Flynn
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Good evening all, I've had this car for nearly 3 years, it was (and in many ways still is) a complete basket case when I bought it unseen off eBay from a chap 300 miles away. The original objective back in 2016 was as follows: - Purchase cheap old vehicle that I have fancied for a bit that fundamentally is all there and works but needs some care and attention... To keep me busy over the winter and then enjoy the following summer. I had just moved house and so cash was in short supply, I always regretted selling my Range Rover classic but all I could now afford were completely rotten examples which needed far more work than I was really willing to commit to (little did I know what this Jag was about to get me involved in!) I am a big boaty car sort of man (previous fleet has included many Range Rovers - P38 is my favourite flavour, glutton for punishment you see, also some W210 E class Mercedes, you get the picture, I prefer to waft rather than scuttle from place to place). So when this Jaguar XJ6 series 2 appeared on eBay for well within my price range, I was plenty excited. I had a little back and forth discussion about general condition and delivery with the seller and I eventually won and he agreed for a very fair fee to deliver the car to my house. A few days after winning the auction, the car turns up on the back of this chap's transporter and he proceeds to drive it off the transporter and up my driveway with no problems, the interior lights worked, the exterior lights worked, it all seemed to sound and run well... "On to a winner here" I naively thought to myself. This is it more or less as it arrived, I had by this point put new tyres on and some fancy (cheap) modern clear halogen headlamps as the original sealed beam units were broken beyond repair and even when they do work, are pretty hopeless. I had my first inspection underneath and all looked well, no serious rot (more on this later) but anything rubber had long dried up, perished and fallen off, I set about replacing most of the bushes and then decided to take the plunge and replace all 4 brake calipers and the master cylinder due to some pretty severe corrosion and also due to the fact SNG Barratt were doing a special offer on these components at the time. Months passed and with a few hours of fettling away on something or other each week, I had got to a point where I thought I was ready for an MOT so I booked one and duly turned up hoping for the best. To my disappointment I came away with a failure thanks to excessiive corrosion on the nearside sill. "Corrosion?! What Corrosion?!" I thought. The MOT tester was an old boy who had seen a few tricks in his time and he said this was right up there with the best of the them. The lower half of the whole length of the outer sill had been crafted out of some thin sheet steel, pop riveted to what was left of the inner and the outer sills and then body fillered, with the finishing touch of texturing the body filler along the bottom seam to look like spot welds. Best of all were the jacking points, which were now made of around 20kg of concrete that the previous owner had ingeniously poured in somehow. This level of bodgery must have taken someone a really long time, I guess they wanted the car on the road but just didn't have the money and/or the skills to get there. This picture is after some time spent hacking away at the car with a bolster chisel - not a tool I ever thought appropriate for use on a car but there you go. Over the following weeks I repaired the jacking points and inner sills which weren't too bad and replaced the outer sill for a whole new panel. Progress slowed after this, motivation dulled and life got in the way. A friend suggested that I use the Jag for 'drive it day' 2018, he was going to be attending the Sunday Scramble event at Bicester Heritage and said I should book a ticket and come along, this way I would have to get the Jag through an MOT test or risk losing £7 worth of ticket. This gave me the energy to finish off the last few jobs that I had started and get it booked in for MOT, to my surprise the old girl only bloody passed! With about a week to spare before drive it day too. Here it is following a shake down road test following the MOT (the first proper drive I had taken in it) I'll stop there for now - I've been typing a while and I have no idea if my photo uploads have been successful or not...
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1971 MGB GT 1983 Daimler Sovereign 4.2 1999 Jaguar XJR
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Good work getting the old girl back on the road. Seen(and sometimes participated in) a lot of bodgery before, but CONCRETE!?! That's a first for me
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Looking like a good platform to build on, even if it 's a bit rough round the edges.
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Your description of the bodges sounds like they worked harder than if it had been fixed the right way!
Good to see the car back on the road😎
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I had an XJ6 s1 in Sable and a XJ6L s2 so this is like a meld of those 2 cars. It should be a very worthwhile project, I hope there are no more horror story bodges!
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Flynn
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Club RR Member Number: 166
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Thanks for the replies. andyg16v, I certainly agree, it must have taken someone hours and hours and hours to do such a terrible job! Where was I... Yes. Drive it day 2018. So the car is now successfully through its first MOT test since it was last on the road in 1983 and I am feeling splendid about the whole thing. The morning of drive it day arrives and I have a 60 or so mile drive to Bicester Heritage from my house, avoiding motorways. At this point the longest journey I have made in this car is to the MOT station and back again, some 15 miles round trip and so, I am feeling a little anxious about covering so many miles with only a simple selection of tools that I had prepared and carried in the boot and no breakdown cover but I didn't want to miss the show, and I was really interested to finally find out after 2 years of owning this thing, what it was actually like to drive! I set off nice and early and had the local roads to myself, as I joined the first main road of the journey, all seemed well... In fact the first 30 miles are just perfect, all is fine, I am getting used to the car and it drives exactly as I had hoped, really smooth, softly sprung and just gliding over surfaces that would upset my modern daily runaround. Engine sounds good although oil pressure seems a little on the low side (more on this later!). The information I have for the car suggests an oil pressure figure of 40psi at 3000rpm when hot. My engine was producing no more than 30psi. I decided to keep marching on as at this point I was now nearer to Bicester Heritage than home and well, it was an old engine in a bodged car so I wasn't expecting much. Around 40 miles in and the first sign of trouble appears. A bizarre and intermittent squealing noise that coincides with a feeling of drag, as if the brakes are being applied. My first thoughts are around transmission problems but in any case thought it prudent to pull off the road and take a look and see what I could find. My roadside investigation revealed nothing, gear oil a touch low but still above minimum and doesn't smell horrific, everything underneath and in the engine bay looks ok too. I let the car cool for a minute or two and then got back on the road. Within a few miles the intermittent noise returns and the same 'brakes on' feeling comes with it. Now 10 miles out from Bicester I just keep pressing on, bound to have a better chance of fixing whatever this is there than at the road side! I join the queue to enter Bicester Heritage, it's crawling along quite nicely at just above walking pace and I can see chaps in high viz coats off in the distance so I knew I had more or less completed my outbound journey. If you can remember drive it day 2018 it was a remarkably warm and sunny day, I had been crawling along in the queue for a couple of minutes when I notice the water temperature gauge slowly but surely creeping off towards the 'H' for hot marking. "No problem, just another minute or two and then I can park up, shut the engine off and let it cool off for a few hours" I thought. Having never been to a Sunday Scramble event before I was unaware that as I was driving something old and it was early on in the day, I would be directed to park in amongst the old hangars, right in the centre of the action. Panic set in as marshall after marshall kept beckoning me ever further in to the maze of service roads. When I finally pulled in to a parking spot the car was boiling over. When I shut the engine off, the overflow pipe on the coolant expansion tank fired most of the contents of the cooling system over the now white hot exhaust manifold. I put on an impromptu smoke show which was as dramatic as it was embarrassing. I locked the car and walked away in a hurry. If you've never been to Bicester Heritage, you really must go, the Sunday Scramble events are brilliant, the variety of vehicles there is unparalleled, Ferrari 250s rubbing shoulders with Green Goddess fire trucks, great stuff! Anyway, I spend a few hours wandering around and chatting to a few friends. In this time I have managed to get hold of an empty 2 litre plastic bottle and found a workshop with an outside water tap on free vend so that I could refill my cooling system! I also purchased some gear oil and gave the gearbox a topping up too. I have a good look and prod about but can't see anything immediately obvious that would have caused the screeching noise and the dragging feeling so, nervously I depart on my 60 mile journey home. It was as I accelerated out of the Bicester Heritage site on to the main road I heard a thunk and notice I had shed some small parts rearward, looking in my rear view mirror, the mint condition MX5 behind seemed to be giving me a very large gap. Seeing as my car was still running fine at this point, I decided to throw caution to the wind and just keep going. It wasn't until 40 miles in that I pulled over to check out what had happened. Upon opening the bonnet, it became immediately obvious that the roll pin, special washer and securing bolt that holds the viscous fan unit to the water pump had fallen off, the large metal cooling fan had then fired itself at the radiator, miraculously not damaging anything and just parking itself in between the fan cowling and the radiator. I plucked the fan out of the engine bay and stuck it in the boot, chuckling to myself about how comical that scene must have been to passing motorists. I made it home! Oil pressure when on idle now virtually non-existent but decided that was another problem for another day. I took a look at the viscous coupling for the fan and it had partially seized, the intermittent screeching noise I was hearing was the viscous unit locking up then letting go, the sensation of dragging was the load of the fan being placed on the engine. The massive overheat caused in part by having no cooling fan (also the waterways in the block were absolutely chock full of gunk but we don't find this out for a whole other year at this point!) Wow I have written A LOT! Stay tuned as I have a whole lot more disappointment with this car to tell you all about!
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1971 MGB GT 1983 Daimler Sovereign 4.2 1999 Jaguar XJR
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Nice write-up, almost like reading a novel Good progress on the car and look forward to reading the next episode.
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Flynn
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So I've brought you all the way along from 2016 to 2018 and so far, we have got the car through an MOT test, took it out for a long run and it wasn't without incident. I had never bothered too much with the engine on this car since it arrived, it ran ok and that was enough for me up to now. I had already serviced the carbs and replaced the automatic choke for a manual conversion. I also replaced the very tired distributor for a new one with electronic ignition. To give you an idea of what I am referring to, this is what the engine bay looked like in early summer 2018: You'll notice the previous owner had got handy with his paint brush in here, painting the thing gold to mimic an E-Type engine I assume. I had changed the engine oil and filter and the oil pressure situation seemed to improve marginally so I thought I would use the car as much as I could, finally able to put some miles on and enjoy it over the summer of 2018 and then review what I wanted to do with the car later on as at this point I had spent quite a bit more than the car was worth. I just can't stop tinkering though you see... I could hear a little top end ticking, I stripped the cams out to measure and adjust the valve clearances and fit some tappet bore hold down kits too (it's a Jag thing - particularly on the exhaust side, the pressed in bores that the tappets travel in can shift, get smashed to pieces by the cam and worst case, cause catastrophic engine failure, a hold down kit eliminates this risk.) I measured the exhaust valve clearances and they were all way too tight, I had a little trip planned for the Jag so I had a friend in a machine shop surface grind down my tappet shims to wafer thin items - I actually winced when fitting these as they were so wildly out of spec. haha. Little jaunt completed, I couldn't use the car with a clear head knowing my wafer thin tappet shims were in there so I took the cylinder head off and sent it off to Coventry Classic Engines for a full overhaul, my thinking being that the bottom end 'seemed' ok (more on this later) so with a refreshed cylinder head, I'd have a reasonably healthy engine, which I could use and then could sell the car with a clear conscience. I had told the guys at the engine shop that I was in no rush for the cylinder head (two other project cars on the go at this point as well as getting married and changing jobs!) so months now pass with no action at all. You now join me in January of this year. I have booked on to the Hagerty drive it day tour on April 28th 2019, I booked this so I was forced to have some motivation to get the car back together and working again. Cylinder head comes back from the engine shop and is absolutely beautiful, better than new. I refit it and run the engine up, all fine, sounds great. I take the car to the shops for a little shake down run. I start the engine in the supermarket car park and can't help but hear a distinct low thud from the engine on a regular frequency that increases with engine speed. By the time I get home it sounds like this: Instagram video
Great! First thoughts are to push the car in to a hedge and set fire to it. Instead of doing that, I decided I would try to source a running engine that I would fit to my car whilst I remove and carefully rebuild the original engine at my own pace, this would allow me to get a summer out of the car and attend the drive it day tour. Seemed like a great plan to me at the time. I scour the usual sources and eventually on eBay find a reasonably priced engine in north London described as 'running when removed, only removed from vehicle due to excessive corrosion, the engine was fine'. I have the journey from hell to pick the eBay engine up, going after work on a Monday night, hitting London at 9pm and then enduring motorway closures on the way back, what was supposed to be a 2 hour return leg took over 4 hours. I was pretty much crying at one point and finally got home past 1am. Still, the chap selling the engine was nice enough, we chatted about old jags for a while and he helped me load the engine in to the back of the van I had borrowed. Next day I got straight to work and loaded the eBay engine on to my engine stand for what was supposed to be a quick look over before I fitted it to the car. I removed the sump plug and emptied out a thick, light green coloured emulsified paste... Not the best start. I started taking the cylinder head off, got to one of the cylinder head nuts and found the stud that it was attached to had snapped. I assume this was why this engine was removed, I can even imagine the frustration of whoever had snapped the stud, it looked like they had just refitted the cylinder for some reason or another and this must have been such a disappointment, it certainly was to me! Trouble is with these later XK engines is that the cylinder head studs are secured towards the bottom of the cylinders so about 6 inches of the length of the stud sits in the water jacket exposed to the coolant, a neglected engine ran with little to no glycol will get enough corrosion on this section of the stud to the point that they can't take the torque of the securing nut and shear off, below the deck of the block, making a repair at home very tricky (I would need to have made or got hold of a drill and a tap set with each component about 18 inches long). I now had 2 knackered engines, no desire to spend any more money on this project and about 2 months before the drive it day tour. I spent a few days away from the garage just cursing the car and looking at modern automotive toss, dreaming of warranties and service plans. I soon came to my senses and ventured back in to the garage, completely stripping the eBay engine to find a crankshaft in good order, oversize pistons and rods that would certainly go again and many fixings that are always good to have on the shelf. I stuck the block out of the way and am still deciding what I might do with it. Good pistons and crank from the eBay unitI then removed the original engine from the car and began stripping that to see what the cause of that awful noise was and see what I might be able to reuse. I found that the block was in decent shape but 3 of the pistons were toast, really badly scored. The cylinders weren't looking too smart either and the crank journals had some marks on them. I think what happened was with the less than ideal oil pressure, the little ends had started to get hot and get tight, the noise was the piston on the worst cylinder making a row when it changed direction in the cylinder. I was hoping for some gruesome scene of twisted metal but there was nothing like that, all quite boring really. As luck would have it, the pistons from the eBay engine were in good order and were +.020" oversize, my original block with scored cylinder was still standard size. I took the block off to Coventry Boring and Metalling and had them overbore and hone to +.020" and to my delight, the bores cleaned up perfectly. I cleaned everything up and started reassembling the engine, I spent a great deal of time removing sediment from the water jacket, at first with a pressure washer, and then brake cleaner and an airline, I had removed a huge amount in the end (when I refilled the coolant system I had gained a whole extra litre of capacity!). I got a good deal on new parts from various sources, got an absolute bargain on new cylinder head studs as a set from David Manners Group, definitely worth shopping around as the difference in pricing was substantial. We're still a few weeks out from drive it day at this point and progress is slow but steady: With a little less than two weeks to go, the engine was rebuilt and back in the car. I wanted to get it running and prove it out before I felt confident to carry on with the drive it day tour. I painted the block but didn't have time or inclination to do much else. It matches the car looking a bit rubbish anyway! Next shot is on the first test run, feelings of excitement and anxiety ran pretty strong here. Went for full bonnet off Roadkill style: Oil pressure good, sounded great, quietly pleased with how this was turning out. Big test of drive it day tour now just days away. Right I'll stop for now. This has been quite a cathartic process so far this evening, remembering the highs and the lows that this project has delivered so far. If you want to skip to the end, and see another project of mine, have a look here: www.instagram.com/MRFLYNNS.MACHINES/Until next time.
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Last Edit: May 2, 2019 21:25:22 GMT by Flynn
1971 MGB GT 1983 Daimler Sovereign 4.2 1999 Jaguar XJR
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jpsmit
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Great story- if maddening- keep the adventures coming!
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This is a great read. Looking forward to more chapters.
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rickygolf83
Scotland
Mk2 Golf 8v & 16v, VR6, Nova Antibes, Mk4 1.8t & mk4 Gt Tdi 130
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Brilliant read, waiting in suspense for the next installment!
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same here...great read....glad to hear we are not alone in trials and tribs......
wish I had the confidence to tear into an engine....
nice work!
JP
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I know its spelled Norman Luxury Yacht, but its pronounced Throat Wobbler Mangrove!
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Marc
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Love old Jags and love this thread. Very well written as well!
Look forward to more!
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Great thread. Just followed you on Instagram.
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1994 BMW 525i touring 2004 BMW Z4 sorn and broken 1977 Ford Escort 1982 Ford Capri getting restored 1999 Mazda B2500 daily driver.
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Davey
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Well and truly bookmarked, what a great read and an awesome car.
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K11 Micra x3 - Mk3 astra - Seat Marbella - Mk6 Escort estate - B5 Passat - Alfa 156 estate - E36 compact Mk2 MR2 T-bar - E46 328i - Skoda Superb - Fiat seicento - 6n2 Polo - 6n polo 1.6 - Mk1 GS300 EU8 civic type S - MG ZT cdti - R56 MINI Cooper S - Audi A3 8p - Jaguar XF (X250) - FN2 Civic Type R - Mk2 2.0i Ford Focus
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adam73bgt
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Bookmarked this as well, looks like its been quite a rollercoaster so far! Also interested to see that you've used a couple of engine machine shops near Coventry, I'll be getting some engine work done this year I think so always interesting to hear who does good work locally
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Flynn
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May 23, 2019 21:18:43 GMT
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Good evening all, glad to hear you've enjoyed my ramblings so far. adam73bgt - I am happy to recommend the places I mentioned, particularly Cov boring and metalling, they turned my block around in just a day or so and were competitively priced. So, engine is rebuilt, back in the car, it runs and I have done my initial running in procedure of thrashing it around some local hilly roads but I was keen to put some more miles on prior to the drive it day tour which was now just days away. An opportunity to take the car out to visit my mum (40 mile round trip, nice quiet roads) presented itself and so I jumped at it, not only would I get a few more miles in, I would also have my first ever drive in this car at night time, I would finally find out if those headlights I bought 3 years ago were worth it! The car drives over fine, I have a nice cup of tea and a sit down at my mum's and then it is time to go again. I set off for home and can't help but notice something of a flicker from the headlights - couldn't be totally sure though as I was on a brightly street lit section of road at the time. As I pulled off from the main road on to the rural roads near home the headlights had more than a flicker and simply shut off, leaving me on a pitch dark lane with only the sidelights operating. "Now that's interesting" I thought as I went over a bump in the road and suddenly had headlights again. When I got home I found a dry joint on the headlight dim/dip relay, a simple removal, clean and replace sorted that. The headlights are actually first class, better than my modern daily runaround. The morning of drive it day arrives and I am quietly confident of the Jaguar's ability to complete the journey today, based on the fact that at this point I've either repaired or replaced most of the mechanical components on the car so there wasn't really anything left to go wrong! The tour I had booked on to was organised by Hagerty Insurance and this year the route was going to start at Tuthill Porsche near Banbury, which is about 50 miles from home for me and interesting personally because many years ago, I did a couple of days work here and there when a friend worked there full time, so I was interested to see what the place looked like these days. I set off nice and early and in stark contrast to drive it day one year previous, had an incident free and enjoyable drive there! I even made the Hagerty Insurance Facebook page, I suppose from a reasonable distance away, this car does look quite presentable! When I arrived, I was pleased to see Tuthill Porsche has gone from strength to strength and are now sporting a brand new, very impressive workshop and office facility on the site of what was once a large derelict green house. I signed in, had a good nose round the workshop and then waited for my friends to arrive in their cars before we set off on a 70 mile jaunt on the back roads to eventually end up at the Sunday Scramble event at Bicester Heritage. The Jag behaved all day and finally it felt like some of my work had paid off, the car - although aesthetically awful - is just what I want from a classic car these days, in that it is practical, comfortable, not slow and driving it makes me smile. The picture above was taken in full smug mode, having completed around 200 miles that day. I have glossed over an awful lot of work that I have done to this car because it would take me too much time to write about it and most of it was rather dull. I think a better way to visualise what I have gone through with this car is to cast your eye over the itemised list of costs that I have incurred with this car since purchasing it 3 years ago. I won't include the prices (way too painful and if my wife ever found this thread it wouldn't be a fun conversation!). Enjoy: Purchase Delivery Brake caliper Front Brake caliper Front Hose kit Wiper blades Track rod ends Steering rack gaiter kit Shock absorber bush Roll bar bush front Roll bar link kit Ball joint kit Wishbone kit Steering rack mount kit Upper wishbone bushes Shock absorber bush Bolt Nyloc nut Caliper bolt Bolt Balljoint bolt Various stainless fixings Brake pipe Bolt Bolt Bolt 2 Monroe front shocks Front brake discs Anti rattle springs Upper bump stops Lower bump stops Front hub dust cap Brake hoses Header tank cap Brake hose Brake discs rear Radius arm bush small Radius arm bush large Oil seal - diff pinion Handbrake lock tab Handbrake return spring Radius arm bush small Bearing inner pivot Fulcrum pin Ignition lead set Distributor Cap Air filter Mount centre bush Brake hose nut Clip pipe LHR brake caliper RHR brake caliper Nyloc nut Fuel tank RH Fuel tank LH Fuel tank sender washer Fuel tank sender lock ring Seal Fuel sump filter Fuel filler neck seal Sealing washer Fuel sender unit RH Fuel sender unit LH Propshaft mounts Mounting grommets Nyloc nuts Headlamp dim/dip relay Heater valve with bracket Temperature sender Heater hose Heater hose Heater hose Gearbox mounting Bleed hose Breather gasket Cap assy header tank Gasket O Ring First stab at an MOT test LH outer sill panel Wheel nut Small chrome hub cap MOT - PASS!!!!!!!! Bolt - viscous coupling Plain washer Slotted spring pin Tappet guide hold down kit Radiator from a series 1 3 new tyres Cylinder head overhaul Stainless exhaust + fitting kit Chrome dome nut kit Exhaust Man. Stud and nut kit Carb service kit Headlamp upgrade Rear hubs rebuilt XJS master cylinder New viscous coupling New vacuum advance pipe eBay second hand engine + fuel in works van Overbore and hone block +.020" Full engine gasket set 2 x new engine mounts Second hand (and wrong type) flexplate Lock tab Lower timing chain (waaay too small) Timing chain tensioner Big end bearings +.030" Piston rings +.020" Circlips (gudgeon pins) Crank pulley bolt lock washer Oversize thrust washer Main bearing +.010" Oil pump assembly Oil filter Throttle return springs (wrong but using them for now anyway) Micro adjuster plate Lower timing chain (the right one this time) New cylinder head studs 10L 20W50 engine oil Millers Pistoneeze 20W50 - 10L Engine oil filter And that brings us right up to today, I have just this week bought a replacement starter motor - the solenoid on the old one was knackered, I could find a new solenoid for £170 or a whole new starter for £100 - that is the world we live in now I suppose, not complaining! I am now at a point of having to make a decision with this car. I have put a lot of money and time in to it and I now have a usable, fun old car to knock about in but the next job would have to be smartening up the body work which would be even more money and it simply isn't worth doing and for me at least, doing so would lose some it its charm. I might keep it on for another year and do a few more long trips in it, I have family based in Germany so that could be a good road trip! Soon time to move this on though I think, so many more cars I want to have a go on and life is short!
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1971 MGB GT 1983 Daimler Sovereign 4.2 1999 Jaguar XJR
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rickygolf83
Scotland
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Good job man, you've done the old girl proud !
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Jul 30, 2019 19:40:09 GMT
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fabulous write up and what a lovely old thing your Jag is.
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Currently driving a 1972 BMW 1602 as my daily. Don't ask about previous cars - there have been way too many and I stopped counting at 160!
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