Dez
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Jul 11, 2023 14:38:50 GMT
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Next up, handbrake. That’s an emergency brake to those the wrong side of the water. So many hot rods doesn’t have them, especially if auto, but I don’t really see why, they’re not that difficult to do with some thought. I’ve got the complete rear drums fitted up with the handbrake linages so that lot is all just factory Ford stuff. I’ve also got an original upright model A handbrake lever I want to use. I previously made and welded on a bracket for this, but now I’ve changed the shifter linkage, it’s in the wrong place. I can’t get in to cut it off without chopping it to bits, so I just copied it and I’ll hack the other one off when the chassis is stripped down. . It’s actually flipped round the other way, the other one was further forward so went into the crossmember the other way. As you can see it has two bosses welded in to space the linkage away from the bracket as well as provide the mounting threads. It mounts the lever here. Reachable from the drivers seat but not in the way of the gearstick. And then the original model A rod fits it and runs just above the floor level here. From there I extrapolated where the cable would need to finsh at the chassis end of things, and cut and welded in a re-enforcing plate for them. The hole spacing I chose will be explained as the rest comes together. So the next step was to make up some cables. I’d been hoarding 60s/70s Ford ones to fit 8”/9” axles for a while, so I had a selection of bits to choose from. I had a nice long one to do the drivers side (too long really) but the matching one for the passenger side was too short. I found one that would do it, but it had no inner. I managed to find a length of inner of the right diameter on a Mazda b2000 chassis I have, but I had to rework the end be building it up with weld then filing to shape. With that down a d a return spring robbed off another cable, that was all assembled and ready to go. The reason I did the front half then the back half to meet in the middle, was I knew I was going to have to make the balance bar and adjuster setup from scratch to work with the parts I had in the space I had. I had an image in my head based on other similar setups, so I set about making it up as a went along 😂 The first part was the centre pivot. A bit of old steering column and some filing, machining and drilling. This was then added to some allthread and a turned down sleeve nut. Why it’s been turned down will be apparent shortly. I also found some solderless nipples in the box of useful control cable junk. They’re the decent ones with the ball bearing under the clamp bolt so they clamp down nicely. Next part was a couple of bits of 3mm flat. The cable hold spacing matches the outer hole spacing here. There were two made but not identical, the spacings are a 16th wider on the top one, because of bending allowance. They were cut out and drilled, and the top one bent up. This pic should examine why the adjuster but needed to be turned down for clearance- And this one why the top plate needed to be bent to accommodate the cable nipples and the adjuster/swivel setup. After that pic I welded two short lengths of bar inside the mechanism between the top and bottom plates to act as spacers. Home stretch then, I cut the clevis end off the original model A rod, and threaded it to accept a stud joiner/tube nut thing. This locks off on its own thread, then the bit of adjuster allthread bottoms off against the end of the rod inside, locking everything together. The cable inners were trimmed down and clamped up, and a temporary clip added to the cable outer that needed it (the other one is self retaining. Yes it’s a bit annoying they’re not the same!) Off- On. It all works very nicely, the model A lever has a good ratio on it with how long it is. It’s really easy to adjust (without the passenger set in anyway) and equalises nicely too.
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Last Edit: Jul 11, 2023 14:45:33 GMT by Dez
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adam73bgt
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Jul 11, 2023 15:08:09 GMT
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Lovely work as always, is that part of a Scimitar wheel sneaking in the back of one of the photos? 😏
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Jul 11, 2023 17:48:45 GMT
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Nice job on your E brake Dez. Well thought out, planned and built. Stuff like that doesnt happen by accident...
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Dez
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Jul 14, 2023 22:08:33 GMT
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Lovely work as always, is that part of a Scimitar wheel sneaking in the back of one of the photos? 😏 They’re Porsche wheels actually 😉
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Dez
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Jul 14, 2023 22:09:32 GMT
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Nice job on your E brake Dez. Well thought out, planned and built. Stuff like that doesnt happen by accident... And I only had to do it twice 😂
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Dez
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Jul 14, 2023 22:38:16 GMT
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Next thing. The headlights got swapped. This happened because I tried to buy some indicators… 🙄 You see, the current lights are guide 682-J. These are THE hot rod headlamp in terms of shape. They’re designed around a 7” sealed beam, which were a vision of technological advancement and modernity in the 50s. I was trying to think exactly when sealed beams first appeared as regular fitment and I think it must have been the early to mid forties, as there were tons of conversion kits to fit sealed beams to pretty much all 20s/30s/40s cars. I think the first Ford with them factory was maybe ‘42. They were definitely fitted by the postwar startup in 47 anyway. But this is why the guides exist. They’re were just a lamp designed as a means to fit sealed beams to earlier cars that still had separate headlamps, and especially to trucks and other commercial vehicles as many of them still did well into the 50s. These be them. As you can see, they’re fairly tightly dimensioned to the size of a 7” sealed beam, unlike earlier lights that were much larger. This is what forms part of the 1950s hot rod look. The indicator issue was that I have nowhere to mount the damn things. I have no spare chassis available, and I don’t want to mount them to the grille shell as that would look terrible. But, what exists is an even rarer, more valuable form of guide headlamp. The 682-C. This is essentially the same bowl as a 682-J, but with a shallow recess pressed on top to accept a side marker light housing. They were generally designed for big trucks rather than passenger cars, but it’s very useful to us hotrodders as you can wire the marker light as a indicator. This will give me a pukka looking light mounted on top of the headlamp. Now. They’re quite expensive, and hard to find in good condition. So much so they make repros now. the repros are quite good quality but the top markers are a little lacking, and they’re also resin encapsulated LEDs, which I do not like. Once I’d decided I wanted some and they had to be real, I posted a wanted on a certain forum, and two hours later I’d paid for a set 😂 Yes, I do have a reputation as a jammy Cnut. A coupe of days later, I have these- They’re really amazing condition. No rust, a couple of small dings that have been filled a long time ago. They have the ‘posh’ stainless rims- most don’t. They also have the rarer of the two types of marker lens- the peaked ones instead of the rounded ones. They’re also the external wire version, which almost certainly means they’re off some sort of big truck. Given the colour it could well have been a fire tender. The other thing is they smell amazing. Yeah, I know. 🤣 But they’re all old and fusty like only old car parts that have sat around in a dark dusty old barn for 50+ years smell. The only bad point about them is the mounting studs are too short. But that’s no problem as I have to sort that on the others. They’re rivetted together, so you have to grind the rivets off them punch them out. New long coach bolt (for that is what they’re designed to use) goes in and the plate is bolted back on. And then I get to try it for size. Yup, looks pretty cool to me. Like it’s actually meant to be there rather than bolting on some extra indicators on elsewhere as an afterthought. From the front, they’re pretty unobtrusive, nearly noticeable over the other side. And all I’ve got to do is run two wires in with the rest that are going to the headlights anyways. Definitely the neatest. solution.
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Well played sir, well played. They look absolutely spot on.
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glenanderson
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Jul 15, 2023 11:28:12 GMT
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I have seen headlight units with an underslung pilot, particularly the Lucas units fitted to 1950's British bikes, but that's the first I've seen with them on top like that. Looks like an ideal solution.
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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Dez
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Jul 15, 2023 18:17:09 GMT
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I have seen headlight units with an underslung pilot, particularly the Lucas units fitted to 1950's British bikes, but that's the first I've seen with them on top like that. Looks like an ideal solution. Yeah, I can’t recall any other lamp that offers the same solution. Odd when you think about it really.
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Dez
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Jul 15, 2023 18:53:53 GMT
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As well as marching progress, there’s been loads of issues and setbacks. These mostly just involve throwing money at problems to rebuy things I thought I already had. Here is one such problem, the clutch setup. I’ve had to do a hydraulic clutch conversion on a gearbox that never came with one, (it was originally a mechanical Z-bar setup that the Americans seem to love even though they’re rubbish). Reason is that my pedal is the same height as the clutch arm and on the wrong side of the bellhousing. I’d done the basics of this ages ago when I designed the pedal assemblies, and thought I’d bought all the bits I needed to finish it. I’m bought a Wilwood master cylinder and some braided hose off someone on here a few years back, and stashed it away for use on this. It looked fine when I got it, but I pulled it out to fit so I could have an attempt at making the clutch work, and noticed the ends on the braided were soldered together. Not particularly well and made up of bits of hard line and unions and god knows what. The threads were also stripped on one male part. At least it’s gone to someone who can assess parts condition/suitability properly and wasn’t planning on using them on brakes, hey? Mildly miffed, I ordered some correct replacements from carbuilder solutions to get me over that problem. I then fitted the new slave cyl. It’s a Land Rover series one, 2a or 3 iirc. I had to holesaw a hole in a tricky position in the new shuffle plate setup (to be trimmed/tidied later) but other than that it went together ok with the bracket I’d already made ages ago. That’s the other new end there. I had to trim the pushrod a bit for it to go together. Other than that this end was strightforward. With that sorted I was ready to chuck some fluid in it and see how it performed. Bear in mind this setup was based on some maths from 10 years ago, I was apprehensive to see how it worked. It it didn’t it would hold me up considerably. So with the pedal and master refitted and the hose hooked up, in went the fluid to the reservoir. And there it stayed. Nothing would draw or force the fluid into the cylinder bore, even the easybleed. Unfortunately, from experience I know exactly why this was. If you use the wrong brake fluid in these cyls it swells the seals in them. They obviously don’t leak, but the check valve seal on the end of the plunger assembly that allows fluid in on the backstroke swells to thicker than the ‘cage’ that holds it, so the cyl can’t draw fluid. I knew before I even took it apart what I would find. When I stripped it I found the cyl was also scored, so in the bin it went. That’s what you get for trying to save a few quid. £55 for a new one thankyoupleez. A few days later when it turned up, I swapped it in, hooked it up, bled the system in 10 seconds. And now I have a nice working clutch. Ratios seem ok, it’ll probably need some fine tuning on pushrod lengths, but it definitely engages and disengages the pressure plate.
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Dez
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Jul 17, 2023 21:09:00 GMT
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Next I had a big ‘finishing bits’ session. This mostly involves welding on brackets I’d already made. First, the front prop loop and braces were glued on. This will also be the framework for the actual tunnel panel. Next I removed the body for access. I did it in quite a stupid way by myself with no lifting gear to see if it would work. Surprisingly it sort of did. Rear brake plumbing was my consideration. I welded up the old breather/hose mount hole as it was in an unusable place become of its proximity to bracketry. So I moved it to here. Hole was drilled and tapped and swarf cleaned out as much as possible with a magnet on a stick. Axle isn’t fully sealed yet so will be blown out properly before final build. I also welded on the shock mount links whilst I was back there. I’ve committed to the cage location too so welded that on fully. And i got rid of a load of previous floor panel mounting holes that are now redundant. Then I stuck these on. They’re the major floor braces that tie everything and support the whole weight of the seats and therefore my , so I made them very long so they weld up to the box section crossmember, tying everything together. They sort of mirror the prop loop ones so it’ll look reet fanceh once all this lot is black and there’s an ally tunnel behind them. This tab was also added for the other end of the rear brake flexi. And that’s the other end bolted up to the hole i drilled, with the hollow bolt that’s also the axle breather. All brake components are now mounted so I could make up the brake lines now. I’m nearly done for brackets. I’ve got to Weld on the battery tray and fusebox mount, the seat mount tabs, and add a earthing boss, but otherwise I think that’s the chassis ready for sandblasting and paint, after a bit of grinding up. It always makes me laugh when I see this thing without the body on though. When I describe this thing as a v8 powered gokart, I really mean it. The engine, box, rear axle, wheels and tyres is over 50% of the vehicle weight. The rest is the bare minimum to tie those bits together and make it work, with the bare minimum of bodywork chucked over the top of that. And it’s now drivable without the body…
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jamesd1972
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Quite like the no-body look! Nice brackets. James
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Dez
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Jul 21, 2023 16:38:02 GMT
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Well, you might remember a few pages back their was talk of getting it running. The final part I needed was a 5/8”x5/16” fuel banjo, I eventually got one on the second go after the first seller lying out their ar$e about sending it, then giving a false tracking number. So once that was here I finished the fuel line from the pump up to the carb, and gave it a go. Well, it did start. It also then set on fire. It was absolutely spewing fuel out of the ‘rebuilt’ carb, which went all over the top of the engine then ignited. Once the flames were about 4ft tall with no signs of abating I tried smothering it with a Blanket which also set on fire, then the fuel can set on fire so I booted it out the door and set the mrs. Ornamental Bush on fire too, which went down well 🙄 I ended up having to drench it with a hose, which filled most of the engine with water, but was preferable to using a fire extinguisher which does even more damage. Once I’d then taken the plugs out and spun it over to get most of the water out, then I got it to fire in short bursts by pouring fuel down the carb to dry it properly. I was properly curse word off with it though so it was left for a while til I could face going back to find the problem. When I revisited it, First I cleaned the carb up as it was now covered in soot. Although an apart from a couple of slightly melted HT lead boots and a melted vac hose, the motor itself was no worse for wear. I had bought this as I knew I’d be taking the carb apart. Another knob head seller who can’t answer questions but posts things out quickly. It seems that’s what ‘customer service’ means these days. I started pulling the carb apart. It didn’t look like it had ever been apart. Yes it has been ultrasonically cleaned, but certainly not rebuilt! I spent a lot of time scraping old gaskets off. These screws bolt through the float bowls. Lovely. At least I got a second use out of these clutch head bits I bought ages ago for one job though. Lots and lots of cleaning. This was what I determined to be the cause of the worst leak. That RHS of the bowl should be straight, not obviously bowed as it is. they do this if you massively over-tighten them. They can be fixed but it’s fairly high stakes, you have to clamp them in the vice to bend it straight. Luckily this one didnt crack. It’s fair to say I have a utter distain for holley 4 barrel carbs. They are an exercise in poor design for various reasons. I mean it shouldn’t take a genius to figure out what vertically split float bowls are a stupid idea. They leak at will, and you can’t drain them without pouring fuel all over. The bolts that retain them also pass through the bowls and have one rubbish little fibre washer per bolt, which also want to leak. They then make it sit in a recess too, so it’s very hard to get the surface good and clean/flat when scraping off old gaskets. (This pic also shows the new banjo Union I forgot to take a specific pic of). The banjo Union into the carb is also another bit of rubbish design though, the sealing surface on it is too small. The metal pipe down the side of the carb goes between the two float bowls and only has an o-ring sealing it at each end, which is also a terrible idea. But, quite a while later, I have this. It’s clean and probably doesn’t leak. Well, it did still leak but I redid a few bits and eventually got it fuel tight. I definitely wish I’d bought an edelbrock instead though. The modern edelbrock carbs are license built Carter AFB made by weber. they’re a superior carb in all respects. Mostly because the float bowls are actually bowls. The gasket set was odd. The gaskets in it are pretty nice quality, but even though it was specifically listed as for vac-sec holleys it has no vac diaphragm included, so that didn’t get replaced. It also didn’t have the proper self centering power valve gasket which made fitting that fiddly. Anyway, carb on and hooked back up, and after cranking things down ever tighter to stop them leaking, and a bit of messing with the timing, I have this- Far, far more of a ball ache than it should ever have been, but again it’s something somebody else did that’s let me down. Seems to be a reoccurring theme…
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75swb
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Holy $hit that sounds like a nightmare. Well done on the perseverance and not kicking the carb to the bin (just yet)... Getting closer!
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Dez
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Jul 22, 2023 15:29:55 GMT
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Holy $hit that sounds like a nightmare. Well done on the perseverance and not kicking the carb to the bin (just yet)... Getting closer! The stupid thing is this is only a temporary setup, which is why I don’t want to buy another carb. I keep a 4bbl manifold and carb sitting round as It’s generally easier to set engines up and get them running nicely on a single carb before fitting a multi-carb setup. Although it does now seem to run quite well, it’s been quite a uphill battle.
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Jul 22, 2023 16:19:03 GMT
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I think we need a Model A Go-Kart drive by video Dez.....
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Dez
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Jul 22, 2023 16:31:36 GMT
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It will happen. Once it’s all working to my satisfaction. I’m not going to make it drivable without the body and not do it, am I? 😆
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glenanderson
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I’m long past the point that I trust anyone else to do stuff for me that I can do myself. I’ve been let down too many times.
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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Jul 23, 2023 11:10:47 GMT
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I'm not a fan of Holley's either.
For all the reasons you mentioned, and I think that the whole idea of a powervalve is just a clumsy bandaid.
And also the crossover tube to connect the floatbowls on a single feed...
I do like that, on a vacuum secondary, you can dial in the rate at which they open with different springs.
But thats about it....
They have gotten really expensive too.
I have no desire to spend a lot of time learning how to coax the most out of another completely different type of carb ( like the Edelbrock/Carter, or the early Strombergs), so I find myself going back to Webers, most of the time...
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Dez
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Jul 23, 2023 18:28:03 GMT
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I’m long past the point that I trust anyone else to do stuff for me that I can do myself. I’ve been let down too many times. Unfortunately it’s a theme that will reoccur soon in this thread.
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