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Normally not on the actual rim? No, but if you drive at 10 and 2 you have to take your hands away from the wheel to operate the signals etc. If they were at 10 and 2 you wouldn't. They do similar for racing drivers (e.g. all controls easily accessed while maintaining vehicle control) so it seems counter-intuitive to design the controls the way they do in a normal car. Is the same with paddle shift - massive pain in the ![](http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/underwire/2009/11/fox_60.jpg) to try and change gear using them if you are feeding the wheel. That's because 10-and-2 and 'feeding the wheel' are both nonsense forced on drivers as part of an already hugely flawed driving test/examination and completely wrong. Stalks and shifter paddles are right where they should be, 9-and-3.
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No, but if you drive at 10 and 2 you have to take your hands away from the wheel to operate the signals etc. If they were at 10 and 2 you wouldn't. They do similar for racing drivers (e.g. all controls easily accessed while maintaining vehicle control) so it seems counter-intuitive to design the controls the way they do in a normal car. Is the same with paddle shift - massive pain in the ![](http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/underwire/2009/11/fox_60.jpg) to try and change gear using them if you are feeding the wheel. That's because 10-and-2 and 'feeding the wheel' are both nonsense forced on drivers as part of an already hugely flawed driving test/examination and completely wrong. Stalks and shifter paddles are right where they should be, 9-and-3. 10 and 2 maybe (which is the basis of my thoughts), but feeding the wheel would offer better control than crossing arms on anything without a very small steering ratio.
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The thing is, how often do you drive in a straight line for? Even on the motorway you go for quite long stretches with some lock on, maybe taking your quarter to three to a ten to four? Or a five to five!
Where I live and work, there's lots of steering to miss potholes, parked cars, pedestrians with phones etc.
I don't think either is wrong, they just encourage you not to be doing the one-handed monkey paw, to balance out the steering if you whack a hole. Two hands is obviously better than one, but so many people don't acknowledge it.
I was told by my instructor (...admittedly a looong time ago*) that we're taught to work the wheel to avoid tying our arms in knots, you learn to shuffle so that once you go "freestyle" without an instructor or examiner you know what you're doing!
*not only was it a long time ago, he also fired a starter pistol out the window of the car on one of my lessons, so with the ringing in my ears I may have misheard him!
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The thing is, how often do you drive in a straight line for? Even on the motorway you go for quite long stretches with some lock on, maybe taking your quarter to three to a ten to four? Or a five to five! Where I live and work, there's lots of steering to miss potholes, parked cars, pedestrians with phones etc. I don't think either is wrong, they just encourage you not to be doing the one-handed monkey paw, to balance out the steering if you whack a hole. Two hands is obviously better than one, but so many people don't acknowledge it. I was told by my instructor (...admittedly a looong time ago*) that we're taught to work the wheel to avoid tying our arms in knots, you learn to shuffle so that once you go "freestyle" without an instructor or examiner you know what you're doing! *not only was it a long time ago, he also fired a starter pistol out the window of the car on one of my lessons, so with the ringing in my ears I may have misheard him! That's an extreme form of aversion therapy. Still it made you remember it. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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The thing is, how often do you drive in a straight line for? Even on the motorway you go for quite long stretches with some lock on, maybe taking your quarter to three to a ten to four? Or a five to five! Where I live and work, there's lots of steering to miss potholes, parked cars, pedestrians with phones etc. I don't think either is wrong, they just encourage you not to be doing the one-handed monkey paw, to balance out the steering if you whack a hole. Two hands is obviously better than one, but so many people don't acknowledge it. I was told by my instructor (...admittedly a looong time ago*) that we're taught to work the wheel to avoid tying our arms in knots, you learn to shuffle so that once you go "freestyle" without an instructor or examiner you know what you're doing! *not only was it a long time ago, he also fired a starter pistol out the window of the car on one of my lessons, so with the ringing in my ears I may have misheard him! Yeah well, my driving instructor only had one arm. True. My thought of the day is kids on bikes, on the road, off the road, onto the path, back on the road, across the junction the wrong way, the sort that don't take into account what ANY OTHER road users are doing, or are about to do, or even any awareness that anyone other than themselves exist. I very nearly wiped one out about an hour ago, and the worst thing about it was, I could see it was going to happen, I just didnt think he'd be so stupid as to not look, AT ALL.Less than ZERO road sense. But I also saw a very clean and shiney MG Midget, so i'll stick with that thought because it better.
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Something like this? So thumbs aren't inside the wheel to catch on spokes if you hit a kerb/pothole/angry badger or if you have a steering or suspension failure. Maybe that answers the earlier question about rim thickness? So people with longer fingers can't wrap them round the rim and get caught in similar situations? Sorry...evolution has given me opposing thumbs for a reason....to grip the wheel properly. On the queens highway there is no reason to not hold the wheel firmly. On the banger circuit you soon learn to unlearn the habit though!!
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'80 s1 924 turbo..hibernating '80 golf gli cabriolet...doing impression of a skip '97 pug 106 commuter...continuing cheapness making me smile!
firm believer in the k.i.s.s and f.i.s.h principles.
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Something like this? So thumbs aren't inside the wheel to catch on spokes if you hit a kerb/pothole/angry badger or if you have a steering or suspension failure. Maybe that answers the earlier question about rim thickness? So people with longer fingers can't wrap them round the rim and get caught in similar situations? Sorry...evolution has given me opposing thumbs for a reason....to grip the wheel properly. On the queens highway there is no reason to not hold the wheel firmly. On the banger circuit you soon learn to unlearn the habit though!! Nobody said "hold it gently"! Entirely possible to hold the wheel very firmly indeed as your fingers and thumbs are squeezing against each other. You stick with your opposing thumbs, I'll use my opposable ones! Kidding!!!
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Sorry...evolution has given me opposing thumbs for a reason....to grip the wheel properly. On the queens highway there is no reason to not hold the wheel firmly. On the banger circuit you soon learn to unlearn the habit though!! Nobody said "hold it gently"! Entirely possible to hold the wheel very firmly indeed as your fingers and thumbs are squeezing against each other. You stick with your opposing thumbs, I'll use my opposable ones! Kidding!!! They are opposing...one on the left hand..one on the right!
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'80 s1 924 turbo..hibernating '80 golf gli cabriolet...doing impression of a skip '97 pug 106 commuter...continuing cheapness making me smile!
firm believer in the k.i.s.s and f.i.s.h principles.
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Thoughts of the dayballbagbagins
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Opposable means the thumb can be used to grip something in conjunction with the four fingers of the same hand. Think of making the ok gesture with your thumb and forefinger of your right hand.
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Opposable means the thumb can be used to grip something in conjunction with the four fingers of the same hand. Think of making the ok gesture with your thumb and forefinger of your right hand. Like in my example pic above!
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