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Oct 24, 2020 15:53:47 GMT
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Things have slowed up a lot since going back to school, although I have finished the front wings, which are just waiting to be re assembled once the paint has hardened and have now formed an art feature in the summer house. I was also sent a copy of the advert when it was sold, just after being "discovered" and a print of a photo when it first turned up at a Land Rover meet in the Netherlands, just after being purchased. It looks quite presentable in that picture and if the Dutch owner paid that price he didn't do bad out of me ten years latter when I purchased it in exactly the same condition 10 years latter at 3 times the price. Seemed extortionate at the time, even if it was a prototype, but I have been an enthusiast of these vehicles for a very long time and had to have it. By todays prices it seems a bargain, with rebuild projects starting around 10K for a production version. Other than painting one of the last jobs I have done is make some new fuel lines. The old steel ones were rotten or cut away and replaced with various bits of nylon and rubber tube. I managed to collect up and unsolder enough nipples from various old bits of pipe and remade them in copper and re-soldered the ends on. Not put any fuel in the system yet, so we will wait and see. Also refurbished a couple of petrol filters.
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Oct 24, 2020 16:53:51 GMT
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Oct 24, 2020 17:26:30 GMT
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Awesome work bookmarked
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Dec 20, 2020 10:53:19 GMT
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Progress on the station wagon is proceeding slowly, will post an update soon.
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What I am about to embark on perhaps requires a little explanation. On the production version of these station wagons, the windows in the rear passenger doors were sliding as modelled on my old truck here. But originally the prototype had fixed windows like this These doors are all split so the glazed tops can be removed from the rest of the door, in the same way as the front doors on a series one land rover. Rover kept LRSW107/4 up to 1960 as a factory hack, used for carting visitors around and very early on the prototype door tops were swapped for production ones. I have seen a photo (but don't currently have a copy) of king George with it in this state. My aim is to return it to how it looked in the early photographs and so I need to recreate these early tops. The simplest way in theory would be to convert the existing tops, however I don't want to do this as they are quite rare in their own right and I want to keep them as an alternative option. One friend of mine has suggested putting the production type one side and prototype one the other, to demonstrate the difference. To modify them is not just a case of cladding them in an aluminium panel and glazing them, the bar at the bottom is too high to allow for the correct size of glass, plus the the rubber glazing strip. In addition the profile of this bottom bar would be wrong as it did not appear for another year. I decided my only option was to convert some early front door tops, which fortunately are quite plentiful as I would need four of them.
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The conversion is basically a shut and cut job. The old front doors need to be reduced in hight, then narrowed and finally squared up, before adding a new reinforcing bar along the bottom. So with the aid of the trusty chop saw I started cutting the old tops up. Which provided me with these sections to join together. The bits were clamped to the production door top as a guide - which is when I discovered my error. I had assumed (makes an ASS out of U and ME) that the positions of the locating pins on both front and rear door would be the same inset from the outer door edges. Wrong! Quarter of an inch difference each end. Which meant I had to splice an extra bit of metal into the middle top and bottom. At least I had only cut the bits for one at this stage.
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These window sections are of very thin steel and comprise of one pressed part to form a Toblerone shape which is then spot welded to a flat section to form a box, Once the frames were manufactured the were galvanised. Whilst I cleaned up all the outside edges I could not efficiently clean the Zinc from the inside, a combination of zinc contamination and the thinness of the metal, meant that even on the lowest setting with the mig, it would just blow holes. Fortunately we experimented on off cuts first. Years ago dad used to do a lot of brazing. This was before mig welders and he couldn't get on welding thin stuff with a stick. I dug out the old brazing touch and hooked it up to the old arc welder and gave it a go. Fortunately it doesn't seem to generate the magnetic fields that welding does (my heart rate didn't pick up dramatically anyway) so it's something I can do for myself. The brazing worked well, was not troubled by any zinc contamination and after brazing the frame together and subjecting it to a bit of bending and twisting abuse in the vice only one joint fractured which I remade. I know brazing does not have the strength and penetration of welding, but even after linishing it held up. The frame isn't going to be structural and will have an aluminium panel wrapped around it, so hopefully will be fine. Here the main frame has been done and the extra bottom bar (part of another old door top) is being prepared to braze in. The flux is on ready. The final frames cam out well. Initially when placed on a flat surface there was a bit of twist, but a couple of strategic cuts in the back side of the frame, which were then brazed up delt with that. Yop right is the production door frame, the other two my concoctions, just marking out here to drill the holes for the anti-crush tubes that the door hinge bolts will go through. Backside of frames. This side will largely be visible inside the vehicle when completed, the otherside hidden by the ali panel. Once galvanised they should look ok. Anti-crush tubes salvaged from the old door tops ready to go in. Job done, now all that remains is to shave 1/4 inch of each external side of the frames, due to the pin position making the whole frame wider. With gap margins being what they are on these old Land Rovers I might get away with out doing this, but I also have to consider the ali sheet wrapped around it which will further increase the width by another 4mm. I don't want to have to take metal off once they are galvanised.
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glenanderson
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Nice job. I'm not sure how well a brazed joint will stand up to the heat of being galvanised though. I'd suggest some research before entrusting them to the dip tank.
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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As a thought you might find you can use a inverter mig welder, they don't generate anywhere near as much of magnetic field as the older transformer types.
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Nice job. I'm not sure how well a brazed joint will stand up to the heat of being galvanised though. I'd suggest some research before entrusting them to the dip tank. Hi Glen, I galvanised a door top some years ago that had a brazed repair and that worked out fine, admittedly that was a bigger butt joint. I am a little nervous of it though, but in theory should be OK . Melting point of zinc is 419 C and dip tanks are around 450C. Brass melts at 930C.
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As a thought you might find you can use a inverter mig welder, they don't generate anywhere near as much of magnetic field as the older transformer types. Thanks for the tip, something to look into for the future.
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What I am about to embark on perhaps requires a little explanation. On the production version of these station wagons, the windows in the rear passenger doors were sliding as modelled on my old truck here. But originally the prototype had fixed windows like this These doors are all split so the glazed tops can be removed from the rest of the door, in the same way as the front doors on a series one land rover. Rover kept LRSW107/4 up to 1960 as a factory hack, used for carting visitors around and very early on the prototype door tops were swapped for production ones. I have seen a photo (but don't currently have a copy) of king George with it in this state. My aim is to return it to how it looked in the early photographs and so I need to recreate these early tops. The simplest way in theory would be to convert the existing tops, however I don't want to do this as they are quite rare in their own right and I want to keep them as an alternative option. One friend of mine has suggested putting the production type one side and prototype one the other, to demonstrate the difference. To modify them is not just a case of cladding them in an aluminium panel and glazing them, the bar at the bottom is too high to allow for the correct size of glass, plus the the rubber glazing strip. In addition the profile of this bottom bar would be wrong as it did not appear for another year. I decided my only option was to convert some early front door tops, which fortunately are quite plentiful as I would need four of them. Are you sure it was King George? He died in 1952.
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homersimpson as you rightly point out, it can't be King George, I took the info I was told at face value. This is another poor quality image I have of the same event. My vehicle is in the background to the left and in the original you can make out the registration number SNX547. The chap in question is next to the bowler hatted chap (one of two in the photo) who I was told was police protection.
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This thread is fantastic, loving the background history and uniqueness of it and then seeing the care and attention to detail in bringing it back to its former glory 👍
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Jan 12, 2021 20:29:42 GMT
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the door top re-manufacture is fantastic
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Jan 27, 2021 14:02:02 GMT
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Recently I have been spending time on stripping all the galvanised steel parts from the aluminium panels. Drilling out pop rivets or knocking the heads off of solid rivets and punching them out. There is a lot to do and it is a time consuming job. I could just mask them up and spray around them, but often when I have seen this done, the paint fails in time at the interface, even with quite thorough preparation. In addition some of my galvanised cappings have lost some of their coating so are looking rusty, you can't really just redo some parts it will look like a patchwork quilt. Once redone, they will look a bit OTT and blingy for a while until they mellow down. I have got the instrument panel back together. Everything is cleaned and tested, but I have no way of testing the speedo and odometer, so they will be a wait and see. In theory you could test it with a drill. I tried that once before and it didn't end well. 2 correct pull switches have been found, the knobs of which still need a clean. The panel warning lights are a bit of engineering in themselves. considering this was a time of austerity, just making the parts and assembling these would have taken some time. 19 parts to make a lamp, now we have LEDs. One great bit of news I had today from a fellow enthusiast was my vehicle has been spotted in a bit of old Pathe News Reel footage, carting motoring journalists around during the series 2 launch. The link is attached and it is only a fleeting glimpse but the registration number SNX 547 can be seen. I knew Rover had kept the vehicle until after series one production finished, but never imagined it to be involved in that event. The long wheelbase series 2 station wagon didn't come off the production line until 6 months after the launch of the other models, which I guess they found the old series one the most efficient vehicle to move people around in bulk. Rover continued to make series one station wagons in that 6 month period, which is why the last series one manufactured was a station wagon. www.britishpathe.com/video/rover-reviewing-no-4/query/Rover+reviewing
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Last Edit: Jan 27, 2021 14:04:25 GMT by landieles
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raumer
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Jan 27, 2021 19:46:53 GMT
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Superb find with the Pathe video. We found the company that looks after the Pathe footage to be really helpful. Managed to get a full resolution version of the footage we needed without having to pay the broadcast cost, still had to pay but fairly reasonable. I can dig out the details of what version they called it if you are interested.
Completely agree on it being worth the effort to remove the galvanised parts and redoing them. Some very good restorations are let down by painted galv trim. Might as well do it right once.
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Mine: 1938 Scammell Pioneer R100, 1944 Scammell Pioneer SV2/S, 1959 Kraz 255b tractor unit, 1960 Unipower Industrial ballast tractor, 1960 88 Landrover Series 2 SWB, 1983 110 Landrover CSW
Look after: 1935 Scammell Rigid 6, 1951 Scammell Scarab, 1961 Landrover Prototype, 1985 Landrover 110
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glenanderson
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Jan 27, 2021 20:41:51 GMT
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Another positive for the Pathé people. I found footage featuring my father, shot in 1964, and they were very helpful. You can get quality stills from them too.
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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Superb find with the Pathe video. We found the company that looks after the Pathe footage to be really helpful. Managed to get a full resolution version of the footage we needed without having to pay the broadcast cost, still had to pay but fairly reasonable. I can dig out the details of what version they called it if you are interested. Completely agree on it being worth the effort to remove the galvanised parts and redoing them. Some very good restorations are let down by painted galv trim. Might as well do it right once. Would be very interested in those details please Raumer . I see they do stills at £120, but if I can get that price down it would be helpful.
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Jan 28, 2021 21:23:25 GMT
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i'd give my left testicle to have the accent of the land rover voice over man
"a job of work"
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