MiataMark
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My daughter is going to look at a car (2009) that had an advisory "vehicle undersealed" it's only been mentioned on the last MOT.
Is this something that testers are adding to cover themselves or something to worry about?
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would raise an eyebrow for sure
is that model prone to rot ? its either covering up scabs or an enthusiastic owner trying to keep his car clean
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MiataMark
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would raise an eyebrow for sure is that model prone to rot ? its either covering up scabs or an enthusiastic owner trying to keep his car clean It's an Alfa Romeo Mito, no more prone to rot than anything else at that age. |
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It would certainly concern me, lots of stuff around that age can be quite rusty/rotten, I don't think an "enthusiast" would slather black shultz to hide the underneath a car.
its on the gm/fiat small car platform so corsa/punto in a more flamboyant expensive dress.
a brief google suggests nothing of particular note for chassis corrosion but do avoid red and black cars as the paint is curse word.
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MiataMark
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It would certainly concern me, lots of stuff around that age can be quite rusty/rotten, I don't think an "enthusiast" would slather black shultz to hide the underneath a car. its on the gm/fiat small car platform so corsa/punto in a more flamboyant expensive dress. a brief google suggests nothing of particular note for chassis corrosion but do avoid red and black cars as the paint is curse word. Thanks, unfortunately I can't go look. It's black but that's what she wants, doesn't want red though. |
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The only thing that springs to mind is, do Mito's suffer from the same subframe rust issues as 159s do?
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MiataMark
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The only thing that springs to mind is, do Mito's suffer from the same subframe rust issues as 159s do? Been there done that (159)... that's normally covered by the undertray. I haven't seen anything about issues with the Mito. |
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Apr 19, 2020 13:42:51 GMT
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It might be that the tester wants to cover himself & be on the edge of caution - However what's preventing a vehicle owner whom thinks ahead and wants to extend the life of a vehicle by having the car underbody wax treated (Dinitrol etc) - it may just be that you have found a car / model that has been better cared for than others in the market - I'd look at the cars history file to see if there is any evidence of welded repairs or aftermarket rustproofing - then check the MOT history (available via the DVLA database online) to see if any rust perforated areas were identified has points of MOT failure or advisory
With some testers you simply cant win - they will advisory mark underside surface rust down on a 10 year old motor (what do you expect) - then mark down the fact the car is undersealed when you do something about it
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Last Edit: Apr 19, 2020 13:45:07 GMT by Deleted
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MiataMark
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Apr 19, 2020 13:58:21 GMT
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Checked the MOT history this is the only mention of underseal. My daughter sent me some pictures, it has some surface rust on the sills that will need sorting but nothing noticeable underneath. Anyway she wants to buy it and as I can't see it and won't until lock down is over (she's 200+ miles away and visiting to check a car isn't exactly essential travel). My gut feeling is that it's an overzealous tester, hope I'm right... Come the end of lock down I'll be heading up north with a wire brush some anti-rust and underseal  |
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Last Edit: Apr 19, 2020 14:11:41 GMT by MiataMark
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Never known underseal being an advisory,think he probly knows what its hiding,and whats been said previous hes covering his back because pretty sure hes not allowed to scrape it off .
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Phil H
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MOT advisory, car undersealedPhil H
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I’ve had it as an advisory before too. It was the same test I heard him playing tunes with the testing hammer too. Rang out like a bell.
It was a P38 that had been re-sealed but it actually was solid and was re done to keep it that way.
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Apr 20, 2020 10:17:29 GMT
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See it regularly, tester attempting to cover  and not reading the notes about unnecessary advisories. |
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Apr 20, 2020 10:43:38 GMT
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I'd occasionally add a similar advisory if I suspected there may be corrosion or poor repair hidden by fresh underseal. This was very rare though as you are supposed to test for bad corrosion with finger/thumb pressure first, then if felt to be weak, tested further using the proper MOT corrosion assessment tool (a little plastic hammer on the MOT toolboard!) Nowadays, testers tend to use it purely to cover their asses and it's annoying to see on an otherwise clean sheet car. Advising on brake/fuel/PAS pipes etc that look a bit iffy but are caked in underseal is ok as the tester can't be sure of condition all along their length, but to lazily use the advisory purely because of the presence of underseal on a body just highlights poor testing. Oh, and if anyone sees/hears a tester belting the hell out of their chassis or sills with a big hammer, get them told!  |
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MiataMark
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Apr 20, 2020 11:24:39 GMT
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Thanks for all the comments, she's buying the car. I'm pretty sure it's just a tester covering themselves (crossed fingers), there is some surface rust to sort though.
I'll update when I actually see it but that won't be for a while.
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Phil H
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MOT advisory, car undersealedPhil H
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Apr 20, 2020 12:13:17 GMT
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Oh, and if anyone sees/hears a tester belting the hell out of their chassis or sills with a big hammer, get them told! I did ask what tune they were trying to get..  I think the last LandRover product that went through there was a lot more rust than metal... |
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