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Sept 16, 2019 8:31:22 GMT
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I mean if you like the racing, but don't like the whole Revivalness of the Revival... maybe go to the Classic at Spa, or Le Mans Classic, or Donnington Historic, or the Silverstone equivalent? Going to the Revival and complaining about the fancy dress, the fakery, the set dressing and the crowds is like going to the super market and complaining it is full of food, when you really just wanted to buy some batteries.
I went to the Revival for the first time in about 12 years on Sunday, it was what I expected it to be, very busy, lots of things going on all over the place and good fun. Definitely some negatives though, perversely it being hot and bright made being nicely dressed up a bit of a pain, expecting September weather of at least cool and windy, if not raining, outfit was woolen and heavy. I was surprised to require an extra paddock pass thing to get in the paddocks, being more used to Members Meeting and the previous Revivals I'd been to (they were a significant amount smaller back then I guess). Couple of areas were badly laid out, from a show organisers perspective there were more bottlenecks than I'd like, but then again it is a tricky venue to work with some times. I didn't see any racing, in the time it took us to have an initial wander, then pick up some (early) lunch and make it back to the other side of the track it was on its shut down period (weirdly after what I'd consider lunch time, but there we go), and we left about 45 minutes earlier than planned due to the heat, so to make the most of it we went and wandered the classic car show area on the other side of the road.
Overall I enjoyed it, think I'll be going back, probably Friday for photography and video stuff (I did try, but it was too much and I wanted to have a bit of a day off with my wife), then Sunday for a social visit and none of the photography stuff. I'm not sure how the paddock stuff is dolled out, but if that is an addon you can buy you should definitely do that.
If I want to watch racing I'd go to the above mentioned events instead to be honest. 2020 Le Mans Classic is back and I'd argue that is all round a better event for car stuff.
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Goodwood Revival 2019 [pics]luckyseven
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Sept 16, 2019 8:31:34 GMT
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I'm out. I've made what I think are a couple of pretty erudite attempts to explain why the Revival annoys me as much as it it entertains, but if all I'm going to get is a somewhat inane "just pretend it's not there" reply to every point offered then I'm not all that interested in wasting time "discussing" the point. I do love it when you arrive at a viewpoint after many years of careful thought and observation and total strangers tell you "you're wrong, you should look at things the same way I do" over the internet However, because this is RR and we must be positive about everything, always, I will offset my appalling negativity with a photo of something nice about the Revival. Have a lovely photo of a Ferrari 350GTO as a penance Ferrari 250GTO grey 62 catch by Nick Liassides, on Flickr P.S. I went to the Revival for the first time in about 12 years on Sunday, it was what I expected it to be, very busy, Twelve years ago? It wasn't very busy. Honestly, try it next year and you might change your mind
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Sept 16, 2019 8:34:08 GMT
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Jeez, what a cavalcade of joylessness. I was about to post up some more pics from Sunday, but I can’t be bothered now
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Sept 16, 2019 8:35:21 GMT
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Jeez, what a cavalcade of joylessness. I was about to post up some more pics from Sunday, but I can’t be bothered now Do it please! ... it is only a couple of joyless folk in a thread of over 50 posts.
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Sept 16, 2019 8:41:00 GMT
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One really good thing that did come out of the kettling experience though...
I never used to watch the motorcycle racing. A motorcycle race was a toilet or food break for me. Never even glanced at the bike stuff. But getting kettled meant I had to accept whichever two races I was going to be lucky enough to see, and one of them was the motorcycle racing the first time it happened.
If like me you have no interest in motorcycles and you assume that's not worth watching... think again. I was utterly blown away by the bikes. So insanely fast, so much risk taking. Such a dramatic race to watch.
So from then on watching the bikes was near the top of my 'to do' list despite me having no real interest in motorbikes. That is some seriously good stuff.
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Sept 16, 2019 8:44:06 GMT
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Jeez, what a cavalcade of joylessness. I was about to post up some more pics from Sunday, but I can’t be bothered now I think that's a bit strong TBH but I suppose it's to be expected, given that you always say that. Even the most negative of posts have included an upside to them, if you actually read what was said. People love these events and want them to be great, which is why it matters to them when they're not. Why must we be unthinking drones with a rictus grin fixed permanently, incapable of looking at something and saying "that might be better"? If humans didn't want to improve stuff all those races might be a bit less interesting because the cars would never have progressed from Daimler's wooden velocipede and you be watching a dozen self-propelled wicker baskets put-put around barely above walking pace With all due respect, I believe that entrance to such an event with the access-all-area PRESS pass tied around your arm might give one a slightly different experience and rather more positive perspective to someone who's paid a considerable amount of their own money to be there... in the places that they're allowed to be, that is C-Type green 52 d by Nick Liassides, on Flickr Starting to run out of positivity tax photos now
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Sept 16, 2019 8:49:23 GMT
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I suppose it's to be expected, given that you always say that. Lovely. OK, I think we're done here.
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Sept 16, 2019 8:53:13 GMT
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I mean if you like the racing, but don't like the whole Revivalness of the Revival... maybe go to the Classic at Spa, or Le Mans Classic, or Donnington Historic, or the Silverstone equivalent? Going to the Revival and complaining about the fancy dress, the fakery, the set dressing and the crowds is like going to the super market and complaining it is full of food, when you really just wanted to buy some batteries. All good points. Thing is... I'm twenty minutes from Goodwood so it's an easy breeze for me personally. So that's partly why I feel a bit despondent about the whole situation. It's a doorstep effort and I really want to enjoy it not come away frustrated. I could go further afield but to hijack your own analogy that would be like driving 250 miles to a supermarket for batteries when I have a supermarket with batteries at the end of the road.
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Sept 16, 2019 8:54:04 GMT
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Jeez, what a cavalcade of joylessness. I was about to post up some more pics from Sunday, but I can’t be bothered now Post em up. The pics are ace. Go on GO ONNNNNNN
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Sept 16, 2019 8:55:25 GMT
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With all due respect, I believe that entrance to such an event with the access-all-area PRESS pass tied around your arm might give one a slightly different experience and rather more positive perspective to someone who's paid a considerable amount of their own money to be there... in the places that they're allowed to be, that is oooh.... ZING!
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Sept 16, 2019 8:59:23 GMT
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I suppose it's to be expected, given that you always say that. Lovely. OK, I think we're done here. Sheesh, precious much? See, that's the perpetual Catch-22 of RR right there. Those who interpret "positivity" as "cannot discuss anything". Sorry, I thought the mantra was "post cars you like"; if there was a memo about all we are allowed to do is post photos of cars but never discuss them or anything else to do with them, I missed that one. Or maybe it's just that no-one on the internet ever actually reads a post, they pick out the words that suit their own agenda and run with that?
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Sept 16, 2019 9:09:02 GMT
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With all due respect, I believe that entrance to such an event with the access-all-area PRESS pass tied around your arm might give one a slightly different experience and rather more positive perspective to someone who's paid a considerable amount of their own money to be there... in the places that they're allowed to be, that is oooh.... ZING! Not zing It's a genuine point, I feel, not just an attempt at cheap point scoring. But it's true, you yourself have explained how difficult it can be to just get around the place. And when you do, you can't get in the paddocks without a pass, can't get in the grandstands without a pass, can't get in the members areas without waiting six years and paying hundreds of pounds... If it was not for the fact my wife is disabled we would not have seen any racing this year because you cannot get anywhere near trackside without a stand ticket and if you do manage to worm your way in, as soon as you need a wee or anything, your space is gone for good. To Goodwood's great credit they provide disabled viewing platforms but year after year with numbers increasing, they're inadequate so I have to stand back out of the way (obviously) because of the wheeled chairs and mobility devices... and no, I'm not complaining about this, clearly, but it's a statement of fact. The disabled accommodation is better than nothing, and token, and takes little account that disabled people have partners too... in fact, more dependably than able-bodied, I'd suggest, since they often need a helper. Anyway, right in front of one of the disabled viewing platforms is a lovely big press area, wide open, great view of the track, loads of room to stand at the fence... in fact, all the things that not even Members get provided for them as a paying visitor. I understand that Goodwood must provide this and I understand the press will not report positively about something if they can't access it. It's simply the way the world is. But it does mean that I stand by my statement that the press will have a different experience because of it to the paying punter. It's not pejorative, it's a simple statement of fact. But I cannot, for example, get on the roof of the pit building and take cool photos of stuff from funky angles because I'm a pleb. I'd love to, but I'm not allowed. I've paid something in the order of four hundred pounds to be there when you take our GRRC Membership into account, but someone who's presumably got in for free gets better access than me. Am I whining? Nope, I simply wish I could do the same. Am I resentful? Nope, because I expect that dbizzle will do exactly what I can't and post excellent photos on the Retro Rides forum after the event. I wish I could, but if I can't I'm happy others can. Even if they seem to deliberately and willfully misinterpret what is said
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Sept 16, 2019 10:15:05 GMT
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A minor correction - you cannot simply pay to access the paddocks. There's, what, 25000 people attending and if they all entered the paddock the mechanics couldn't work and the cars would never move for the crowds. As for 'press only' viewing areas, those are 'photographers' areas, even I can't wangle my way in there as you need PLI of something like £25 million in case you accidentally throw your lens under a Maserati which then ploughs into the crowd. Or something. There are so many visitors it's only sensible they limit access to certain places. Not many folks know that, at the very end of the event, you can walk on the track, get served champagne (for free) and watch the prize giving. You mix with the teams, mechanics, drivers, everyone, as the sun sets. No ticket needed, no huge crowds, great vibes and that nice feeling that you're somehow part of it. All this while the crowds sit in queues waiting to get home. @ NickI think you've got my details, I'd be happy to try and blag you and your missus access to the paddock next year. As long as you're smartly turned out then it shouldn't be a problem. Drop me a line, but don't tell the 24999 others trying to get in, please Genuine offer. @bizzle - More pics, please. I love your work. Mine are a bit iPhoney. ETA - I loved the Revival even when I had to buy my ticket (and one for the GF).
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Sept 16, 2019 10:46:25 GMT
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tdk if that photo you sent me is any gauge, I'm not sure I ought to be associated with that sort of thing Looks dangerously debauched Seriously though, very kind offer and all that, appreciate it. And you talk good sense about limiting numbers, although we did "just buy" a paddock entry thing. I'm honestly not sure we'll be going again. Mrs L7 is genuinely struggling to get around when it's as busy as this and it's truly amazing how many people are too important to wait for a woman with a walking stick rather than just barge her out of the way. So we end up spending most of the day either sitting in the Members' enclosure watching it on a TV screen (in which case why bother, might as well watch it on YouTube) or stuck in a surprisingly difficult to access disabled viewing platform with her sat in an uncomfortable folding chair and me wedged out of the way without even being close enough to hold a conversation
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Sept 16, 2019 10:53:27 GMT
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Jeez, what a cavalcade of joylessness. I was about to post up some more pics from Sunday, but I can’t be bothered now Aw, c'mon, you big girls blouse
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Sept 16, 2019 10:54:40 GMT
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One really good thing that did come out of the kettling experience though... I never used to watch the motorcycle racing. A motorcycle race was a toilet or food break for me. Never even glanced at the bike stuff. But getting kettled meant I had to accept whichever two races I was going to be lucky enough to see, and one of them was the motorcycle racing the first time it happened. If like me you have no interest in motorcycles and you assume that's not worth watching... think again. I was utterly blown away by the bikes. So insanely fast, so much risk taking. Such a dramatic race to watch. So from then on watching the bikes was near the top of my 'to do' list despite me having no real interest in motorbikes. That is some seriously good stuff. In my opinion bike racing knocks car racing into a cocked hat
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Sept 16, 2019 11:01:54 GMT
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One really good thing that did come out of the kettling experience though... I never used to watch the motorcycle racing. A motorcycle race was a toilet or food break for me. Never even glanced at the bike stuff. But getting kettled meant I had to accept whichever two races I was going to be lucky enough to see, and one of them was the motorcycle racing the first time it happened. If like me you have no interest in motorcycles and you assume that's not worth watching... think again. I was utterly blown away by the bikes. So insanely fast, so much risk taking. Such a dramatic race to watch. So from then on watching the bikes was near the top of my 'to do' list despite me having no real interest in motorbikes. That is some seriously good stuff. In my opinion bike racing knocks car racing into a cocked hat I've seen some really breath taking car action there over the years, but even with my complete absence of interest in bikes I completely agree. It would be daft to ever go to the Revival again and not watch the bikes. It is a whole level or two up in terms of the feeling of speed, thrill, danger, heroics etc.
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Sept 16, 2019 11:08:19 GMT
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In my opinion bike racing knocks car racing into a cocked hat Especially with legendary characters like Stavros Parrish cheating shamefully on the Le Mans start because "He hurt himself at the cricket" I didn't get a chance to annoy meet him at the Revival (becos busy) but this is the great man himself at the Festival of Speed modelling his own special take on wet weather gear Parrish by Nick Liassides, on Flickr
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Sept 16, 2019 11:49:23 GMT
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Well that went down hill pretty quickly! thanks to all that posted photos great to see as always
Ive only been once and that was as a non paid taxi driver like Mr Grumpy, it took 4 days of my time with very long working days but it was one of the best things ive ever done, we got put up in a big house near the circuit with a fully stocked wine/beer fridge and food, I met some fabulous people some famous and many others not famous but all were very nice people, they were all at the venue for one reason to have a great time and show off some superb cars that you may not see at any other time
So if you haven't been go once at least, if you don't like it don't go simples!!
Now can we have more pictures please which is how the post started!
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Sept 16, 2019 13:02:57 GMT
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Great photos and banter. Please post more of your pics dbizzle
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