ivangt6
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Any carport or T3 news? Thom Nothing really worth updating about. I've mainly been busy stripping the staircase back, staining and painting it, ready for carpet. Something that I never want to do again. That an other house type jobs have taken up nearly all my time over the last few months. I have found time to remove the majority of the gravel from the carport area, move the GT6 outside and the bus indoors. Once this staircase nonsense is over I should be able to get back to the carport roofing, lighting and flooring.
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1979 Mini 1000 1972 Triumph GT6 2007 VW Golf GTi 1979 VW T25 Leisuredrive 1988 Range Rover Vogue SE
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Those garage joists do look a bit weedy compared to mine. Mine are 9x3 and much more frequent although mine is a flat roof. Maybe your trusses and purlins mean the joists don't need to be as beefy although I boarded out my old single garage roof that had similar sized and spaced joists which started to sag. I ended up adding extra in.
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Some 'Hints and Tips' as you are still in the early stages. Turn your lighting battens through 90 degrees and mount them on the underside of the floor recessed between the trusses. That way you won't break them when you manoeuvre large items. I've broken more than one light fitting arranged as yours currently are. I couldn't do that to my garage; it has the ceiling plaster-boarded, as there is a habitable room above. I rather wish the fluorescents would give up the ghost so I can justify replacing them with thin LED panels. Floor space is Gold! But the wall above the top of the doors is above your head and of no value for manoeuvring. I have fitted shelving all around the garage at the height of the top of the doors. Originally sized for the random mismatched used storage boxes I had at the time. I subsequently bought new matching heavy-duty ones that are slightly longer. LED 'strips' are cheap to buy and run. I fitted one as a bit of a joke and found it surprisingly useful. It is driven from a PIR equipped under cabinet light strip I bought from the Lidl clearance cage for about 50p - you can see it above the door and another on the ceiling. You could probably recover a PIR from an old dead cheap exterior floodlight. So it comes on 'automatically' as I enter the garage. Surprisingly useful when you are just popping in to collect/return something and your hands are full. Consider making steel-framed shelves to fit the gable end walls in the loft space. Bolt them to the wall so it is taking most of the weight rather than the roof trusses which are not rated for that load. Store the heavy items on these shelves. If you 'must' store heavy/dense items on the ceiling joists do so as to close to the solid end wall as possible.
The HUGE labels on the boxes are so I can see them without my reading glasses. As they always go back in the same space I know where everything is without the need to read them any longer.
Edit - add power sockets on the ceiling down the centre of the garage. So useful when using power tools as it avoids the need for extension leads and keeps the tool's power cord out of the way and avoids tripping hazards. I also have some above the vehicle door for using the vacuum and cleaner pressure etc on the drive. I have exterior sockets optimally located for garden use but the ones above the garage door don't need me to roll out the extension lead.
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Last Edit: Jun 8, 2020 7:35:35 GMT by theoldman
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ivangt6
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Metal framed shelves bolted to the walls is a very good idea. I have been moving the weight to the edges of the floors upstairs as and when more flooring has gone in. The joists are 2x4 and I'm thinking of doubling them up but I'm not sure whether I'd be adding any significant strength or merely just adding weight. The lighting isn't posing a problem where it is at the moment. The tubes are plastic so won't shatter if I hit them and I think I'd lose light coverage by mounting them between the joists. Led strips are a good idea though as are adding extra sockets down the ceiling in the middle. I was actually going to do that but didn't have the type of socket I'd want to do it at the time. Easy enough to add into the ring main though. All in good time I'm in the middle of buying the roofing for the carport at the minute. Currently looking at these sheets from toolstation www.toolstation.com/corrapol-corrugated-pvc-sheet/p56855Seem like they should do the job and hopefully they're a little tinted like they look in the picture so they stop it turning into a greenhouse in the summer. Then I'm planning on running strings of bulbs underneath. It's going to be right next to where the decking area is going to be so needs to look nice. That's not a problem anyway. What I'm not looking forward to is the block paving. If it were up to me I'd just concrete it but her indoors won't have it so block paving it is. This might be something I get a professional to do depending on what quotes I get
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1979 Mini 1000 1972 Triumph GT6 2007 VW Golf GTi 1979 VW T25 Leisuredrive 1988 Range Rover Vogue SE
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The joists are 2x4 and I'm thinking of doubling them up but I'm not sure whether I'd be adding any significant strength or merely just adding weight. The lighting isn't posing a problem where it is at the moment. The tubes are plastic so won't shatter if I hit them.....
You seem to have reasonable headroom.
Strength comes from the depth of the joist not width. So a better way of adding strength is to source timber of the same thickness as the trusses and as 'deep' as possible. Cut to fit, set on top of the existing the full width of the truss - from wall plate to wall plate. Cut 18mm OSB 3 to the size of the pair in 2400mm lengths. Glue and screw to the sides of the trusses on both sides, staggering the joins. The OSB in that orientation is very strong. The added 2x4 is little more than spacer so can be in short pieces to make maximum use of the expensive timber.
You now have a DIY version of 2x8 engineered joists, fabricated in situ.
Lighting - I have broken the light fitting, not just the tube when manoeuvring 1200x2400 sheets and lengths of SHS/RHS steel! The shrapnel from cutting and grinding just embeds itself in the tube or shatters them and wasn't the hazard I had in mind.
I have also had to move a vehicle whilst trying to remove the engine because the jib of the engine crane was under the light fitting and I needed that last 100mm of lift! It is surprising how often that last little bit of headroom is crucial.
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Last Edit: Jun 10, 2020 7:36:56 GMT by theoldman
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What I'm not looking forward to is the block paving. If it were up to me I'd just concrete it but her indoors won't have it so block paving it is. This might be something I get a professional to do depending on what quotes I get
Compromise and get imprinted concrete, it's more expensive to lay but in the long run it will be worth it. Paver's will just end up sinking on the main travelling part's (like the first lane of a motorway!!), the blocks will shift slightly when under load, making jacking the car an exciting experience every time especially when there is a slight gradient and by far the worst thing is that every ant in the neighbourhood will move into the subfloor determined to feast upon you!!!!!
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ivangt6
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Well progress has been happening slowly. Mainly because the house and cars are taking up nearly all of my time as usual So half the roof is up. I think I'd like to get the other half for September or the weather is going to make it a pain to do I've bought a few things for the garage. Things I've always wanted but have never had room for. 1st up, a beautifully quiet air compressor. It's 90L so I think it should be man enough to cope with air sanders and spray guns. Something I'd like to add to my air tool collection is a rattle gun. Air powered ones seem a lot cheaper than electric. Just need to do some research before I buy. There's also a retractable airline. I will mount a water trap and filter on the wall. The plan is for the air compressor to live just outside the door in its own little shed. That way, when I'm spraying I can close the garage door and the compressor won't be breathing any fumes. An extractor fan will go on the back wall. That jet wash just out of shot Is also a recent acquisition and I've had an enormous amount of use out of it already. Just today its done the patio and paving around the house, blasted the grease and oil off the audi subframe and components and the same with a vice. Great bit of kit. And a hydraulic press. They're cheap enough and a useful bit of kit for bushes, bearings, panel forming etc. Shame it's not man enough to do the bushes on the audi but I'm sure it's good enough to do everything else Just a shame its so muggy and humid today. Truly horrible in there, hence all the jet-wash activities. A very cheap, local purchase has been this vice. Its a Woden. I'll be rebuilding it It's 6" across the Jaws with an anvil and is monstrous compared to my record vice. Just about fits in the back of a MINI While stripping down I've found out it would have been quick release but the mechanisms broken off and its been bodged to work without it. It's also got no jaw faces I would like to see if I can reinstate the quick release either by sourcing original parts or making up my own mechanism All I've done so far is stripped it down and jet washed the worst of the crud off. It'll need thoroughly degreasing, paint and rebuild. Paint wise I think I'm going to go with old series land rover engine enamel as I think it's a pretty similar colour. Not sure what to do about jaw faces yet. That's all for now
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Last Edit: Aug 11, 2020 21:11:30 GMT by ivangt6
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ivangt6
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I've reface all the surfaces on the vice and got to the point of giving it a lick of paint. Land rover engine paint looked about the same colour so I ordered some of that. Like so What I got wasn't remotely the right colour. If I was actually painting a land rover engine I'd be pretty annoyed. Luckily this is just an old vice and I don't care enough to go through the hassle of getting the colour right. It looks alright even if it is an unplanned colour change Next it'll need the excess paint sanding off, greasing and reassembling
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Hate to say this but 90 litres is not really enough to run sprayers/air tools off properly. It will work, but you will lose air pressure very fast with air tools - sprayer not so much but the motor will be running almost constantly if you run air tools.
I have a 150 litre tank on mine and that's barely enough for an air powered DA sander.
It will be usable, but will struggle a bit.
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ivangt6
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I've only tried my da sander and finger file on it so far and seems to cope pretty well. Should be alright for what I do
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I'm always a little envious of garages this size, I've just got a standard 70s garage in a block, no power and a good 150yds from my house. It's little more than a glorified storage shed really. I did look at getting mains power into it but the cost would have been prohibitive.
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ivangt6
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I'm always a little envious of garages this size, I've just got a standard 70s garage in a block, no power and a good 150yds from my house. It's little more than a glorified storage shed really. I did look at getting mains power into it but the cost would have been prohibitive. I had the same situation for years. I did most of my car work on the road, open to the elements but I did have a small shed just outside the back door. A double garage was the only thing I asked for when we were looking for our own house. Having said that I've probably spent more time and money doing up the garage than I have actually working on cars
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1979 Mini 1000 1972 Triumph GT6 2007 VW Golf GTi 1979 VW T25 Leisuredrive 1988 Range Rover Vogue SE
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ivangt6
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Vice all greased and reassembled. I still haven't got round to fixing the quick release and have locked the mechanism for now so that it functions without it. It needs it's own bench now.
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melle
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Hate to say this but 90 litres is not really enough to run sprayers/air tools off properly. [...] The tank is only a buffer that should be an adequate size to give the motor a break every now and then; what you need first and foremost is a compressor that can keep up with the demand. There's a good air compressor section on the MIG Welding forum (if you can live with the moderation there...).
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May 16, 2021 20:15:46 GMT
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Any update on this one Ivan?
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bazzateer
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May 20, 2021 21:01:47 GMT
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Nice work on the vice. I have a similar sized Woden awaiting resto'. I've recently restored a few Record vices, gave one to a mate and will probably sell a couple. The Woden is for me.
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May 30, 2021 13:11:48 GMT
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If you ask on the MIG welding forum a few people have Vice spares, loads of Vice info too.
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It will come in handy even if you never use it
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