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Have pulled the secondary pulley back off TPA ready for proper cleaning before being met with a slight impass because I'm stupid. It's clear from the deposition of belt material on the service hatch that it's the secondary pulley that is responsible for shredding it exactly as I expected. What I had failed to take into account is that the bolt screws into a shaft which passes most of the way through the pulley...not straight into something level with the back. So I need to get some threaded rod to make what will essentially be a really long bolt to attach the pulley to my drill which will be essentially taking the place of a lathe. Will get that done tomorrow and hopefully get everything back together for another test. Felt like a right idiot when I realised the bolt was a good couple of inches too short to just bolt it onto the drill!
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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a low ebb for the red astra driver, getting tooted for dawdling by an invalid carriage
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Last Edit: May 9, 2019 21:02:54 GMT by darrenh
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I had a spare hour (ish) this afternoon so made another pass at the "clean the secondary pulley game" on the Invacar. A metre of threaded rod was all of £1.85 from Toolstation. That, a couple of bolts and a few washers allowed me to create this potentially lethal contraption out of my poor innocent workbench and even more horribly abused (yet apparently indestructible) power drill. It's actually infinitely less terrifying than it looks courtesy of the pulley (as you would expect) being really insanely well balanced. It wobbles a bit at around 500rpm, but then smooths out totally up to the free running speed of the drill. What is scary is that *stopping* from that speed takes the best part of a minute thanks to the rotational inertia involved... I only did that once though, more out of curiousity as to how well balanced stuff was, while being ready to leg it at a moment's notice. For reference this is the pulley surface we started with following my first pass at cleaning it with the polycarbide mop on the grinder last week. An hour or so of working at it with a combination of a chisel (ooooh...sparks!) and several grades of Emery cloth resulted in the surface looking like this. While there's still a lot of visible tarnish there the pulleys surface is now smooth to the touch across the full running surface. Whether this will help things or not I will hopefully find out tomorrow. It's hard to express quite how much smoother that pulley face feels than it looks in the photo. Realistically, this is as good as the pulley surface is going to get without being able to throw it onto an actual lathe with a suitable cutter to reface the running surfaces properly. It just ain't going to get any better in my hands...so if it still eats belts I'll probably need to get a machine shop involved. The last thing I did before packing up this evening was throw (not literally of course) a load of filler at the bodywork. The area behind the nearside wheelarch should benefit a lot from this (remember, there was a huge crack there). I'll hit it with the sander and some paint tomorrow (or another coat of filler if needed - I'm going for presentable from twenty paces here) to tidy things up a bit. Obviously will be a fair amount more needed, but it's the first time I've used this exact stuff so I wanted to start simple. Plus to be brutally honest I'm more interested in driving this car right now than making it pretty...
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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If you machined the pulley face, would you not in theory be changing the 'gearing/ratio' of the setup? Could you get a taller or shorter gear this way? You know, for quicker off the mark purposes.
Assuming there was enough meat on the pulley to adjust enough to make a difference.
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May 10, 2019 10:05:32 GMT
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In theory you could probably alter things fractionally this way...though being realistic it's just a bit of pressed steel so there's not really enough to take that sort of amount off. Tweaking the belt tension, width or the spring weights in the governor are far easier ways to mess with the gearing profile of the CVT.
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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May 10, 2019 10:14:15 GMT
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Also the drive governor is also the engine governor so it does not over rev the engine so be where you don't want to blow the engine.
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May 10, 2019 22:49:48 GMT
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Having had a think about it further this morning I went to confirm the identification of my brake master cylinder so I could get either a service kit or new cylinder ordered. Nice to see that the fluid level hasn't moved in the slightest since I've started driving it, I know there's no reason it should have, but it's still nice to see the fluid staying where it should be. Yep, there's the number which I couldn't remember or find written down anywhere. Doing a bit of digging around on the internet to see what I could find. When did the search function on everything become so utterly useless? Why when I type in "Girling 625 master cylinder service kit" are the first five items for Lockheed cylinders or totally different complete cylinders before anything starts to turn up that's useful? Anyhow...eventually managed to track down some rebuild kits. They're a good bit more expensive than I'd expected...not far off the same price that genuine Girling cylinders seem to go for (£60 or thereabouts). Though there are a plethora of off brand ones for £20-30 out there. Though quite what sort of quality to expect at that point I'm not sure. I did however decide to grab one. Basically because A: I've had gift money sitting in my Amazon account for about two years now so it's essentially free. B: Because it will at least let me prove the rest of the system behaves or not. If it does behave perfectly then I at least know that the MC is the issue...if I can't then make one good cylinder out of the two or am actually satisfied with the one from Amazon that turns up, I'll get a proper new Girling one ordered up. As the one I've ordered is essentially free it seemed worth a shot though. Bodywork wise I've given things over the back a sand down (man I'd forgotten how much dust that creates!) and blew a quick bit of paint over it. Definitely heading in the right direction... here's the same panel when the car arrived on my driveway. Will want another coat or three of filler, but we're definitely making progress. I'll make sure I actually have enough on hand next time! She's never going to be a concourse show winner, but hoping that a finish that's presentable from ten or twenty paces should be doable. What I was really interested in seeing though was whether my messing about with the CVT secondary pulley yesterday had actually done anything useful. The answer is a definite yes. While I've only been able to do testing up to 30mph today courtesy of rush hour, things have obviously improved. The pickup from a standing start is smoother and changes to throttle setting are far more quickly responded to now. It's also way quieter. Have a *really* shaky video showing how things are behaving now. I'll hopefully make a run out onto a faster road tomorrow to see how it behaves. While I was on Amazon earlier this afternoon a better phone mount was also ordered...so hopefully any future footage recorded on that will be something resembling stable. I can only apologise for how awful the footage here is. Feels like we're getting quite close to a car which is actually usable now.
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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May 11, 2019 11:49:25 GMT
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I think due to various acquisitions TRW is now the custodian of girling, via the lucas brand
I woukd also rate Delphi Lockheed highly
Glad the drive train is working much sweeter
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May 11, 2019 19:22:40 GMT
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Brilliant work, the CVT can be an to iron out. The bodywork is looking better too, being a painter it's a job that's unforgiving.
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1980 Vauxhall Cavalier MK1 1970 Mobyleete 40T custom 1978 Mobylette 50V 1965 Moulton Standard 1979 Raleigh Grifter custom 1980 Raleigh Grifter 1982 Raleigh Grifter BMX custom 1982 Raleigh Bomber 1987 Strida
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May 11, 2019 22:59:43 GMT
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Did a bit of experimentation with my existing camera mount to see if it could be improved while I wait for a better one to turn up...nope. Still shaky as ever...so the video from today is equally as unwatchable as the one from yesterday. If anyone actually wants to see it anyway let me know and I can chuck it at YouTube. Another 16 miles covered. Was actually tempted to keep going but ran out of time. The run out today was uneventful. Even if I did utterly confuse the poor folks at the fuel station. Speaking of fuel - average fuel consumption on the first tank (well, about half a tank) was 28.1mpg. Given the fact that during that tank we've had sickly carb, plethora of neglect issues in the CVT and have only left the block on a couple of occasions that's a reasonable starting point. Hoping we can expect to see mid to high 30s. The CVT is very obviously far, far happier. 50mph cruising is almost comfortable, and the judder when moving off from standing still is very much reduced. Had 60mph on the speedo on a couple of occasions. The other thing which is conspicuously absent now is the smell of burning rubber which had previously accompanied any attempts to venture beyond 40mph or so. Obviously I'll need to get a few more miles on the clock to see if we've got things back into a stable and reliable state. One thing which was made abundantly clear this afternoon was that not having a sun visor is *really* annoying. I've had the trim panel to which it is attached sitting around waiting to be reinstalled for a couple of months now, but finally got around to putting it back in this evening. I had hoped to get the control box for the heater and choke out to paint it...however it was utterly unimpressed with that idea, so just gave it a coat of paint the old fashioned way with a brush in situ. Not perfect by any means but is at least a bit less scruffy. While on the subject of tidying the interior I figured it was time to throw a bit of paint on the handlebars and some rusty bits of the seat frame. This has definitely helped make things look a bit less derelict. Slightly out of order as this was earlier in the day, but I've also given the offside wheelarch a quick skim over with the paint. It had weathered away here to nothing so even though it's not a perfect colour match or all that smooth, it's still an improvement. Have picked up a load of filler today too, so will hopefully get a few of the scruffy bits of body sorted this week. At least most of it is small patches rather than outright rebuilding like the rear valance... While I was playing automotive Tetris to put the Invacar away I snapped this photo. This is a good one for the "what year was this photo taken?" category I think.
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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May 12, 2019 17:27:52 GMT
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body work looks great!...a vast improvement. each time you add more filler, it smoothes out more. well done.
JP
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I know its spelled Norman Luxury Yacht, but its pronounced Throat Wobbler Mangrove!
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Rest of the fleet had some attention today, so only had a half hour for the Invacar, nevertheless it has been seeing a bit more cosmetic work continue. Bit more filler has been thrown into the equation to help smooth things down before I throw some more paint at it. Small (but to my mind disproportionately annoying) chunk missing from the offside door. Top of the nearside front wing where it's had a knock at some point. I'd already applied matting and resin from behind the panel. Worst panel on the car though was the front service cover, so we'll see how that looks after some sanding action. Will just be a quick sand and splash tomorrow morning which will make things look a little bit more presentable.
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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May 13, 2019 22:07:49 GMT
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Had a bit of a special day today as the owner of TWC was due to pay me a visit. His rescue from a field and restoration of TWC was responsible for me discovering what an Invacar was. I'd never heard of them until then. Shortly after wound up with one which was missing a large portion of the bodywork but was generally sound mechanically...then once TWC was back on the road, I bought TPA, the original spares car for the restoration of TWC. She was missing her entire drivetrain by this point...but I had essentially precisely what I needed to make one working car out of the two by fitting the drivetrain from my original car. We did get a couple of photos of them together back last summer, but TPA was still a fair ways from roadworthy back then. This was going to be the first time they'd been in one spot while both were roadworthy, so obviously we wanted to get a few photos of them together, have a little drive out in convoy etc. In preparation for that I wanted to finish off the cosmetic work I'd been doing yesterday. Quick splash of paint first. Still going to need a little more filler, but a LOT better than it was. While I had the paint out I gave the fan shroud a quick splash as well. The original paint was flaking off and it was bugging me. Then gave the interior a quick clean as it was covered in filler dust and rust powder which the heater is still shedding despite my best efforts to clean it out. Really need to get a wet and dry vacuum on the driver's seat as it is quite grubby (sitting in the back of the garage for two years will do that, not to mention the 200K miles in the donor vehicle). Soon after I was done with that my guest arrived and we went out for our little drive, stopping at a local from park which has some nice greenery in the background so is a good place to take car photos. That was quite a fun afternoon. Yes, we did get some properly confused looks when we were out driving in convoy.
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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Has that got a different badge on the front? Also, one of those still needs a rotating light and siren setup. You could paint the other one black and then have pretend comical car chases through shopping centres.
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vanpeebles
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I am eastbound in pursuit of a white Lamborghini, this is not a recording.
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Wonderful seeing two together. I love this thread
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May 14, 2019 10:13:47 GMT
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Has that got a different badge on the front? one AC, one invacar ltd
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May 14, 2019 18:57:09 GMT
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They actually look happy to see each other in the last pic
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May 15, 2019 23:33:56 GMT
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I had it in my head that there was a local classic car get together here this afternoon...however when I got there it became apparent that I'm utterly useless and had the wrong day - that's actually tomorrow. So I suddenly found myself with a couple of hours to kill. Figured it was time to throw some more filler at TPA. Still a bunch more sanding to do, but we're getting somewhere. Nearside quarter looking almost smooth. The huge gouges on the nose have been smoothed out. I felt this was quite important given how prominent the area is. Bonnet hinge area is almost resembling flat again and I've built up the corner of the bonnet which I'd clearly missed on the first pass. Finally got the hole in the roof filled. Meant the duct tape there can finally go. This corner is actually starting to look passable. This is as far as I got with the sander. Even with the dust extraction set up the process still makes a godawful mess! The biggest pits around the rear of the car have been filled, though some further work will definitely be needed there - running out of filler meant I couldn't go much further today! The chunk taken out of this wheel arch has also been patched up. Will spend a bit more time with the sander then throw some paint at it. May have a shot at remodelling my original work on the offside front corner first though as the state of that makes my skin crawl... At least matching the original level of finish on an Invacar isn't too strenuous compared to most vehicles, though even that's horribly time consuming!
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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Great photo. Love the progress, a little every day. Well done.
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This morning I made an absolutely awful mess in the garage by attacking TP with the sander and some paint. I swear I will be finding filler dust for years...the stuff gets everywhere. Does look like we're moving in the right direction to me. The rear could do with a lot more sanding, though I was running out of both time and patience by the time I got there, so it will be revisited of course. The reason I really wanted to get a basic skim of paint over there this afternoon was that there was a local show this afternoon which I wanted to get TP over to for her public debut at an event other than just driving around. Especially given I arrived yesterday to find I'd got the date wrong. Did we make it? Of course we did! Here's a few snaps of some of the other motors that were there. I didn't snap anything like every car as I had made a critical wind chill calculation error and was freezing, so the order of the day was brief runs out to snap photos and talk to people between periods hiding in the car waiting for the feeling to return to my fingers. Plethora of Astons. Not really surprising given the proximity of their factory and that one of the organisers is apparently in the owners club. Don't recall seeing an MGB in this colour before, I like it. Normally a BMW wouldn't get a second glance from me (635 excepted), but seeing an i8 up close always feels special. They're still a gorgeous looking car I think. Oddest coloured car of the day award goes to this Ford Prefect. Lovely Jowett Javelin. These just look "right" to me, and I only discovered recently that they're really quite interesting mechanically speaking too. Hard not to like a Scimitar. I just love the degree of colour in this photo given we live in a world of silver, grey, white and slightly off white cars these days. While Astons are usually a bit rich for my blood, this thing is lovely. They really need to bring back tail fins... There were actually a few Austin 7s there, though this one is a really early example if I'm not mistaken. I still need to drive an actual Mini at some point! It would have been downright rude to not take a bunch of photos of this. There's no angle it doesn't look fantastic from. As usual I never actually took any close-ups of my own car. Definitely need to make up an information sign to put with the car, as the number of questions I wound up answering was very surprising...and most people didn't even know that they had been rendered illegal and had mostly been scrapped. Importantly TP ran perfectly both to and from the event, even managing an overtake on the dual carriageway on the way there - cue one very puzzled looking Zafira driver. Afraid I didn't have a camera running at that point to capture that moment...maybe next time (this is why I really need get a proper camera mount so recording video isn't such a pain).
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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