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Sept 27, 2020 22:47:11 GMT
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I have miserable memories of a 2cv - it's only your thread that has got me thinking that perhaps my experience of a week in a 2cv when I was 12 or something might not be definitive and perhaps a re-assessment might be in order. I just remember the shuddering embarrassment as my aunty beryl (yep, I kid you not) literally drove it like miss daisy (she drove s l o w l y in a s l o w car.......) and I can still feel the anger from the drivers behind us....... Anyhoo, moving on. Love the invacar (I was so disparaging about them too when I was young - I'm embarrassed actually to admit that but it's true, I was disparaging about them and now my eyes have been opened to what an innovative car they are/were and the freedom they gave to people), love the camper and really enjoy the xjs too. And now you've just mentioned an AX - fantastic. Have some great memories of these. I only drove the 1 ltre but the knack was to keep the momentum up (a bit like the 2cv I'm guessing). My mum had one for 3 months (she got hit from behind, at a fairly low speed thank goodness) but the car was written off. She got a montego 2ltre estate (which went really, really well) next - really good memories of that and then she traded it in for a renault 19 16v (which went seriously well, although the build quality just wasn't v good). rapid but fragile. She got stopped by the police for speeding 3 times in a week in that; only got 3 points however. Back to the AX - there's alot to be said for lightness - I remember the joy of it (and how cheap to run it was; it used to sip petrol - we didn't have it long enough to service it or anything and it didn't need anything whilst we had it). Always fancied the gt but bought a nova gte instead. The thing about 2CVs is that the power is all so high up in the rev band that if the driver doesn't take that into account - or even worse drives it "like an old lady" - they will feel very sluggish. I wasn't having any issues keeping up with the flow of traffic when I was driving the one above around for a week. 70 is painfully noisy, but she was perfectly happy to do it. Glad you're finding the Invacar interesting. It's a real surprise to a lot of people I think how much there actually is under that very old school body. If you have the opportunity to drive one someday it's definitely worth a shot. -- -- -- Well I think we might have found a large reason for the floppy floor. A significant number of the rivets weren't actually secured into anything because they were smaller than the drilled holes, some others were only secured to the floor panel itself, and several others had dissolved. I reckon about 20% of them actually secured the floor panel to the chassis. Oh, and most of those were loose. After a brief period messing around with the rivet gun I lost patience and just grabbed the bag of nuts and bolts. Just this has added about 70% to the rigidity of the panel. A lot of the rivets holding the body overlap to the floor seem to be just as bad, so I'm going to drill out and replace them all with stainless bolts. Just need to pick up some new big washers for the body mounting bolts. While it's a bit tedious this shouldn't take too long. Currently there's no attachment to the floor panel aside from the edges. My intention is to have it bolted to each of the chassis rails/braces. Here's what's under the floor for those who haven't seen underneath an Invacar floor (courtesy of KPL when I pulled the original rotten floor panel was removed). If there are still problems with any areas being floppy I'll probably attach a couple of lengths of ally bar diagonally underneath just to stop the panel from being able to flex so much. We're keeping things pretty simple though. Not wasting months on this. The seat needs to come out next though as it's just going to make everything far easier. This isn't going to be a "take the whole car apart for six months" job though. I've been enjoying using the car too much for that, but I decided that I needed to sort the flooring situation after I did actually fall over getting out last week and very nearly took my eye out on one of the hooks on the garage wall because the flooring was so slippery. Even when it wasn't trying to kill me the flooring was really scruffy though and was bugging me. While I'm not too precious about the outside I do like my car interior to be tidy, and having this sorted out will definitely help my enjoyment of the car. Very curious to see if it helps take down the noise level at speed at all. The original kick plates are quite rough so I'm probably going to replace those, I've got some nice aluminium extruded pieces (they're actually stair tread plates) which will do the job nicely and as the return is a little less deep will make cleaning/greasing of the door runners less fiddly. Think I bought those back when I first got KPL for this very purpose as they were completely missing on that car. I'm probably not going to get much time to work on the cars this week. Sadly a friend passed away from cancer at the end of last week so we're pretty busy both looking after their other half and generally helping out with the resulting admin and trying to get their house back in order. They've not really been able to put any effort into housework for the last six months so it's in a bit of a state. Obviously looking after them is priority one though, sorting the house comes later. Not a huge amount we can do until Tuesday when all the hospital gear is picked up anyway, so we might get a bit of time tomorrow...we'll just have to see.
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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Sept 28, 2020 17:05:25 GMT
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Sorry to hear about your friend. That's curse word. Sometimes you do what you have to do and the cars come second.
Great thread by the way. Keep it up! (When you have time.) I remember looking at those little cars with disdain when I was a snotty kid but I've grown up (marginally) now and they are quite fascinating. I'm still not sure if they were a brilliant way to get the disabled mobile or if the government was trying to kill them off in traffic accidents. Either way, I'm glad you've rescued this one.
James
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Sept 28, 2020 22:42:44 GMT
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Sorry to hear about your friend. That's curse word. Sometimes you do what you have to do and the cars come second. Great thread by the way. Keep it up! (When you have time.) I remember looking at those little cars with disdain when I was a snotty kid but I've grown up (marginally) now and they are quite fascinating. I'm still not sure if they were a brilliant way to get the disabled mobile or if the government was trying to kill them off in traffic accidents. Either way, I'm glad you've rescued this one. James Thanks James. I owing folks find some of my random rambling interesting makes it worthwhile. Though I enjoy writing this drivel and find it quite therapeutic...so would write it even if I never got a response. One day I do plan to grab this and translate it into a blog on my website as well. -- -- -- Here's one of our periodic wanders off into the world of obsolete technology which happen now and then around me...these won't happen massively regularly and will be limited to this thread...the Xantia and van's threads will remain purely vehicle based. Given this is where my visiting vehicles will appear figure I'll throw these in here too. While I know it's a bit off topic, it's a topic that a few folks also find interesting...and let's face it I ramble off on complete tangents often enough anyway! -- -- -- Oh...Hello there... We've got yet another system to join the vintage Toshiba portable computer family. Well...sort of. I used to have one of these back around 2000 which I used for a lot of my school work. It sadly failed at one point due to capacitor issues on the power supply board (which these machines almost all suffer from at some point, likewise on the display backlight inverter board). It was stripped down with a view to being repaired however due to a communications breakdown (read: my father ignoring everything he was told) when we were clearing out the loft several key parts ended up getting binned. These machines seem to change hands for alarmingly large sums of money in good order these days, so when this one popped up for £50 I grabbed it. Especially as it has the optional hard disk, most T1200s had dual (720K) floppy drives. This is important as apparently the non HD equipped machines lack several other bits, so you can't just slot the drive in. I'm hoping that once I make one good one out of the two (my original has a largely un-yellowed and almost unmarked case for a start) that I'll be able to recover some documents off my old one's drive. The 20Mb drive uses a proprietary JVC/Ricoh interface so there's no real way to get data to/from it without one of these laptops (or a handful of other, even rarer machines). Not the last time Toshiba played this card...the original T3200 uses a 40Mb drive with a similarly oddball proprietary interface, made by Fujitsu in that case. I will definitely be swapping the keyboard for mine...that is just nasty... Though a trip through the dishwasher for the keycaps would probably make the world of difference. Unsurprisingly this one doesn't work...just showing an amber light on the power supply. So at the very least that will need to be recapped. Hopefully that will be enough to get it going...time will tell. Be a nice little productivity machine if I can get it working reliably. It's based around an 80C86 processor (a low power CMOS based version of the 8086), has 640+384K of memory to work with and importantly over the other machines of this era I have, backs these specs up with a hard disk and a screen with a decent backlight. The lack of that is by far the biggest blot on the Amstrad PPC512's copybook. My original one was still running the original battery which was ancient even when I was using it, yet that with a bit if careful power management (you can manually power down the hard drive and drop the clock speed (down from 9.5 to 4.5MHz if I remember right) it used to get me through a full secondary school day and the 45 minute bus ride to/from the place without breaking a sweat. ... I've never had a modern laptop which could do that! Never mind one from the mid 80s. What do you bet that a clean, working example now turns up locally at a reasonable price?
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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Sept 30, 2020 21:28:35 GMT
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I appear to have managed to fail to take a photo of my progress today...but not a huge issue given there's not much to see!
All of the rivets to the left of the seat in the floor of TPA have now been drilled out and replaced with stainless bolts. The vast majority just disintegrated the moment I touched them with the drill so clearly weren't doing much useful.
The difference in rigidity of the floor panel with only that done is huge...you can still make it move, but it has resistance and doesn't just flop around. Thumping it with a first now makes a solid sounding thud rather than a hollow rattle.
I definitely want to make a point of changing all of the fasteners involved here as they're all clearly shot. So the seat needs to come out next as there are half a dozen buried underneath it that I can't get to any other way.
Goes without saying that I'll be looking closely at a few of the other body mountings where rivets have been used in case they're in as bad a shape - though the water being trapped under the floor mats for years probably made the issues here so much worse.
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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Sept 30, 2020 23:09:44 GMT
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I thoroughly enjoy your ramblings and tangents too. 😁 I'm glad you enjoy writing them, it means there's usually a new one to catch up on😬😎
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With everything going on just now I'm only getting the odd few minutes here and there to do anything relating to the cars. Despite that the structural improvements to the nearside of the Invacar floor have been finished and I've started cutting the carpet to fit. You can start to get a feel for how it's going to look now I think. These are the new kick plates that might be going in. I'm still undecided...whether they get used or not will probably depend on whether I can get the originals back to a vaguely presentable state...currently they're awful. I'm basically making the left carpet, right carpet (which is *mostly* just a mirror image) then will cut an infill to go in the middle. Nothing is being glued in place yet. Before that happens I need to rotate the car 180 degrees so I can do the same knackered rivet replacement on the offside, paint the seat base, find a rubber boot for the gear selector linkage where it passes through the bulkhead and thoroughly degrease the entire floor and front bulkhead. Depending on how things sit I may apply some foam underlay. I think that this will really make a huge difference to the feel of the interior. As the seat can only be moved a few inches to either side I'm also doing away with the sliding capacity. Two bolts will be going through the rear of the frame to secure it in place. As the latch is at the front of the frame the rear of the seat tends to shift an inch or so every time you change direction, and it's quite annoying. If someone wants to undo it in the future it will just require a couple of bolts to be removed. Should make the driving experience a bit more pleasant. The seat wobbling around really doesn't instill confidence, so I'd really like to stop it doing that. I reckon this is probably more of an issue with my seat than it would be with the original as this provides a lot more lateral support than the original one would have.
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Last Edit: Oct 2, 2020 22:22:31 GMT by Zelandeth
Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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This is actually starting to look like I've got any idea what I'm doing... The joins will be far less visible once things are actually glued down. Plus the bar across the middle isn't bolted down at the offside yet hence the bump there.
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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New offside outer "sill" made up from some ally sheet and bolted in place. I tapped the edge at the overlap flat with a hammer, though as this will be under both the carpet and sill kick plate I'm not really too bothered about how it looks. I then went on a similar rivet replacement mission as I did on the nearside before giving everything a thorough wipe down then starting to get the carpet glued in. After an hour or so getting distinctly high on carpet adhesive fumes we were three or four pieces away from the floor being done. Closer look at where it's following the contour of the front bulkhead to show how well it's formed. Yes I fouled up the bit by the steering yoke bracket...an infill will be cut to disguise that oops. Sadly three or four pieces short of being finished I ran out of time! Annoying having to stop so close to being finished, but that's how it goes sometimes. Should get it finished tomorrow and get things put back together tomorrow. Have a few more bits to fit as trim but they're a bit less of a faff than the floor where you're working around the seat base.
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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I think it's fair to call this is looking a bit more welcoming. Here's a "before" photo for reference. It's astonishing how a bit of trim can change the feel of the cabin. The offside kick plate still needs to be secured, but I need direct access to that side of the car for that so it needs the rain to stop for five minutes. There will be a few more bits to go in. To name one I'll be lining the door cavities in matching carpet, and the roof will get some at some point. That may well be a lighter colour and be actual automotive carpet though so it's easier to shape though...and will likely wait a while as removing the roof will make lining it massively less awkward.
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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i'm almost certain i have a piece of video from 1990 of john welch (british rallycross champion) in the pits tweaking his engine management with one of these toshiba.
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i'm almost certain i have a piece of video from 1990 of john welch (british rallycross champion) in the pits tweaking his engine management with one of these toshiba. It dates from 1987 so that would definitely fit time wise. From what I've read they were quite popular for things like that on account of having decent battery life and proper PC connectivity options. -- -- -- Trying to get the offside kick plate refitted today. Having the slightly frustrating situation that any bolts long enough to actually catch and clamp everything together are then long enough that they foul on the door runner when you try to open/close the door. I think I may well just go for attaching the new kick plate on this side (which will go over the top of the original one to retain the exterior section which stops you getting grease all over your trousers getting in/out) which will allow me to re-drill the mounting holes in positions which don't get in the way of the door mechanism. This kick plate is in a royal mess anyway so I'd rather cover it up anyway. The nearside one just needs a good paint really...this one however is a bit mangled and has a lot more corrosion on than the other one. Might be a job for this weekend.
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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the carpets made a big difference to the look of the interior, and no doubt significant effect on quality of life (anti drumming) re: the tosh, made this screen grab, what do you think ?
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Last Edit: Oct 8, 2020 9:46:18 GMT by darrenh
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Hmm...not a Toshiba (well T1200 anyway) as the screen hinge is on the wrong side. My guess based on the colour and case style is Compaq... Though no guesses on model as I don't know their range of the era all that well. Toshiba has always been my main area of expertise in the field really.
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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After attending the funeral of a friend this morning I found myself with a couple of hours free this afternoon so I decided to try to crack on with getting the offside kick plate sorted. After a couple of hours of hitting things with hammers and swearing at it we had the kick plate in place. Once I got the bolts in I was able to pull the kink out at least. They'll both want to be stripped and painted but that's a job for another day. Will be a hammered black finish we'll go with to match some of the other details in the cabin. Then the seal was reattached. These will be changed for tubular section seals at some point as I reckon they will work far better. This was the last part of this project which involved stuff being apart so I was able to remove all the tools and nonsense from in the car and put things back together again. Longest job there was finding the seatbelt which I had helpfully hung over a hook on the garage wall...right in front of my blind face. Took me half an hour to spot it. Idiot. From the previous round of work I noticed that the side "cheek" behind the windscreen washer bottle clearly had lifted while the adhesive was curing before (lack of patience on my part likely to blame as it was the last bit I fitted). So this was peeled back re-glued and was left with a screwdriver wedged behind the washer bottle for half an hour or so to keep it sitting flush. Sorted. While I'm calling this job fundamentally done there are a couple of bits which will want a little further attention. [] Parcel shelf. I'm 1/3 of a time short of having enough left to cover that. This is probably the most important one as it's where about 80% of the mechanical noise in the cabin gets in. I'm probably going to put some actual Dynamat or similar on there as well for that reason. [] Door cavities. To match the visual aspect of the rectangular cutout at the base, and to help cut down drumming from these pretty large flat panels. [] I may also do the windscreen pillars as the black semi gloss paint on there is *really* bad for reflections when the sun is even vaguely low. Plus the metal is quite pitted in a few areas so it would look tidier. [] Sun visor panel. This was originally fabric lined from the factory, I stripped and painted it because the original material was decomposing, but it would feel appropriate to return it to a soft finish. Especially as the roof will be done somewhere down the line. Lining the roof itself is what I'm terming "phase 2" of this project. That's something I will probably tackle next year. I'll use a lighter coloured material for that, and will probably go for actual automotive trim to maximise audio absorption, minimise weight and get something that's easier to work with. I'll also remove the roof from the car to make access far easier. Being able to flip the whole moulding upside down will make the job massively easier I think. I only had time for a quick test run round the block today. Initial impressions though are that the apparent noise levels in the cabin even from the work done so far are vastly reduced. You can actually best wind noise above 40 now which was never the case before, so it's definitely helped! The panel being more firmly fastened down has helped improve the feeling of solidity too as it's not rumbling and vibrating under your feet half as much. Hoping I might be able to get a proper test drive in tomorrow. It has definitely highlighted that I need to make a sealing boot/plug for the cable passthrough in the rear bulkhead where the overhead control box cables to through as you can clearly hear a lot of mechanical noise is coming through there now that a lot of the other avenues have been cut off. The overall job was to improve the interior though and it feels like we've definitely achieved that aim. When I first started the car up it became apparent that the carb was lacking a working idle circuit again, presumably due to a bit of grime finding its way into the (tiny) idle jet. This cleared after a few minutes of running thankfully...but the reason it happened quickly became apparent. If you look closely you can see the metal cap over the end of the filter element in the fuel filter has broken away. I'm really getting hacked off with how hard it's getting to find decent quality consumables these days. Think I'll see about getting some filters from a marine specialist as I did with the fuel lines, being a more safety conscious field hopefully the quality control will be better...
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Last Edit: Oct 9, 2020 0:00:51 GMT by Zelandeth
Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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glenanderson
Club Retro Rides Member
Posts: 4,360
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A huge improvement. 👍👍 It might be worth considering a proper cartridge fuel filter. I used one of these on my night heater, and have them on other stuff too. link
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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TessierAshpool
Club Retro Rides Member
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Club RR Member Number: 168
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Looking smart! For the roof lining and pillars maybe look at four-way stretch fabric that's commonly used for campervan conversions, relatively easy to work with and forms to awkward shapes.
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jamesd1972
Club Retro Rides Member
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I would prefer this type, you can see if fuel is there and it has a replaceable element. Better than plastic ones.
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looks really civilised now !
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Right, have got one of the glass cylindrical types ordered. We'll see how it goes.
There *shouldn't* be a massive amount of gunk in the system anyway...It's a brand new aluminium tank and all the fuel lines are new marine grade...so there shouldn't be anything shedding bits. Should just be anything that actually gets flushed in with the fuel itself.
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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