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Dec 20, 2019 15:50:10 GMT
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Not sure if to post this hear or not? Owning an historic vehicle it is at the moment MOT exempt , however thinking of the future to swap the engine and gearbox for something better more modern possibly year 2000ish the vehicle will need MOTing. I popped into my local MOT station and they were unsure ?? regarding emissions and suggested C/O content at 3.5% I thought it would have been a "smoke test" only. Does anyone hear have a definitive answer please? Many thanks
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Dec 20, 2019 19:44:39 GMT
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Needs a bigger hammer mate.......
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Phil H
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Dec 20, 2019 19:49:36 GMT
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I’m assuming you mean “visible smoke” - which is the pre-75 check.
Depends how you interpret the VHI requirements as to whether it remains exempt. I suspect they’re deliberately woolly..
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Dec 20, 2019 20:07:00 GMT
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I’m assuming you mean “visible smoke” - which is the pre-75 check. Depends how you interpret the VHI requirements as to whether it remains exempt. I suspect they’re deliberately woolly.. Yes visible smoke
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Dec 25, 2019 18:26:09 GMT
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should a historic vehicle remain its historic-status when major-mods have been applied to the vehicle?
contemporary mod´s, using contamporary parts...ok...but modifying using modern parts...that should be a no-go, imo.
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Dec 25, 2019 19:23:01 GMT
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The regs state allowable modifications are also those which were common within 10 years of the end of production or commonly carried out whilst the model was in production. So practically any diesel you can imagine into a Range Rover or Land Rover.
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Last Edit: Dec 25, 2019 19:24:12 GMT by dodgerover
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I think I read somewhere if you put a more morden engine into an older car it is emission tested to the standard of the age of the engine ie a 1950s car with 2010 engine is tested to 2010 requirements, although it might be the biva test I'm thinking of.
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I think I read somewhere if you put a more morden engine into an older car it is emission tested to the standard of the age of the engine ie a 1950s car with 2010 engine is tested to 2010 requirements, although it might be the biva test I'm thinking of. Tested to the age of the engine up until vehicles registered after 2002, and it is on the presenter of the vehicle to prove age of the engine.
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kenb
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I think I read somewhere if you put a more morden engine into an older car it is emission tested to the standard of the age of the engine ie a 1950s car with 2010 engine is tested to 2010 requirements, although it might be the biva test I'm thinking of. Tested to the age of the engine up until vehicles registered after 2002, and it is on the presenter of the vehicle to prove age of the engine. Depends on the age of the vehicle the engine is being fitted to.
For vehicles first used prior to 1st August 1975 would be a visual check only for emissions regardless of what engine is fitted. The manual doesn't actually state anything about using an newer engine than the car prior to that August date, not that I can find. screenshot taken from the .Gov website MOT manual.
I stand to be corrected, but this was the latest manual I could find.
My own 1964 Corsair is fitted with a modern Zetec and has never had an emissions test as the tester said the same thing.
I stand to be corrected but this was thew latest manual I could find.
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Tested to the age of the engine up until vehicles registered after 2002, and it is on the presenter of the vehicle to prove age of the engine. Depends on the age of the vehicle the engine is being fitted to. For vehicles first used prior to 1st August 1975 would be a visual check only for emissions regardless of what engine is fitted. The manual doesn't actually state anything about using an newer engine than the car prior to that August date, not that I can find. screenshot taken from the .Gov website MOT manual. I stand to be corrected, but this was the latest manual I could find.
My own 1964 Corsair is fitted with a modern Zetec and has never had an emissions test as the tester said the same thing.
I stand to be corrected but this was thew latest manual I could find.
You are correct, I should elaborate and have said emissions are tested to the age of the car or engine, whichever is oldest, I was just in the mindset of older engine swaps rather than newer ones, if the oldest ‘part’s’ emissions test is visual, that is the emissions test it is subjected to. It’s not ‘exempt from test’ as even a 1960 car can fail it’s Specified emissions test by emitting an unreasonable amount of smoke of any colour. But the actual tailpipe contents aren’t measured. The best thing to do, like you have, in this scenario is to always just check the MOT manual. It’s available for ANY one to read online at any time
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Jan 15, 2020 13:16:44 GMT
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Out of curiosity who actually checks whether an exempt car has been modified so far as to remove it's MOT exemption?
So lets say I decide to swap my Corvettes small block for a modern LS, it's already MOT exempt so who would want to know about the swap? I can't imagine the average plod pulling you over would ask you to pop the hood and check if the engine is period correct?
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Jan 15, 2020 13:28:59 GMT
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Like the IVA thing for radical modified cars its self declaration. Nobody actually checks, until possibly you have a serious accident, kill someone or the insurance company start poking around.
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Jan 15, 2020 18:08:54 GMT
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Out of curiosity who actually checks whether an exempt car has been modified so far as to remove it's MOT exemption? So lets say I decide to swap my Corvettes small block for a modern LS, it's already MOT exempt so who would want to know about the swap? I can't imagine the average plod pulling you over would ask you to pop the hood and check if the engine is period correct? Didn't VOSA turn up to a land rover event and start checking IDs years ago? They have certainly sat outside banger races pulling all the transporters for road side checks
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The Land Rover thing was because someone had done a bad mod and drowned his kids after something came off (possibly a wheel) the LR. It veered out of control into a canal or river. Something like that.
I've not heard about specific car checks at classic car shows for a good many years. Not even the Hot Rod lot, but stand to be corrected. I know they used to happen and saw them myself once perusing round show cars once, think it may have been at Knebworth. But they only seemed interested in tax discs at the time from memory.
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Jan 16, 2020 13:35:51 GMT
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Edit: deleted.
In hindsight this deleted post was going off topic and it also ran the risk of setting off a heated debate.
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Last Edit: Jan 16, 2020 13:54:10 GMT by Deleted
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Jan 16, 2020 19:43:14 GMT
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they only seemed interested in tax discs at the time from memory. I wonder how many people subsequently got a letter asking them to show the vehicle was unmodified and still entitled to wear the identity it was showing?
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