richrolls
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Jan 19, 2019 22:41:14 GMT
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Edited the title now. A build thread I never thought I'd be doing. Building a new garage for myself and the 'Rolls so we can be to-gever again. Life conspired against us (me and the missus that is, not me and the car)and fast forwarded our move back into town from that there 25 years plus of Yorkshire dales life early. Not a bad thing all in all, nearer to the pubs and so on... Sold the old place and moved into a rental while we were trying to find somewhere more permanent. "NEEDED SPACE FOR A GARAGE,OR A GARAGE" was my main search criteria. My only search criteria. Found a place.We like it alot, but I needed to improve on size of the garage.It was just a bit younger than the 40's house and sized for a 40's 50's era car. There is loads of room around it and with the current permitted development rights, I found via a "Householder planning check" from my local council (A small fee and they say yes or no in writing to your application AND say if you need Building regs) I can put up a garage upto 30m2 without 'regs.This allows me to get a large car in and open the doors. It is just under a normal double in width at 4.6m wide and 6.5m long. Ridge hieght is 4m max. Eaves 2.5m max.I am staying just under these to play the game. It has given me 3m wide gaps down each side as well. More hard standing/parking. To fund some of it, new house and all, something had to go. I just hope this garage is a fast and comfortable. I have always liked wooden buildings, can't explain it. Shed fettish? I am building a block shell, surrounded by a timber frame stood on a small wall, which will be insulated and clad in shiplap or the like.The wall is to keep the wood off the floor,simple as that really. Old one came down, retained the bricks for 'ron. Cleaned a load of them up for the outer lower wall. Footings dug. They have concrete at the base. then blocks laid in their sides to bring it up to ground. Bricks on the outside with a dpc at internal floor level. Then what looked to me like to many blocks turned up. Its been a slow job due to weather and life, but i'm now this far with help from friends. So to ask the question in the title, sheets? I have found here www.ebay.co.uk/itm/POLYSTYRENE-SHEET-50MM-2400X-1200-24-SHEETS/370589726494which works out at £9 to £10 a sheet. Anyone know of any better offers or outlets? Thanks.
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Last Edit: Feb 12, 2019 20:40:51 GMT by richrolls
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Jan 19, 2019 22:49:56 GMT
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Ad does not mention it being fire resistant EPS. Even the fire resistant stuff needs to be covered though.
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mashed
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That board is used in screed flooring to give it a bit of bounce so isn't the right stuff for the job you need Kingspan Or Celotex.
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Jan 20, 2019 11:30:33 GMT
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Polystyrene board - This is the last thing you want to be using - its fragile and whilst it provides some insulation value has an insulation board it is highly flammable - you need to be using a rigid insulation board - it's lightweight, cuts easily & gives very high insulation values and meets fire regulations - the catch is it can be very expensive - I recommend something like a 60mm - 80mm thick insulation board and it can fitted in a couple of ways. If you have the space externally you could place vertical timber battens to the block wall at equal centres - cut and fit the insulation board between the battens (friction / interference fit) then clad the building has you originally planned but you have then increased the external depth of your walls / foot print by circa 100mm - its fine if you have the space to do it and is an accepted building practice - I would however strongly recommend that you fit a breathable membrane (such has Tyvek) to the battens prior to fitting the cladding regardless of insulation route that you take. The other option is clad the insulation to the internal walls - again if you use the batten method has explained for the outer walls - with insulation fitted between the battens - you could then if you wanted to board over with either plaster board or ply sheet to give you an internal wall finish that you can paint - there are also insulation boards available that are pre faced but these come at yet more expense. So just the cost issue to address then - well you could have a measure up and price the board from a large DIY chain, or go to a local builders merchant and have them price it up for you either way - Wickes price for a 2400mm x 1200mm x 75mm is currently £47 - a rough & quick guesstimate says about 60 sqm for your walls which is 20 boards = £940 that's excluding the roof and what's the point of doing the walls if you are not doing the roof you are probably going need upwards of 35 number 2400mm x 1200m insulation boards at Wickes prices that's £1645 + The moneysaving answer is to trawl this website to find what you need - they specialise in returned slightly damaged boards and then sell them has a bundle / palleted deal - For instance: Pallett 403 is non foil backed 70/80mm thick sheets x 32 number @ £330 + some transport cost - even if it's £500 delivered it's a massive saving over what you will pay elsewhere www.secondsandco.co.uk/shop-c15shGood luck with the build and please keep us all updated - Chris
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Last Edit: Jan 20, 2019 13:02:06 GMT by Deleted
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richrolls
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Jan 20, 2019 17:21:50 GMT
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Good points and links, thanks. It has already been planned (HA! planning? mental)to membrane between layers and place insulation betwwen batterns before exterior cladding. It is the source/type of the insualation that I need pointers for. Chris has picked up on the YORKSHIRE! angle......but I only have one chance to do this right as possible with out having to sell more of my body parts to science to fund it.
Science are starting to ask for their money back.
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Jan 20, 2019 17:55:29 GMT
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It is the source/type of the insualation that I need pointers for. Check your local salvage / reclamation yards, a while ago I got 100+ 2x4 sheets of 60mm foil backed celotex for £50 (ex-school ceiling tiles), less than 50p each The place below was recommended to me but I've not used them, maybe worth looking into? www.secondsandco.co.uk/
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Another vote from me for secondsandco. I got a bucket load of insulation from them for my garage build and it has made a world of difference to the usability of it especially at this time of year.
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Jan 24, 2019 21:29:54 GMT
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I spoke to the site manager of a local housing development regarding who clears their sites when phases are completed, he gave me the details of the bloke who clears everything, wood, bricks, blocks, insulation, the lot. I called him and got enough 50mm celotex to do my loft and garage for two pounds a strip ( each strip being approx 4' x 2'). Worth a try.
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richrolls
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Jan 26, 2019 20:12:52 GMT
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Thank you for the interest and replies.Just two part courses of block to get to the eaves now. Just to clear up, then create more confusion, below is a very very.Very brief sketch of the walls. There will be membrane before the outer cladding goes on. It will cover the stud frame and insulation. There is a lack of building salvage yards around here, We have a large amount of buildings coming down on a site, but they all have "soft" insulation, loft style stuff. The EPS is was thinking about wouldn't be visable from inside or outside the building, as you can tell from the picture. But in other news I have found eRoofs over in East Yorkshire who have offers on seconds of insulation boards. I have spoken to Seconds and Co who were very helpful, and better priced compared to new.
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Have used secondsandco on 2x roofs now (5m x 3m bike workshop and 17m x 7.5m toybox). Great people to deal with &, last time I was there, only £30 delivery across UK main postcodes (may have changed since, though). Seriously worth a look.
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I can't understand having internal blockwork with insulated and clad external skin, it seems you'll have a massive thermal mass to heat before feeling any benefit from the insulation, it might make sense in a residential building but not in a garage unless its heated constantly?
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richrolls
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Feb 12, 2019 20:58:55 GMT
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OOOOkay. Further on now. Starting on the roof. Still havn't fallen on what, if anything now to stuff into the walls. Hopefully to cover a few of the points raised/asked,It'll never be toasty warm or 'owt. It is me addressing the "gift" of spending £100's on a token gesture to keeping in a bit of heat (two normal rad's with 300w elements in)and more keeping in a bit of noise now we live in town. I honestly think it will be a very small nod towards modern insulation because something is better than nothing. Out in the 'Dales where we used to be, noise wasn't a problem, but cold was. I found some closed cell sheets which were fitted in between trusses and the difference was night and day regards heat retention. I picture this in my very small space reserved for thinking along side the aga/storage heater principal. Small heat source and very well insulated (not anywhere near in this case I know)thereby compounding the heat. Regards the block work. It's just to make the building more substantial. Thanks
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Feb 12, 2019 21:19:49 GMT
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Warm roof / warm wall insulation (i.e. externally insulated rather than internally) is commonplace / accepted practice and is being used all the time - has is bonded insulation which is fixed to the masonry / timber frame structure then rendered over with specialist coatings - it will still make a significant difference against a uninsulated building regardless of which side of the wall the insulation is installed
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richrolls
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Still just managing to get out between work and weather. Seconds & Co, as mentioned/recommended above, came up trumps with the insulation.Odd size but works. 1200x1200 and 30<50 taper. Turn them back to back and we're at 80mm thick. Nice.
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Last Edit: Mar 8, 2019 14:39:19 GMT by richrolls
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bazzateer
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Another vote from me for secondsandco. I got a bucket load of insulation from them for my garage build and it has made a world of difference to the usability of it especially at this time of year. Me too, in fact it may have been 51rider who recommended them to me 5-6 years ago. My 30' x 20' "shed" is insulated on all walls, doors and ceiling with stuff from them.
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Mar 10, 2019 10:21:22 GMT
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Another vote from me for secondsandco. I got a bucket load of insulation from them for my garage build and it has made a world of difference to the usability of it especially at this time of year. Me too, in fact it may have been 51rider who recommended them to me 5-6 years ago. My 30' x 20' "shed" is insulated on all walls, doors and ceiling with stuff from them. Hi Bazz, Yup, it was me who recommended them to you - glad to see it was of use. You stil down at Vauxhall or over at pastures new?
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richrolls
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Mar 18, 2019 16:26:41 GMT
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Getting onto the roof covering now. Also getting membrane on the walls as well.
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richrolls
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Finished the cladding. Got the personnel and main door fitted.Wood preserver from Smith and Allen to go on once the wood has dried right out. Main target to date has to make it bird proof as much as possible, didn't want to have to wait for swallows or swifts to move out. Thanks
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Last Edit: Apr 16, 2019 17:13:01 GMT by richrolls
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Apr 17, 2019 20:35:59 GMT
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Finished the cladding. Got the personnel and main door fitted.Wood preserver from Smith and Allen to go on once the wood has dried right out. Main target to date has to make it bird proof as much as possible, didn't want to have to wait for swallows or swifts to move out. Thanks Thought you meant preventing the missus finding her when in there for a sec
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rickygolf83
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That looks awesome! Looks wooden but is barely wooden!
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