Dez
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The workbench thread. Dez
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A place to discuss/show off your workbench builds. What have you got? Materials? Why do you rate it? What cool features does it have? I’m planning a rather OTT build for one, incorporating a few space saving/storage ideas I’ve seen on various builds, hence me asking. For now, heres my existing bench, it’s very much at the other end of the scale, a quick throw-together from some used heavy duty pallet racking and some old fire doors that was quick, cheap, and has sufficed for a couple of years.
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eurogranada
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Ok, I'm hooked!! And obviously bookmarked...
I'm mostly curious about your space saving solutions as I have an area of 180-190cm x 90-100cm to put to best use.
My one requirement that I so far still stick to is it being movable. Heavy ok, but movable...
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Dez
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The workbench thread. Dez
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There’s a few considerations when it comes to space saving.
Personally, I don’t think any bench needs to be more than 2 feet deep, unless you a working on items on a daily basis that are more than 3 feet square. I’ve had ones that are in the past, and they just end up as dumping grounds. 2 foot is a nice arms length to the back of, and not too much space that it fills up with junk. Length doesn’t really matter, but a minimum is about 4 feet for it to be stable enough. As for height, that depends on how tall you are, but it should be between waist and elbow height, preferably closer to elbow. I’m quite tall so all my echoes are 3’6” plus the top as the normal 3ft/900mm is too low for me. It’s also good to factor your benches around the size of standard sheet materials, I.e. a factor of 2feet, 4 feet or 8 feet. A sheet of 3/4” plywood ripped in half lengthways and glued and screwed together is one of the best bench tops you can get, and one of the cheapest.
I always have a vice mounted on one end of the bench with a open space next to it, or a space that has something that is easily movable, e.g. welder on wheels so I can move it out the way so I can come at something in the vice from 90 degrees if I need to. To me this kind of negates any need for the bench to be movable, which means you can secure it to the floor and walls to make it extra solid. But then I’m the sort of person who you’ll find standing on the bench swinging a sledgehammer at something in the vice from time to time, so I like to build em tough.
You’ll notice my vice is at the left end of the bench, cos I’m left handed. If you were right handed I’d expect you to have the vice and the space at the end at the other end.
The other point, and the reason I’m planning a new bench, is that if you look at my current bench, even with all the boxes stacked up under it and then one shelf that’s there, it’s still about 50% void space under there. It’s also ‘dirty’ space, as it gets covered in grinding cr4p and wire wheel bristles and metal dust, so I only really use it for storing materials offcuts and the like. For it to be truly effective space, it needs more shelving/drawers, and to be compartmentalised somehow to keep the dust and dirt out. Then I’ve basically doubled my storage space under there.
Also, there’s the space above worktop height. My old old bench had shelves and racking above it mounted off the rear posts, but it tended to shake everything off the shelves if you where really wailing on something in the vice. For that not to happen the bench needs to be very substantial, and fixed down. But then it opens up the space above too. I had a tube light on the racking as well as your light source was then in front as well as behind, so no shadows.
I tend to always have a backboard or at least an upstand on my benches now too, to stop stuff disappearing down the back/brace things against, but also to act as storage for all the tools you use so often they’re not worth putting away in a drawer, or are awkward shapes to store. On my bench which is mostly used for general steel fabrication but will get used for absolutely anything car related at some point, there is always tapes, steel rules, squares, 3 stacks of part used cutting, grinding and flap wheels, metric and imperial drill bit stands and some pens/scribes/dividers that never get put away anywhere else as they’re always in use. There’s 3 or 4 grinders and my favourite couple of hammers that rarely leave the bench too. Realising that these things always live on the bench and incorporating places to tuck them away that’s still within arms reach is an important consideration to planning the space.
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Last Edit: Feb 8, 2020 21:32:33 GMT by Dez
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I wanted to make good use of space and have plenty of tool storage so I decided to buy multiple bottom tool chests and build them into a bench. It’s working quite well, but when I forget to shut the drawers properly (and even when I do to an extent) they catch quite a lot of sawdust. They’re just made out of CLS studwork timber and MDF with some worktop on the main one. The smaller ones on castors so I can change the layout a bit or make space when needed. I want to paint the timber at some point, hopefully to make it look a bit posher and more finished. The shelves are filled with stuff already and I’ve added one on the right, I want to put together a little corner unit on the left too. Oh and there’s an LED strip on the bottom of the bottom shelf too which works well. I’ll try and grab a better picture of the whole area tomorrow if I get a minute. It’s not perfect but it’s working well and I’m quite pleased with it. In an ideal world I’d love a proper woodworking bench and a “dirty” bench for car stuff, but I don’t have the space and I don’t deserve a proper woodworking bench yet! In fact in a real ideal world I’d like a garage and a workshop but I consider myself lucky to have a good sized garage at all
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Dez
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pardonthewait That’s not a bad little setup for the home garage, I quite like what you’ve done, seems well thought out. I have a near 2000squ ft workshop and still struggle for dedicated areas for each task and to keep certain areas clean, I think it’s always a struggle no matter how much space you have. One of my solutions is to have a ‘clean’ board stashed away that I drop on top of the bench if I’m working on something I really need to keep clean, it seems to work better that way round than having a clean bench with a ‘dirty job’ board, but then I do a lot more dirty jobs than clean ones. Laminated worktops like you have though are much easier to keep clean in the first place, but they’re not very lump hammer proof and stink when burnt so I prefer natural wood as my standard work surface, in a more industrial setting.
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Last Edit: Feb 9, 2020 0:59:02 GMT by Dez
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logicaluk
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A well-timed thread Dez, I'm trying to work out what to do with my new workshop, which now the big door is finally here I can get on with, if the garage doesn't land on the floor with all this wind. I picked up the base of an old chip shop fryer for my work bench nearly 4 m long and very sturdy. I look forward to the ideas I get from this thread. My contribution is metal organizer cases, I have had 2 metal cases, for 20 years which did 5+ years on my tools, they have a clip, so they clip when the lid is closed (I cant tell you how may times that feature has payed for its self in not having to clear up time) and a big friendly red button to release it and the latches to hold it properly closed, and they are on ebay for 26 quid. not cheap but a good long term investment. seeing as stanley plastic ones are about the same price not bad at all. Compartment-System-Case-Metal-Storage-Screw-Organiser-Tool-Box-Suit-Fixing-Black
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pardonthewait That’s not a bad little setup for the home garage, I quite like what you’ve done, seems well thought out. I have a near 2000squ ft workshop and still struggle for dedicated areas for each task and to keep certain areas clean, I think it’s always a struggle no matter how much space you have. One of my solutions is to have a ‘clean’ board stashed away that I drop on top of the bench if I’m working on something I really need to keep clean, it seems to work better that way round than having a clean bench with a ‘dirty job’ board, but then I do a lot more dirty jobs than clean ones. Laminated worktops like you have though are much easier to keep clean in the first place, but they’re not very lump hammer proof and stink when burnt so I prefer natural wood as my standard work surface, in a more industrial setting. I don'y know if you or others are aware of this work practise , its common in any bigger business now but you can apply bits of it to any place and its makes working so much easier and efficient . Its basically all common sense and thinking about work flow , practises , space etc. I work in a 6 x12 metre workshop that has to deal with all sorts and we have just cleared out so much clutter and junk and made it much better to work in . en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5S_(methodology)
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5S has definitely crept in to my workshop, hence the small parts storage boxes in the racks and the multiple tool chests. I really try to have a home for everything. We are huge on it at work (Japanese company) and it’s a really good habit imo. Laminated worktops like you have though are much easier to keep clean in the first place, but they’re not very lump hammer proof and stink when burnt so I prefer natural wood as my standard work surface, in a more industrial setting. I went with the worktop as they’re relatively cheap, cheap enough to replace in a few years when it’s knackered, and as you say easy to keep relatively clean. The second bench might get a doubled up bit of ply that I would treat, or possibly even a steel top at some point.
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I have a small bench area in my "machine shop" ( a small extension built on the side of my workshop to house my lathe and mill) made with steel frame and laminate worktop. It is deliberately not large to prevent the build up of cr&p. Photo is not the best but was taken to show my removable vice mount.
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Proton Jumbuck-deceased :-( 2005 Kia Sorento the parts hauling heap V8 Humber Hawk 1948 Standard12 pickup SOLD 1953 Pop build (wifey's BIVA build).
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Dez
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The workbench thread. Dez
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logicaluk old catering equipment is the cheapest way to get stainless steel bench tops I’ve found. They’ve always got an integrated upstand on em too. I had one that I lost in the fire, was a good bit of kit that I really should replace. I have some of those metal storage boxes but I keep em at home where things need to be more mobile. I tend to use linbins or other equivalent at the workshop, but they do have to be kept well away from main work areas to stay clean.
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Dez
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skkylinedave, I’ve never heard of the 5S thing, but that’s probably because I’ve never worked in the employ anyone else apart from a brief stint as a machinist when I was 18 or so. Even though I’ve never seen it set out and described like that, I must use about 75%, just as good workshop practice. It’s a good time to mention that Waste management and cleanliness is very important in any workspace, when I go into other people’s workshops and they’re filthy and full of rubbish I just look and think how the f-k can you work in here. I have two bins, scrap and general, in the middle of the workshop and rubbish doesn’t get put down anywhere else, it goes straight in. My workshop has a lot of junk in it, (ideally I’d have a separate storage unit), but the other tools that are never far away are a hand brush and little metal shovel, a big floor brush and a more recent purchase that is great is a magnetic sweeper. I started out working with my grandad and the one thing he thought me was you tidy up and sweep down at the end of every day. I’m not quite as meticulous as he was, but the bench and main floor areas generally get swept and tidied once a day and all the tools cleaned and put away.
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Dez
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And I won't sit down. And I won't shut up. And most of all I will not grow up.
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The workbench thread. Dez
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I have a small bench area in my "machine shop" ( a small extension built on the side of my workshop to house my lathe and mill) made with steel frame and laminate worktop. It is deliberately not large to prevent the build up of cr&p. Photo is not the best but was taken to show my removable vice mount. Someone else who actually stores files properly! Nothing gives me the eye-twitch like seeing them all lumped together in a drawer blunting each other.
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Last Edit: Feb 9, 2020 12:31:20 GMT by Dez
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skkylinedave , I’ve never heard of the 5S thing, but that’s probably because I’ve never worked in the employ anyone else apart from a brief stint as a machinist when I was 18 or so. Even though I’ve never seen it set out and described like that, I must use about 75%, just as good workshop practice. It’s a good time to mention that Waste management and cleanliness is very important in any workspace, when I go into other people’s workshops and they’re filthy and full of rubbish I just look and think how the f-k can you work in here. I have two bins, scrap and general, in the middle of the workshop and rubbish doesn’t get put down anywhere else, it goes straight in. My workshop has a lot of junk in it, (ideally I’d have a separate storage unit), but the other tools that are never far away are a hand brush and little metal shovel, a big floor brush and a more recent purchase that is great is a magnetic sweeper. I started out working with my grandad and the one thing he thought me was you tidy up and sweep down at the end of every day. I’m not quite as meticulous as he was, but the bench and main floor areas generally get swept and tidied once a day and all the tools cleaned and put away. Yes , most of it is common sense and once your used to working in a certain way you find your day goes much better . You know where everything is as it has a home , your not walking around constantly and if you keep it clean it only needs five minutes everyday to keep it that way . Makes all the difference to your head coming in to a bit of order and the day goes better . well until something bloody breaks .
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Dez
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Well seeing as the weather wasn’t particularly conducive to doing DIY today, I did some researching and planning on what I want in my megabench. I watched some YouTube vids of people making benches, but they’re mostly for woodworking, look decidedly home-made, or are what I call ‘poseur benches’, all burnt wood, industrial aesthetic that performs no function and engraved logos, more likely to live in your front room than ever get oil or rust on them. Don’t get me wrong I like industrial looking things, but the aesthetic should be a product of the function, not shoehorned in there afterwards by adding false rivets and cheesy paint effects. Then I spent a while on the garage journal looking at ‘50s deco-styled(we’ll actually streamline moderne, but let’s not split hairs) units and massive workstations from the likes of Alemite and Graco. Given I mostly work on 30s-60s Americana, this is an asthetic I can subscribe to. My workshop already has a bit of a ‘50s engineering shop vibe going on and such units would work nicely. And there’s Nowt wrong with it looking nice as well as being functional. This is the sort of thing that caught my imagination- Bearing in mind unrestored ones are going for $3k plus, any ideas of importing one were soon set aside. I wouldn’t dare use it! So, I started sketching out what I’d like aesthetic wise but also figuring out how I can make it 100% functional, without making it overly complicated to make. I’m thinking I will make two of these, both 12 foot long, one metal topped and one wood topped, and get rid of a few smaller units I have. Then I got into the nuts and bolts of actually putting one together, sizing materials and quantities surveying. This will be a massive build and will probably have to be done in stages, but as I intend to keep these for the rest of my life i think it’s worth investing the time and effort sooner rather than later.
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Will you use the cool minty colour on these also? That engine service bench is gorgeous!
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logicaluk
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i knew this was going to be good.
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Nothing fancy for me. All the wood was from work from steel deliveries and put together a traditional bench. It’s now got a couple of vices and some steel plate on the top in certain areas. Can get 4 large tubs underneath for storage. It does the job.
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Feb 10, 2020 13:12:40 GMT
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Here's mine as discussed on the other thread. Apologies for it being covered in curse word, partly because it's large enough to leave curse word on there and do other jobs, partly because I'm midway through lining my garage door, partly because I'm thinly stretched and never have time to finish/tidy up properly... Made from 2x4 with triple layer of 18mm ply, all recycled from my old workplace. Even the big screws are leftover from re-roofing the garage. Plenty of storage underneath, the shelves are set to the height of those big wheeled boxes. My garage has to be in equal parts: car storage, working on car things, fixing kids toys, storing gardening equipment, storing bikes - so anything goes really.
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Feb 10, 2020 14:33:47 GMT
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Here is my combined workbench & storage solution My workshop is only 2.5 bays - I paint within the same space that everything else happens hence all of the larger kit - benches / cabinets / compressor etc are all on industrial castors & mobile - that way I can move things away from the wall and have a good sweep up prior to painting a vehicle - the downside on the painting front is that everything gets covered in overspray - having purchased this readymade solution for the bench it allows for storage of all my smaller kit & materials which it is great at - the top is great just for general bench use but useless for bolting a vice to with it being on casters - eventually everything in the current workshop will go into a dedicated workroom on the side of the workshop but I have yet to build it
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Last Edit: Feb 10, 2020 14:35:22 GMT by Deleted
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eurogranada
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Feb 10, 2020 15:36:10 GMT
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Were those tool chests expensive? I'm looking over here, but the cheap ones go from 129 euro's but are only a foot deep (33cm) and the more useful ones I find that are 46cm deep are 199 a piece. So with what I'm looking to do, I'd be out 550 excluding 60 for delivery. Pfff. And then there's the wood to build the actual bench to add. Can't anything be simply affordable for once. It's just some folded metal for gods sake...
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