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Apr 12, 2021 21:00:42 GMT
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For me I dislike how out of control I can feel. I'm so impulsive and obsessive. How are you in other areas of your life? I hear there’s a symptom of adhd where you don’t realise quite how much time you spend doing something and become solely focused on the thing to the point of self destruction, I have been out working on the cars in the rain at 1am because I want something finished rather than going to sleep and doing it the next day, I wake up, I look at cars and research the parts I’m missing or want, then work but am constantly making notes of this and that then when I finish work in back at the grind, I can quite literally spend days looking/researching for more and more and more. I struggle to sleep well as a result probably 2-3 times a week. My time off is not on holiday, I haven’t been on holiday at all in my adult life that I have arranged, it’s just not important to me, time off is at the garage or in the garden. When it comes to household chores and diy. What are they? It’s not that I don’t do them it’s that in no way do I put them even close to the front of my importance chart. I think I should probably go for testing because I think there absolutely is a chance there is something wrong with me, I live, breath and sleep cars. I struggle with conversations that aren’t cars, I’m extremely lucky my partner has been accepting of my affliction for cars.
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I have exactly the same problem, i have more projects than i will ever have time to finish, and keep getting more
Mostly old fords and Land Rovers, but i have yet to meet a landy enthusiast who just has one, we all start with great intentions but I'm sure mine breed overnight, ( i currently have 5, only one of which is roadworthy, and also my sole means of transportation out of 14 cars) Justification? Visit an autojumble, see the number of people cheerfully buying parts/cars they don't need or necessarily want, but look at the smile on their faces! When we autojumble I frequently come home with as much stuff as i went with, but different from what i took Its good for me, and SWOMBO has given up worrying about it, apart from which if i do actually make some money I shout about it, so she thinks its all worthwhile 😀
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In the last two years I've only acquired one additional car. Technically it belongs to my youngest but it's registered in my name cos he's not old enough.
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My biggest problem is I like so many classic/retro and even some modern cars (and motorbikes) And I want them all but it's impossible My problem isn't the biggest problem, only 6 cars to my name (5 on the road), but for the last 10 years I have just bought and kept them! My issue, if there is one, is a combination of these. There's a relative handful (30 or so) of cars that I really, really want to own. Mostly old Brits and Italians, with a handful of French cars too. The trouble is that I don't tend to have enough disposable income (or restraint) to buy good examples so they all tend to be pretty major projects. I get pretty attached to them as well, not really wanting to give up when they turn out to need way more work than I was anticipating, so I end up keeping them. Compared to most on here I've not had that many cars, but I've still got pretty much all of them! Fleet's sitting at 11 at the moment, but pretty much all of them are major projects (currently only one is on the road, and the MoT's elapsed on that one). I don't really see it as all that much of an issue though (and luckily neither does my partner). I figure you need to have something to do with your life, and mucking about with cars is every bit as valid as the next thing (maybe not stuff like charity work, but most people don't seem to do that either). Certainly beats sitting around watching Eastenders. I actually enjoy doing stuff on them as well, so that part is therapeutic for me as well (and I just enjoy owning them, even if they don't work), so it's not all in the driving (or the purchasing) for me. I've reached the conclusion recently that I probably want too many cars for me to actually get finished with the time and money I have available to me. So I've sold off one, plan to sell of a handful more, and have put together a clear order for which cars need doing in what order (Jag, Spitfire, Alfa/Triumph, Triumph/Alfa, Fiat, free slot). I also make sure I spend at least a little time doing other stuff I enjoy, even if I enjoy it a little less than cars (or don't feel as compelled to do it). Helps keep you a rounded person, and gives you a backup activity for when the main one's not going well. I've got a little list to remind me when I forget what they are Oh, and the last thing I've done is actually keep track of how much I've spent (as an extension of me spending lots of time making my paycheck stretch as far as it can). It's sitting at £14,862 for the Spit, £8,557 for the Jag, £3400 for the Alfa, £4,980 for the 2000, £875 for the BX, £8,735 for the X1/9, and £2,826 for the MGF. There's a bit of cheating involved as I'm not including stuff like postage or tools (or time!), but it all comes to £35,678. I'm not done yet, but even if I've got £15,000 left to spend (which seems realistic), that's still only a couple of quid more than the MSRP of a brand new BMW M340i. Is it the cheapest hobby? Absolutely not! Is it as expensive as you think? Probably not either. Spending £20 down the pub once a week for 10 years costs you £10,400. Doing stuff you enjoy costs money, which is why it's so pants when you don't have any! I feel like I've got a different issue (or at least a different manifestation) than the folks who enjoy the hunt of getting a new car more than they enjoy the car itself afterwards. Perhaps an option there is to recognise that, and turn it more into a wheeling and dealing hobby. Buy cars you fancy owning, and try to sell them on to bankroll getting the next one. The goal changes from owning the car, to owning the car briefly and using it to help purchase the next one. Mine's more about time management. Making sure I don't spend all day every day mucking about on cars to the detriment of my other half, and spending all my disposable income on car bits rather than the odd holiday and saving for a house etc. I try to acknowledge that it's a major part of who I am, embrace it and try to have fun with it, and try to moderate it where it has the potential to impact on other aspects of life that are also important (I've come to terms with house ownership and kids putting a dent in progress, but that's life).
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tofufi
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Apr 13, 2021 10:17:24 GMT
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Oh, and the last thing I've done is actually keep track of how much I've spent (as an extension of me spending lots of time making my paycheck stretch as far as it can). I try to do exactly the opposite and generally avoid thinking about what I spend on cars. Although I've been keeping track of my MX5 turbo/1.8VVT swap, and taking into account the donor car parts sold on it's cost me a total of £42 so far My problem is sentimentality. I've owned my first car for more than half my life, and am not good at letting cars go. As a result, I've got 7 (soon to be 8) and have never sold/scrapped a car other than a few I've bought as donors (which were all truly rotten, or sold as working vehicles). All of my cars are still on the road and working, so at least I'm not hoarding a load of classics which are slowly rotting into the ground and never being used
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Last Edit: Apr 13, 2021 10:22:51 GMT by tofufi
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Apr 13, 2021 11:06:52 GMT
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I try to do exactly the opposite and generally avoid thinking about what I spend on cars. Although I've been keeping track of my MX5 turbo/1.8VVT swap, and taking into account the donor car parts sold on it's cost me a total of £42 so far My problem is sentimentality. I've owned my first car for more than half my life, and am not good at letting cars go. As a result, I've got 7 (soon to be 8) and have never sold/scrapped a car other than a few I've bought as donors (which were all truly rotten, or sold as working vehicles). All of my cars are still on the road and working, so at least I'm not hoarding a load of classics which are slowly rotting into the ground and never being used Yeah a lot of people have told me not to count! But TBH it really hasn't been as much as I'd thought it was. Don't get me wrong, it's a lot of money, but I can't really think of much else I'd have spent it on that would have got me as much enjoyment. Perhaps travelling the world (you could see a lot of the world for £35k), but doing car stuff has taught me a lot of skills that have been useful in other aspects of life which I can't see travelling doing as much of (you learn a lot travelling too, but I feel I've done enough of that as well to learn those lessons). Sentimentality's a big thing for me as well. I find it hard to let go of cars that I view as truly mine, even when they don't really fit into the fleet by any rational standard (the plans for the Alfa 75 and Triumph 2000 will have them be very similar in capabilities and role, and the same for the X1/9 and Spitfire, and the Jag will be nearly as economical as the Citroen while being RWD and habing 330bhp more!). Oh, and the MGB is completely and utterly rotten, and the plan for it is so outlandish it'll probably never get done...but it's mine and I feel bad if I don't plan to do it. Oh, and careful about the 'at least I'm not hoarding cars that are slowly rotting into the ground' thing. It's amazing how quickly the tables can turn on that one 2 years ago I was in a position where I could take a different vehicle to work every day of the week, and now here I am borrowing the family pickup as the only car that's on the road has missed its MoT (and needs welding to get it through, and is also blowing from one of the rings). It's not as if I've been idle over the past 2 years either. I've worked harder on cars over lockdown than I ever have before! There's a fair bit of inadvisable purchases driving that (for a given budget I tend to choose to buy the cars I want, rather than ones that don't need work), but it really does sneak up on you!
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Apr 13, 2021 11:23:00 GMT
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Thanks for dragging this thread back up The Jackeria, and for alerting me to what I wrote nearly two years ago duncanmartin I appreciate that Well almost two year on it seems that my addicition has still not been cured, and infact if anything it's worse. The culling of my thirteen cars down to a sensible number hasn't gone at all to plan, and until two nights ago I was knocking on the door of twenty... That door has now been kicked in and I am in there! This being said in the last two years I've only(!) bought ten new cars which puts me at 102 cars in my back catalogue! All of this being said I really do now need to get a grip and start having a proper culling as the local council have decided that almost all of the roads in my town need to be permit parking only, so now I can't park all my cars anywhere near my house, and have to drive almost five miles to the housing estate where I've left my junk! This is not ideal, or good! Anyhoo, heres a snap of number 102... My name is pistonpopper and I am an addict.
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tofufi
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Apr 13, 2021 12:37:49 GMT
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Sentimentality's a big thing for me as well. I find it hard to let go of cars that I view as truly mine, even when they don't really fit into the fleet by any rational standard (the plans for the Alfa 75 and Triumph 2000 will have them be very similar in capabilities and role, and the same for the X1/9 and Spitfire, and the Jag will be nearly as economical as the Citroen while being RWD and habing 330bhp more!). Oh, and the MGB is completely and utterly rotten, and the plan for it is so outlandish it'll probably never get done...but it's mine and I feel bad if I don't plan to do it. Oh, and careful about the 'at least I'm not hoarding cars that are slowly rotting into the ground' thing. It's amazing how quickly the tables can turn on that one 2 years ago I was in a position where I could take a different vehicle to work every day of the week, and now here I am borrowing the family pickup as the only car that's on the road has missed its MoT (and needs welding to get it through, and is also blowing from one of the rings). It's not as if I've been idle over the past 2 years either. I've worked harder on cars over lockdown than I ever have before! There's a fair bit of inadvisable purchases driving that (for a given budget I tend to choose to buy the cars I want, rather than ones that don't need work), but it really does sneak up on you! Indeed Luckily my 7 are all fairly different in terms of capability (2 seat convertible, van, sports saloon, diesel estate, 2 1960s small cars and a sleeper 80s hatch) so don't overlap. Fair point on the rotting into the ground. All mine are stored undercover which does make a difference to how quickly they deteriorate. Currently planning garage expansion to allow even better storage!
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Apr 13, 2021 13:34:43 GMT
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Fair point on the rotting into the ground. All mine are stored undercover which does make a difference to how quickly they deteriorate. Currently planning garage expansion to allow even better storage! Yeah I think that's the critical factor on this drizzly island for which trajectory a given fleet is on. Mine are mostly outside! I'm also of the unfortunate opinion for a classic car enthusiast that cars should be able to live outside without rotting into nothingness. Means that I'm committed to a much higher standard of rustproofing than is strictly necessary, and meaning that even really minty cars I might buy will end up being full projects just to get them sealed enough that they'll survive outside long-term.
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Apr 13, 2021 14:10:44 GMT
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In the last two years I've only acquired one additional car. Technically it belongs to my youngest but it's registered in my name cos he's not old enough. Beware!!! This is a slippery slope 😀 Mk2 son got his first car at 9, due to a school helper realising his interest, snd the fact that we have a small piece of land he could drive round This escalated to a field owned by a friend Hes now 25, he currently has three cars, capri, 105e and a sapphire, and hes gone through probably 20 since finding he xan make money at it! Not only that, he has his eye on my 1600e! Hes been told that if anything happens to it, he’ll not make 26!
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Apr 13, 2021 14:15:40 GMT
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I should probably also add that I’ll buy a car for one pr two parts that i need, and sell on what is reuseable, only project or wrecked cars though, i don’t like destroying something that stands a chance at another life
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bstardchild
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Have I got a car problem?bstardchild
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Apr 13, 2021 14:27:56 GMT
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You are all weird - I don't have a problem at all - in fact I'm the most sensible person I know (in my little car gang) with the smallest fleet of cars. I have 7 cars (only 2 are on the road, 2 are long term projects and the others well get rotated in and out of use) and 4 motorcycles (1 is roadworthy, 2 are capable of being put on the road with a little effort - 1 is a basket case) Mrs BC says I do have a problem but meh who the heck would believe her
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tofufi
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Apr 13, 2021 15:01:12 GMT
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Mine are mostly outside! I'm also of the unfortunate opinion for a classic car enthusiast that cars should be able to live outside without rotting into nothingness. Unfortunately, several of mine leak - some a lot, some a little. I have spent hours and hours trying to source leaks, not just on mine but also on my parent's car (they've owned for 21 years...). It becomes harder on the older/rarer stuff where parts just aren't available. Without being stored away from the worst of the elements I know there would be an element of them rotting from the inside out. I've only got one that pretty much doesn't go out in the rain, but it's pretty much show standard. All the others get used, but kept dry when not out and about.
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Last Edit: Apr 13, 2021 15:03:57 GMT by tofufi
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Dez
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Have I got a car problem?Dez
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Apr 13, 2021 16:48:50 GMT
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When it comes down to it you need to own a lot of different cars to figure out what you really like.
What you *actually* like, not what you *think* you like. We all know the reality can be far from the dream, never meet your heroes, etc.
I’ve done over 500 cars over 20 years, of wildly varying marques/nationalities/types, and only now have I really pinned down what I enjoy owning, building, driving and working on most.
As long as you’re not losing loads of money you can’t afford to spend, does it really matter? Out of all those cars I’ve only ever lost money on two, both Vauxhalls and largely why i now hate the marque. And without a huge amount of trading up on the others I’d never be able to afford what I’ve now got, not to mention the huge amount of knowledge and experience I’ve gained from them all.
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Last Edit: Apr 13, 2021 16:49:52 GMT by Dez
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Apr 14, 2021 14:37:17 GMT
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I love cars. I always have - since the age of about 3 when going out for walks with my Mum and learning to identify different makes. That said, I have never been one to have loads of cars. In fact the most I have ever had at one time is 3. My main issue for this is cashflow. I do not work in a high-paying environment (money is not a great motivator for me - although I like nice things I am not that bothered if I have to save up for them - if anything it makes it more of a fun situation). One thing I will NOT do is to get into any form of debt over a car - I did this once, and it took me an absolute age to sort myself out again. Therefore I have one daily and one project. If I was to come into money (lottery win etc), then I would probably increase that to 5, but the point is I can only drive one car at a time and I have enough issues with my one project. My dream list? This changes on a weekly basis, but for now... 1971 Mustang Mach 1 fastback (orange) 1971 Mini Cooper S Mk3 A Series 3 Land Rover An AC Cobra (which I would probably die in, backwards, through a wall, on fire) Mercedes R170 AMG 32 In penance, here's a picture of the Cobra from the Gumball Rally.
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duncanmartin
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Have I got a car problem?duncanmartin
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Apr 14, 2021 14:47:51 GMT
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I'm beginning to think that I don't fit in here - the most I've ever owned at one time is 3 cars (one had an MOT, one was a project, and one was spares). Maybe it's because I've never really had anywhere to put more than 2 cars, or maybe it's because cash has been tight, my mechanical skills are poor, and my wife is sensible (and can't drive). How do you guys keep up with all those cars? I got frustrated when I had a daily banger and a nice (modified) classic because I didn't drive the classic enough! A daily and a (ideally driving) project is enough for me. I might have a minor problem with bicycles though - I own 5, plus enough parts to build another 2, and a half finished trike. And that's after I got rid of 2 so I could get the car in the garage! Cross posted with Mr Bounce.
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Apr 14, 2021 18:44:30 GMT
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I managed to have 3 cars when living in a small terraced house with a drive, one daily, one project and a longterm keeper which moved between my mum& dads and a friend with a garage block ( oooohh posh!) That changed when i moved to a semi-derelict old farmhouse, with outbuildings and about 1.5 acres Needless to say, the collection has increased to overflow the available space...🤔
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bstardchild
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Have I got a car problem?bstardchild
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Apr 14, 2021 20:56:12 GMT
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I managed to have 3 cars when living in a small terraced house with a drive, one daily, one project and a longterm keeper which moved between my mum& dads and a friend with a garage block ( oooohh posh!) That changed when i moved to a semi-derelict old farmhouse, with outbuildings and about 1.5 acres Needless to say, the collection has increased to overflow the available space...🤔 I had a two car drive and a single (no car in reality) garage I extended the garage to be a decent two car space I extended the parking area to take four cars with ease (five if you get clever) I think space is a problem - if I have it I will fill it............... I still don't think I have a problem mind
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Apr 15, 2021 11:37:23 GMT
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I Love this thread, I suppose the original poster now thinks he is perfectly normal with all these car hoarders on here. That was probably the point of starting this thread! I don't really get bored of cars. My dream car has always been a series landrover, and I bought one when I was 17 as my first car. Today I am 47 and I still have it. We have been through so much all over the world and the amount of time I spend on it makes it weight worth in gold. It has been in the garage for the last 3 years, but can shortly be taken to the MOT station. It is hard to understand to normal people what I like about it, most people see an old, bashed heap of a landy, I see it as proof of a lifetime adventure.
I bought a mahindra jeep recently, as I figured after 30 years on one car, there is more in the world than land rovers, and I fancied a classic car as well as a convertible. So that is my current focus. I always said you need to stick to one project, and disobeyed this rule myself. If you stick to one project I found you have a chance to get it in the state you want, if more, there is no chance and you end up with several sub-standard cars. So I didn't stick to my own rule, But no regrets.
My daily is polo bluemotion, which I bought in 2012. I am considering trading it in but want to achieve 10 years at least in it. Plenty of interesting stuff out there, but the cheapness of a polo BM makes it impossible to shift it. I also never got in debt for a car, always bought it for cash i had.
My wife has a peugeot 308 SW, the family barge which I look after as well. Bought new in 2010. More cars are not allowed by the boss, and we don't have space for it. It is one out and one in if I consider another car.
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gryphon
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Have I got a car problem?gryphon
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I like this thread too - it puts my 'problem' into perspective Small fry compared to some, but in my life I've bought 7 cars and sold 1... So I have 6 currently, and my other half has 2, in a house with a driveway that fits 4 at a squeeze! I've always gone with having project(s) and one modernish reliable daily, but recently bought a nicely specced dog of an e39 530d touring to replace my reliable, modern Mazda 6. Got that home and had a bit of a wtf am I doing breakdown and got very down about it all for a while. Once I sell the 6 every car own will be a project and I don't have time for them all... Still, gotta give the e39 a chance, so the 6 has to become the second car I'll ever sell!
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Last Edit: Apr 16, 2021 8:32:17 GMT by gryphon
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