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Jun 20, 2020 23:25:48 GMT
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so ive heard so much regards whats best i remember years ago using proper red lead on the inner sills on a mini and i know that pretty much the car rusted around them but not the sills ive read epoxy primer por15 ect ect whats the best stuff to use and if one could still get proper red lead primer [using proper ppe ect is it that good or was i just lucky
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Last Edit: Jun 20, 2020 23:33:18 GMT by steelman75
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Jun 20, 2020 23:43:39 GMT
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I'm sure there's several great anti rust primers out there but over the last few years I've using Owatrol CIP with great results even after six years. There's also a marine version too. Wouldn't bother with anything else now. As they say: the devil you know... www.promain.co.uk/cip-corrosive-inhibiting-primer.html |
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i just read that writeup sounds good stuff especially being used on the marine stuff
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Its not just the primer that needs to be effective here - its the preparation that counts - leave your surface poorly prepared and even the best primer in the world is not going to work - personally a good quality etching primer followed by an epoxy primer is an excellent base to work from - you do need to be careful though some high build 2 pack primer systems don't work effectively with etching primers in which case I would use a high quality zinc rich primer first - its all down to the detail in reading the spec sheets & ensuring that the surfaces that you apply the primers to are fully prepared in the first place. I don't rate the wonder stuff primers that come plastered with statements of how good they are without any technical data to prove the manufactures marketing statements nor are industrial / marine primer products suitable for automotive applications and if they were manufactures would have a automotive division in order to capture that market PS - Please don't take this the wrong way but questions like this belong in the Technical & Legal or the Questions Sections - not the General Section - there is even this in the Tech section that you may find useful given your question forum.retro-rides.org/thread/196771/body-paint-thread |
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shin2chin
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Jun 21, 2020 12:33:28 GMT
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I've been using Bonda primer with zinc on my beetle. Not had it on for long but it's used a lot in marine applications and is raved about in Landrover circles.
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1977 PORSCHE 2.0na 924
1974 VW Beetle 1600
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Jun 21, 2020 18:11:46 GMT
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whs
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Jun 21, 2020 18:23:15 GMT
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I've been using Bonda primer with zinc on my beetle. Not had it on for long but it's used a lot in marine applications and is raved about in Landrover circles. But you will actively find 'Bonda Primer' marketed has a primer suitable for automotive uses - that's why I use it on certain projects and why its stocked by my automotive refinishing supplier - my point is that just because a product is suitable for marine application does not necessarily make it suitable for a automotive application |
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Jun 21, 2020 18:26:28 GMT
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prevention is cheaper than the cure any paint is better than no paint
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Jun 21, 2020 18:30:29 GMT
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prevention is cheaper than the cure any paint is better than no paint Your statement is complete rubbish and I would challenge you on the subject all day long - use the wrong product for the wrong job and it will make the situation far worse than it was to start with |
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Last Edit: Jun 21, 2020 20:48:51 GMT by Deleted
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Jun 21, 2020 18:31:24 GMT
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i bet you would lol
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Jun 21, 2020 18:32:36 GMT
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i use finnigans anti rust then red lead or bonda primer,or zinc primer 182
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Last Edit: Jun 21, 2020 18:34:26 GMT by shielsy68
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shin2chin
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Jun 21, 2020 21:30:07 GMT
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I've been using Bonda primer with zinc on my beetle. Not had it on for long but it's used a lot in marine applications and is raved about in Landrover circles. But you will actively find 'Bonda Primer' marketed has a primer suitable for automotive uses - that's why I use it on certain projects and why its stocked by my automotive refinishing supplier - my point is that just because a product is suitable for marine application does not necessarily make it suitable for a automotive application Yeah I wasn't making a point about anything you said, I hadn't read your post. I was just suggesting that this was a good primer that steelman may want to use. |
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Last Edit: Jun 21, 2020 21:33:10 GMT by shin2chin
1977 PORSCHE 2.0na 924
1974 VW Beetle 1600
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Jun 21, 2020 21:43:25 GMT
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so ive heard so much regards whats best i remember years ago using proper red lead on the inner sills on a mini and i know that pretty much the car rusted around them but not the sills ive read epoxy primer por15 ect ect whats the best stuff to use and if one could still get proper red lead primer [using proper ppe ect is it that good or was i just lucky I just happened to be on the Frost site today and had a quick look at their primer products. If you've got an hour or tow to spare... I'm not too sure but this could be a case of 'less is more' !  |
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Last Edit: Jun 21, 2020 23:16:37 GMT by Woofwoof
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Jun 22, 2020 11:12:28 GMT
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for the man who doesnt know what he s talking about , not, me  fiat 500 with no paint on inner surfaces from the factory ,  me all panels painted with zinc primer  my statement is complete rubbish is it |
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Jun 22, 2020 12:44:29 GMT
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for the man who doesnt know what he s talking about , not, me fiat 500 with no paint on inner surfaces from the factory , me all panels painted with zinc primer my statement is complete rubbish is it I'm not on here to do battle with you however your statement 'Any paint is better than no paint' is complete rubbish - what you are stating is that if you have nothing other than a water based household emulsion then that slapped on will do the job of protecting bare steel - it wont, nor will anything else that's not specified for the task - I appreciate that you don't want to waste your time reading the TDS (Technical Data Sheets) so how are you going to know any better - I've spent the last four decades restoring vehicles to high professional standards and I'm quite happy for my work (in which the correct products were utilised to undertake the work) to stand the test of time and do the talking for me |
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Last Edit: Jun 22, 2020 14:14:12 GMT by Deleted
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v8ian
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Jun 22, 2020 13:24:59 GMT
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I'm curious about "Red Lead" primer, Is there any lead content in it, Everything with lead content has been excluded from the general public, or at least, significantly reduced, Lead Solder in Electronics, Lead solder in plumbing, Lead in Household Paint, Lead in Petrol, Lead in printing, Etc
Buy a tin of Red Oxide primer, nowhere on the tin does it say "May Contain Lead", and, same with the white oxide primer which used to use white lead oxide, and Red oxide Primer used to use Red Lead Oxide in it, Think it may just be an assumption that it still contains lead.
its not such a bad thing, BUT some of the chemicals that are added to modern paints are still very toxic, and most are not accumalatives that mount up over time, you need massive exposure to them to be toxic, The problem with lead is its an accumulative, which as far as I know does not dissipate over time from the body, it sits somewhere in the Brain, same as other Heavy metals such as Mercury, Cyanide and Arsenic
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Atmo V8 Power . No slicks , No gas + No bits missing . Doing it in style.
Austin A35van, very different------- but still doing it in style, going to be a funmoble
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Jun 22, 2020 14:12:57 GMT
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I'm curious about "Red Lead" primer, Is there any lead content in it, Everything with lead content has been excluded from the general public, or at least, significantly reduced, Lead Solder in Electronics, Lead solder in plumbing, Lead in Household Paint, Lead in Petrol, Lead in printing, Etc Buy a tin of Red Oxide primer, nowhere on the tin does it say "May Contain Lead", and, same with the white oxide primer which used to use white lead oxide, and Red oxide Primer used to use Red Lead Oxide in it, Think it may just be an assumption that it still contains lead. its not such a bad thing, BUT some of the chemicals that are added to modern paints are still very toxic, and most are not accumalatives that mount up over time, you need massive exposure to them to be toxic, The problem with lead is its an accumulative, which as far as I know does not dissipate over time from the body, it sits somewhere in the Brain, same as other Heavy metals such as Mercury, Cyanide and Arsenic Ian - You are very correct in your statement 'Lead' is excluded due to H & S / Environmental regulations etc - lots of primers use the word 'Zinc' but zinc can also be quite dangerous - especially ingested has a dust - I still get quite annoyed at the amount of wonder primers & magic rust treatments that are marketed within the automotive sector brandishing all sorts of claims about how good it is / how long it lasts etc yet such products have a complete lack of any verified laboratory / field testing data undertaken or published |
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Jun 22, 2020 16:27:10 GMT
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i have ten litres of red oxide paint here meant to be the [full fat] version
i don't pretend to know anything about it but i will take a pic of the data on the tin from what i hear it is available but not to the public not sure if this is correct the same as real creosote before all the good stuff was removed you can still get it if you know where to look painted my workshop with it 3 years ago now using old 8ft pallet lengths as cladding
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Last Edit: Jun 22, 2020 16:44:47 GMT by steelman75
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Jun 22, 2020 16:41:03 GMT
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this is what i have  |
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Jun 22, 2020 16:43:10 GMT
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