bricol
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The thing that bemused me, for a kit car, or by the sounds of it, a car like this, the fog light has to have the correct marking, the correct glass marking (I got away with polycarbonate years ago for a Stratos replica) etc etc.
Put a M1 class vehicle in ie an American import - and most of that falls away. My fog light simply had to be of equivalent brightness to the brake lights. The glass was assumed to comply, or rather that US regs were similar to ours. Same with radiused edges, wiper arcs etc. none of it was tested, and mine was looked at by the tester, and a tester trainer, with four trainee testers in tow, so it probably got more of a looking at than usual. Seems a little double standard-ish to me - although I'm not complaining!
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The thing that bemused me, for a kit car, or by the sounds of it, a car like this, the fog light has to have the correct marking, the correct glass marking (I got away with polycarbonate years ago for a Stratos replica) etc etc. Put a M1 class vehicle in ie an American import - and most of that falls away. My fog light simply had to be of equivalent brightness to the brake lights. The glass was assumed to comply, or rather that US regs were similar to ours. Same with radiused edges, wiper arcs etc. none of it was tested, and mine was looked at by the tester, and a tester trainer, with four trainee testers in tow, so it probably got more of a looking at than usual. Seems a little double standard-ish to me - although I'm not complaining! I'm sure Kev will be along at some point to give a more detailed answer but as I understand it imports are treated differently and if you can prove it complies with the recognised standards (long list at the front of the manual) then it is assumed to comply and isn't checked. I had a long discussion with my tester about the standards relating to glass. You can still use polycarbonate instead of glass but it still needs to be correctly marked. |
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Last Edit: Dec 5, 2019 16:49:44 GMT by andyb64
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Hi Andy. Sweet car. Are you able to tell me where you got the door mirrors so both are adjustable from drivers seat, and where did you get that lovely fuel tank?. What is the capacity. Are you able to show the changes you made to the gutter please. Door mirrors were from Europa Specialist spares and required a small radius adding to the mounting base to meet the regs. Only the drivers mirror needs to be adjustable from the drivers seat and because I had a rear view mirror that met a lot of the rear vision criteria I didn't actually need a passenger side one. I'll get a photo of the gutter later and post it up Fuel tank was made to my specification by AH Fabrications  Hope that helps |
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Last Edit: Dec 5, 2019 16:47:40 GMT by andyb64
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stealthstylz
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This is ace, should be great at that sort of power level.
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Door mirrors.
Adjustable from the drivers seat - often mis read as being able to adjust them like a modern car with electric mirrors.
Reality = if you have to undo your seatbelt, apply handbrake & shift forward to the front of the seat whilst stretching to the limit across the car with the passenger window down, and can then alter the mirror, than that's ok. (that's my experience with my tester at least - and I think it's universal).
I suspect the minor gutter actually complies as I think it has a rounded edge.
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I suspect the minor gutter actually complies as I think it has a rounded edge. Mark, it does, it is just the very end of it where it finishes by the rear 1/4 panel. The sphere contacts the end of the gutter there so it needs a radius adding. From memory Robin Beardmore used a 5mm ball bearing to create the radius. I hadn't painted mine so I could weld it up and add a radius to it. |
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The thing that bemused me, for a kit car, or by the sounds of it, a car like this, the fog light has to have the correct marking, the correct glass marking (I got away with polycarbonate years ago for a Stratos replica) etc etc. Put a M1 class vehicle in ie an American import - and most of that falls away. My fog light simply had to be of equivalent brightness to the brake lights. The glass was assumed to comply, or rather that US regs were similar to ours. Same with radiused edges, wiper arcs etc. none of it was tested, and mine was looked at by the tester, and a tester trainer, with four trainee testers in tow, so it probably got more of a looking at than usual. Seems a little double standard-ish to me - although I'm not complaining! I'm sure Kev will be along at some point to give a more detailed answer but as I understand it imports are treated differently and if you can prove it complies with the recognised standards (long list at the front of the manual) then it is assumed to comply and isn't checked. I had a long discussion with my tester about the standards relating to glass. You can still use polycarbonate instead of glass but it still needs to be correctly marked. Depends on how old the vehicle was as to whether BIVA or NIVA apply and whether personal or business import plus of course modifie dor not. . Standard car model would meet FHMSS ( or a similar combination of letters ! ) You didn't 'get away ' with polycarb it IS allowable if it meets the regs.Also AS spce glass is acceptable and you will often find this marking on old Brit cars that were exported to the States when new as double marked. For instanc eon my 62 Consul Capri all side and rear glass is BIVA acceptable as it has correct AS2 markings. Front screen didn't comply as was also AS2 ( toughened ) marked as opposed to as! shoiwng laminated glass( somethime smarked as plate on USA sourced screens. |
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Last Edit: Dec 5, 2019 21:33:40 GMT by kapri
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bricol
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"Get away with" was more a figure of speech - tester failed it and told me what I could do to pass. In fact all the times I've put a car through at Manchester, both old and new (not so new now) centres, the testers have always been friendly and extremely helpful. I was just more bemused by I can add random LEDs, bulbs, lenses to the back of an import, as long as they are of equal brightness, and pass. Yet someone doing such a magnificent job as this car, using the very same random LEds etc, would fail. You'd think if one car needed such things to survive fog, the other would? I do remember one tester complaining about some Indian Hindustani Morris Oxfords continuations  having "greenhouse glass" in the windows |
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"Get away with" was more a figure of speech - tester failed it and told me what I could do to pass. In fact all the times I've put a car through at Manchester, both old and new (not so new now) centres, the testers have always been friendly and extremely helpful. I was just more bemused by I can add random LEDs, bulbs, lenses to the back of an import, as long as they are of equal brightness, and pass. Yet someone doing such a magnificent job as this car, using the very same random LEds etc, would fail. You'd think if one car needed such things to survive fog, the other would? I do remember one tester complaining about some Indian Hindustani Morris Oxfords continuations having "greenhouse glass" in the windows Nope, that is still the case , lights do NOT have to be E marked for BIVA only an equivalency of output BUT the fog light is the only contradiction to that as it MUST have both an F and e mark.  |
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Jan 13, 2020 10:31:22 GMT
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Hi Andy. Sweet car. Are you able to tell me where you got the door mirrors so both are adjustable from drivers seat, and where did you get that lovely fuel tank?. What is the capacity. Are you able to show the changes you made to the gutter please. Door mirrors were from Europa Specialist spares and required a small radius adding to the mounting base to meet the regs. Only the drivers mirror needs to be adjustable from the drivers seat and because I had a rear view mirror that met a lot of the rear vision criteria I didn't actually need a passenger side one. I'll get a photo of the gutter later and post it up Fuel tank was made to my specification by AH Fabrications Hope that helps |
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Jan 13, 2020 10:32:26 GMT
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Hi Andy.
Did you take any photo's of the gutter modification needed.
Thank you.
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Jan 13, 2020 11:03:07 GMT
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Bet that shifts then!
Nice job!
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tofufi
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Jan 13, 2020 13:24:24 GMT
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Just read the whole thread - great to see a properly built car passing IVA and doing things properly Top stuff! |
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love it and gives a bit of confidence that you can still build what you want if built correctly so far all seems common sense ime contemplating something similaire i had started to resign myself that it would need to be a hill climb track car [other people and nay sayers ] but maybe not going by your build
top work
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love it and gives a bit of confidence that you can still build what you want if built correctly so far all seems common sense ime contemplating something similaire i had started to resign myself that it would need to be a hill climb track car [other people and nay sayers ] but maybe not going by your build top work You can get just about anything through if you interpret the rules properly. This passed as well;  |
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tontoe
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Nov 14, 2020 18:07:18 GMT
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2.5mm radius added to handles, badges, hinges etc    Other than an external fuel filler and some led side repeaters in the front wings that is all I had to do externally. Just found this after lots of searching, glad to see the minor will pass the biva, few questions who supplied the fog light? Will minor door catches pass the test? |
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Nov 14, 2020 18:36:08 GMT
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That is a damn fine hot rod!
Very understated so I bet its great fun for surprising people at the lights.
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tontoe
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Dec 10, 2020 20:36:07 GMT
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I'm sure Kev will be along at some point to give a more detailed answer but as I understand it imports are treated differently and if you can prove it complies with the recognised standards (long list at the front of the manual) then it is assumed to comply and isn't checked. I had a long discussion with my tester about the standards relating to glass. You can still use polycarbonate instead of glass but it still needs to be correctly marked. Depends on how old the vehicle was as to whether BIVA or NIVA apply and whether personal or business import plus of course modifie dor not. . Standard car model would meet FHMSS ( or a similar combination of letters ! ) You didn't 'get away ' with polycarb it IS allowable if it meets the regs.Also AS spce glass is acceptable and you will often find this marking on old Brit cars that were exported to the States when new as double marked. For instanc eon my 62 Consul Capri all side and rear glass is BIVA acceptable as it has correct AS2 markings. Front screen didn't comply as was also AS2 ( toughened ) marked as opposed to as! shoiwng laminated glass( somethime smarked as plate on USA sourced screens. Kev could you clarify this my minor has as2 side glass is this still exceptable for the test |
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Dec 18, 2020 20:56:11 GMT
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2.5mm radius added to handles, badges, hinges etc Other than an external fuel filler and some led side repeaters in the front wings that is all I had to do externally. Just found this after lots of searching, glad to see the minor will pass the biva, few questions who supplied the fog light? Will minor door catches pass the test? The fog light is a combined Fog/Reverse light www.done-bri.com/Brands/WAS/Rear-Lighting/WAS-W73-Series-Slimline-LED-Rear-Signal-Lights/WAS-W73ARF-Series-Slimline-LED-REVERSE-FOG-Light-Fly-Lead-1224V-335556Several other places do similar items Minor door catches have 2 stage latching from the factory so are BIVA compliant. Only mod required was as the handles are forward facing they need a mechanism to stop the handle flapping open if the mechanism fails. This was solved by putting a throttle return spring on the internal pull handle. |
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Dec 18, 2020 20:58:32 GMT
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Depends on how old the vehicle was as to whether BIVA or NIVA apply and whether personal or business import plus of course modifie dor not. . Standard car model would meet FHMSS ( or a similar combination of letters ! ) You didn't 'get away ' with polycarb it IS allowable if it meets the regs.Also AS spce glass is acceptable and you will often find this marking on old Brit cars that were exported to the States when new as double marked. For instanc eon my 62 Consul Capri all side and rear glass is BIVA acceptable as it has correct AS2 markings. Front screen didn't comply as was also AS2 ( toughened ) marked as opposed to as! shoiwng laminated glass( somethime smarked as plate on USA sourced screens. Kev could you clarify this my minor has as2 side glass is this still exceptable for the test My minor and Robin Beardmore's both passed with AS2 marked side glass and rear screen. Only my screen is E marked and is also heated which covers all my demisting requirements without the need for a heater/fan unit |
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having "greenhouse glass" in the windows 
