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I have just bought a 1963 MG Midget (100% standard for now) which is, in theory, tax and MOT exempt. vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk shows it taxed until May (free) with no results returned for the MOT. Taxation class on the V5 is HISTORIC VEHICLE. My concern is that I cannot see any way to finding out if the car has been correctly registered as MOT exempt (V112 applied etc) or if I am just driving something with an MOT that expired back in October 2018 as shown on www.check-mot.service.gov.ukReg is 704 YMB for reference. Thanks in advance, James
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ChasR
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Call up the DVLA would be my first port of call. They may be able to tell you there and then. Otherwise, you have two choices the way I see it. 1) Reapply for a V112 Exemption form. 2) MOT the car .
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There is no need to fill in a V112 exemption form. Both of my Vauxhalls are MOT exempt and I haven't filled in the form for either of them.
It is a bit strange that there isn't a way of checking for sure, and that the various enquiry pages just say "may be exempt". Perhaps their systems will catch up at some point.
If you've just bought it, though, surely you'll need to tax it as the tax doesn't transfer with the vehicle? Part of that taxation will check whether it needs an MOT, and if it does not, you'll be able to tax it.
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scimjim
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Apr 11, 2019 11:08:05 GMT
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When you tax it will ask you to declare as VHI ( or not) . The answer to that will decide whether an MOT is required. If you tax a car which has a valid MOT still , even if exempt, it WON'T ask if you are VHI
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Apr 11, 2019 19:49:35 GMT
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Thanks guys, I did renew the tax and checked the VHI option but was confused when the MOT status was contradictory.
Cheers
James
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Apr 12, 2019 17:00:27 GMT
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Thanks guys, I did renew the tax and checked the VHI option but was confused when the MOT status was contradictory. Cheers James Doovla need to remedy this! Too many chancers on eBay stating car MOT exempt when selling absolute basket cases. Don't even start me on caged up modded stuff stating MOT exempt. All grossly inflated prices coz morons think you can insure and drive away!
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"To Big block or not to Big block?" Thats the question!
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ChasR
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Thanks guys, I did renew the tax and checked the VHI option but was confused when the MOT status was contradictory. Cheers James Doovla need to remedy this! Too many chancers on eBay stating car MOT exempt when selling absolute basket cases. Don't even start me on caged up modded stuff stating MOT exempt. All grossly inflated prices coz morons think you can insure and drive away! It's also seen as an excuse for owners to neglect cars. I know of some guys that have been in the scene for a while, where there cars wouldn't pass an MOT for fairly obvious reasons (curse word brakes, hoses tied onto moving parts etc.).
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elfman
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I have a similar problem, I bought my 1965 classic car (all standard) at the end of September last year complete with an MOT. The MOT runs out the end of this month and they say you can only declare the car MOT void when you Re-Tax the car using a v122 form. But the Tax is not due now until September.. So what do I do for the 2 months in-between? If I re-MOT it will be in the same position next year and I would like the benefit of not having an MOT. As the car does very low millage I will have it checked out by an MOT garage but probably every 18 months or 2 years depending on the miles completed. I will try and contact the DVLA but that's not always an easy process.
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I have just bought a 1963 MG Midget (100% standard for now) which is, in theory, tax and MOT exempt. vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk shows it taxed until May (free) with no results returned for the MOT. Taxation class on the V5 is HISTORIC VEHICLE. James If you have just bought it then from the tax enquiry I just did, the car will now not be taxed, unless you taxed it in May. Tax expires when the car changes hands so if you haven't done so you need to get it taxed or sorned
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elfman
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Jul 11, 2019 10:20:25 GMT
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I don't know if its because I'm Welsh but i always seem to get good services and help from the DVLA in Swansea.
I spoke to a very helpful guy who said just carry on driving even though my MOT runs out soon as the plus 40 historic Registered cars have a blanket no MOT needed.
Police are aware of this so should be ok but if any doubt carry a copy of your V5 form in the car and show them its Historic Registered if its still a problem then get in touch with the DVLA. What he did say was take the V112 form with you the next time you tax the car.
I hope this helps.
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Jul 11, 2019 13:02:56 GMT
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MOT Exemption becomes immediate on cars older than 40 years old from April 1st each year. You do not need to apply for this. You still require the car to be road worthy condition.
Tax Exemption becomes valid to apply for on cars older than 40 years from April 1st each year. You need to apply and send the V5 back to get historic car written on v5 Post office will still issue you a receipt for 0.00 for taxing a car for 12 months. You still need to apply for Tax, even tho its free. If you don't you will fined as per all other vehicles.
Jake
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elfman
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Jul 11, 2019 13:13:19 GMT
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MOT Exemption becomes immediate on cars older than 40 years old from April 1st each year. You do not need to apply for this. You still require the car to be road worthy condition. Tax Exemption becomes valid to apply for on cars older than 40 years from April 1st each year. You need to apply and send the V5 back to get historic car written on v5 Post office will still issue you a receipt for 0.00 for taxing a car for 12 months. You still need to apply for Tax, even tho its free. If you don't you will fined as per all other vehicles. Jake Yes that's true especially the part about taxing it,,,,its mad but true you can get fined for not taxing a car that's free. !! I'm still going to take a V112 form when I re-tax mine just to make sure...
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Jul 11, 2019 13:26:59 GMT
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Just for information, the tax ran out last week on my 1974 car that's considered as rebuilt from parts and the MOT ran out mid June. When I went to re-tax it without an MOT it asked if it required a V112 declaration so rather than "poke the bear" so to speak I sorned it and have waited until I got it MOTd today. I did it all online 5 minutes after it had passed and the question of v112 declaration wasn't there, it went straight on to tax it.
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Jul 11, 2019 13:37:01 GMT
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MOT Exemption becomes immediate on cars older than 40 years old from April 1st each year. You do not need to apply for this. You still require the car to be road worthy condition. Tax Exemption becomes valid to apply for on cars older than 40 years from April 1st each year. You need to apply and send the V5 back to get historic car written on v5 Post office will still issue you a receipt for 0.00 for taxing a car for 12 months. You still need to apply for Tax, even tho its free. If you don't you will fined as per all other vehicles. Jake Yes that's true especially the part about taxing it,,,,its mad but true you can get fined for not taxing a car that's free. !! I'm still going to take a V112 form when I re-tax mine just to make sure... Hi, Actually 'tax exemption' is a misnomer. It does need to be taxed, and meet the requirements ie. insurance, it's just that it's 'zero rated'. Pedant mode: off. Colin
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Jul 17, 2019 18:43:09 GMT
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Despite all of us knowing about MOT exemption it still didn't stop afriend getting pulled in a 50s Yank and I had to go to Police station with proof of it all as they wanted to prosecute him!! ...and he filled in a V112 around 6 years back.
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scimjim
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Jul 17, 2019 20:59:44 GMT
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MOT Exemption becomes immediate on cars older than 40 years old from April 1st each year. You do not need to apply for this. You still require the car to be road worthy condition. Tax Exemption becomes valid to apply for on cars older than 40 years from April 1st each year. You need to apply and send the V5 back to get historic car written on v5 Post office will still issue you a receipt for 0.00 for taxing a car for 12 months. You still need to apply for Tax, even tho its free. If you don't you will fined as per all other vehicles. Jake MOT exemption isn’t April 1st, it’s 40 years from date of manufacture or first registration.
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Jul 18, 2019 18:51:05 GMT
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Doovla need to remedy this! Too many chancers on eBay stating car MOT exempt when selling absolute basket cases. Don't even start me on caged up modded stuff stating MOT exempt. All grossly inflated prices coz morons think you can insure and drive away! It's also seen as an excuse for owners to neglect cars. I know of some guys that have been in the scene for a while, where there cars wouldn't pass an MOT for fairly obvious reasons (curse word brakes, hoses tied onto moving parts etc.). A friend was very happy about the mot changes because "now I don't have to sort the structural rust because it's mot exempt". Always makes me laugh when I see people trying to defend these changes by claiming that classic car owners take better care of their cars than normal car owners.
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Last Edit: Jul 18, 2019 18:52:34 GMT by roccoguy
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I have just been through the historic vehicle change with mine, my MG was last mot'd in 2013 before I bought it. I went to 2 local (village) post offices to say I wanted to make it mot & tax exempt with the V112 in hand and they did not know what to do. So I went to a main post office an the guy did it without issue -
In short you are after changing the vehicle classification to Historic Vehicle, the V112 is witnessed by the post office person for this process as he does the computer bit, he hands it back to you once complete along with the V5C/2, V5C/3 & V5C/4 part of the V5 (log book)as the main bit is sent off to DVLA to change the classification.
The change in classification then means the vehicle is MOT exempt, the V112 signed bit is a pointless as you do not need any photographic evidence or inspection to say the vehicle complies but you are signing to say the same.
If you are driving around in a car that is over 40 years old but has not had the classification changed to historic vehicle you are driving a car without an MOT.
The other bit that was handed back to me was a receipt for £0.00, my vehicle is now taxed for 12 months & MOT exempt, I am awaiting the V5C in the post.
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