RFL argument is oft mentioned and is hilarious as it only serves to indicate how little the arguer (in each case) knows about the current RFL system.
In other news, 7 out of 9. Wasn't impressed by the "flash you lights" question as it seems to contravene the advice that flashing lights is for making people aware of your presence, not a magic right-of-way signal.
Also, riding in the middle of the road as a cyclist, even if it's quiet, imo increases your risk. You're a very small object and there's better odds of survival if you're out of the way, should some plank not see you. Just my 2p worth.
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Sept 6, 2020 22:55:45 GMT
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But much more chance of being seen when in centre lane. Also massively reduces the risk of being taken out by a close pass and a left hooker also.
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