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Its good to see this in one colour at last even if it is only primer! Is the top coat going to be anything special or just a straight black? Just straight factory black has the car was originally - there is plenty of chrome on the car so this breaks it up somewhat |
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Rian - Has it nailed - the primer market has significantly changed to the point that you can now have tintable primers made up - the closer the primer is to the final tint / colour - the easier the coverage is of the final paint and results in using less paint.
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Rian - Has it nailed - the primer market has significantly changed to the point that you can now have tintable primers made up - the closer the primer is to the final tint / colour - the easier the coverage is of the final paint and results in using less paint. That's interesting as when I painted the wings on my Midnight Blue Escort they recommended white primer as it's what the factory used. Maybe dark primer would've been better as they are somewhat lighter than the rest of the car. Annoyingly. Maybe more coats of colour would've helped?  |
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Rian - Has it nailed - the primer market has significantly changed to the point that you can now have tintable primers made up - the closer the primer is to the final tint / colour - the easier the coverage is of the final paint and results in using less paint. That's interesting as when I painted the wings on my Midnight Blue Escort they recommended white primer as it's what the factory used. Maybe dark primer would've been better as they are somewhat lighter than the rest of the car. Annoyingly. Maybe more coats of colour would've helped? Certainly more colour coats would have helped - white under a dark colour is hard work but some vehicle manufactures are still committed to it for whatever reason - I painted this low mileage Porsche 996 last year  It was littered with stone chips on the frontal panels but what made them stand out more than anything was the white factory primer under the dark final finish paint - pretty daft really - environmental along with cost cutting exercises will soon force all new build vehicles down the tintable primer route - the majority of modern bodyshops are already onto it has it increases margins - whilst the older / historic vehicle market can apply what they want to want to their cars without having environmental legislation enforced upon them - well the UK can anyway - A fellow Jowett owner & professional restorer out in Los Angeles in the States is confined to using water based vehicle finishes only due to environmental legislation - which he hates - whilst fine on new builds the water based finishes don't work that well with restoration work - much to the point he often ships the car outside to a state where the legislation is not enforced to allow the car to be painted in his / clients choice of paint finish |
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Last Edit: Jan 5, 2020 19:32:34 GMT by Deleted
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 Underside of the rear wings & flanges were treated with Hydrate 80 prior to them going into primer  Then the last of the smaller parts / brackets etc that needed cleaning up for primer - the front number plate mounting required straightening up too  Sometime later - a few parts require treating with Hydrate 80   Then on with the primer  Both the rear wings, bonnet & boot primed  Everything shuffled up at the end of the day in order to run the vintage back into the workshop Just the front panel, front number plate mounting and tool box cover in the boot to now get into primer tomorrow morning |
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Last Edit: Jan 6, 2020 19:06:54 GMT by Deleted
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bstardchild
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Certainly more colour coats would have helped - white under a dark colour is hard work but some vehicle manufactures are still committed to it for whatever reason - I painted this low mileage Porsche 996 last year It was littered with stone chips on the frontal panels but what made them stand out more than anything was the white factory primer under the dark final finish paint - pretty daft really - environmental along with cost cutting exercises will soon force all new build vehicles down the tintable primer route - the majority of modern bodyshops are already onto it has it increases margins - whilst the older / historic vehicle market can apply what they want to want to their cars without having environmental legislation enforced upon them - well the UK can anyway I have same issue with Big Green Thing - they were all painted with a white primer (the stone ships are visible from yards away) - my concern is a few years back one got painted with a dark primer and the colour didn't look right...... Maybe these days the control is better? |
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Certainly more colour coats would have helped - white under a dark colour is hard work but some vehicle manufactures are still committed to it for whatever reason - I painted this low mileage Porsche 996 last year It was littered with stone chips on the frontal panels but what made them stand out more than anything was the white factory primer under the dark final finish paint - pretty daft really - environmental along with cost cutting exercises will soon force all new build vehicles down the tintable primer route - the majority of modern bodyshops are already onto it has it increases margins - whilst the older / historic vehicle market can apply what they want to want to their cars without having environmental legislation enforced upon them - well the UK can anyway I have same issue with Big Green Thing - they were all painted with a white primer (the stone ships are visible from yards away) - my concern is a few years back one got painted with a dark primer and the colour didn't look right...... Maybe these days the control is better? Ian - There should be little excuse for getting colour matches correct in todays market - many advances have been made with mass spectrometer colour matching becoming part of the major bodyshops toolbox - the smaller outfits in the market whom cannot afford the several £k for the technology are not left out either has every automotive paint supplier holds the technology - so its just a matter of taking a small original painted area off the car to the factors and they will mix the paint to the closest if not identical match - However, technology cannot replace laziness or doing half a job and any bodyshop will know that they need to make allowances to blend colour on to adjacent panels in order to guarantee a perfect colour match - quite often you don't have to go this extent but occasionally you do and its the ones that cant be bothered or that are in on a price to paint the single panel only without explaining the process to the client that fail and do the industry an injustice - personally anyone that expects me to paint a single panel on a price without expecting a uplift in costs to blend / colour match onto adjacent panels if required simply is not going to see their car entering my workshop |
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Last Edit: Jan 8, 2020 6:59:09 GMT by Deleted
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Though I have seen you do this a few times before, I am still amazed at the work you do, Grumpy. With what I now know in terms of what it takes to make repairs like this (on a smaller scale of course!) and what I used to know, I am now even more impressed with the level of detail, refinement and results.
watching attentively!
JP
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I know its spelled Norman Luxury Yacht, but its pronounced Throat Wobbler Mangrove!
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My father's Sprite had the same problem but from opposite ends of the spectrum- Snowberry White on top with salmon pink primer underneath.
So that's not a modern problem, heh.
--Phil
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On with flatting the loose panels then - I use a guide coat but I also check with panel wipe to wet the panel once sanded  This will highlight any areas that require further work  Once I had the door skin complete the doors then got turned over and the frames sanded back  Along with seam sealer applied to the flange edges of the skin  Importantly the seams to the repair sections on the door skins were also sealed  4 doors later  Then the rear wings  With the flange support edge also sealed once the outer face was completed  Bonnet & boot done  Slowly getting there  Now the smaller loose panels   Todays £40 worth of abrasives later and we are getting ever closer to the final paint stage - some spot priming to do in the morning along with a good delouse of the workshop should see some paint going on by the afternoon  |
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Last Edit: Jan 9, 2020 6:55:42 GMT by Deleted
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All 4 doors placed to the panel stands  Then I spot primed any minor bare metal areas  Put the bodyshell and doors under a sheet of polymask then went about delousing the workshop - this is the downside of painting within the same workshop has you undertake the rest of the repairs / restoration work in - I would love a separate booth / spray room but unfortunately I just don't have the space - hence everything in the workshop is on industrial castors and can be moved away from the walls to allow a clean up - after a good session with the extractor on full everything was blown free of loose dust & debris with the airline & blow gun - this includes up behind the light battens on the ceiling etc - then a good sweep up prior to wetting of the floor to keep any floor level dust at bay  Once completed all the panels were given a good wipe over - twice in fact with panel wipe - then immediately prior to applying the paint I go over every square inch of the panels with a tack rag  Right then time to throw some paint on it - its too difficult to take pics while I am applying the paint has you just have to keep working - that and you have a paint coverall on + air fed mask + belt & regulator + you are tethered to the air line which you are constantly having to watch that it does not get caught up / snagged / coiled up or splash water up into the wet paint from the floor - anyway in a nutshell I have more than enough happening than to worry about taking pics - So 3.5 litres of paint and little while later: Bodyshell    Doors   Beauty of the panel stands is that you paint both sides at the same time  I then had to have a shuffle up to get the vintage Jowett back into the workshop - without marking / damaging the very fresh paint which was just on the point of tack free  Final consideration is that I have a operating hours curfew and everything needs to be done & wrapped up by 1800 hours  I might just have to go and check that none of my gin collection is starting to go off or fester   |
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Last Edit: Jan 9, 2020 20:09:59 GMT by Deleted
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"I might just have to go and check that none of my gin collection is starting to go off or fester " sounds like a damn fine plan old chap...you've earned it. looks great out of the gun. just a thought to satisfy our vicarious paint pleasures...do you have an old phone/camera that could be rigged up to capture the magic moment? |
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'80 s1 924 turbo..hibernating
'80 golf gli cabriolet...doing impression of a skip
'97 pug 106 commuter...continuing cheapness making me smile!
firm believer in the k.i.s.s and f.i.s.h principles.
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Right then time to throw some paint on it - its too difficult to take pics while I am applying the paint has you just have to keep working - that and you have a paint coverall on + air fed mask + belt & regulator + you are tethered to the air line which you are constantly having to watch that it does not get caught up / snagged / coiled up or splash water up into the wet paint from the floor - anyway in a nutshell I have more than enough happening than to worry about taking pics Chris, provided you keep posting such exquisite work we’ll forgive you... David |
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Ich habe kein Geld!
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What a transformation, superb
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It never fails to amaze me I was waiting to see my Corsair at the same stage when Chris painted it and I feel the same anticipation now, it's going to look fantastic when it's all back together.
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