luckyseven
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Owning sneering dismissive pedantry since 1970
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Jan 22, 2019 22:27:51 GMT
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Exactly what my wife said when she moved from secondary to broad-spectrum special needs teaching. The students might have been able to achieve much less overall, but in terms of their parameters, anything they did achieve was a major result. She said it was the most rewarding time she'd spent in teaching, whereas trying to get bored teenagers to stop texting and thinking about boobs very quickly lost its appeal Just to clarify... is that ‘stop texting and start thinking about boobs’ or ‘stop texting and also stop thinking about boobs’ Sorry (I’m a scout leader and most of the scouts do it because they want to, the cubs are mostly packed off without a choice....so I do sort of know what you mean, a bit) I’ll get my coat! Mmmmph, sorry? I was trying to formulate an answer but got distracted by the thought of boobs You wouldn't have thought I'd lived with an English teacher all these years with that appalling mixed syntax, would you? Eats shoots and leaves indeed
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Last Edit: Jan 22, 2019 22:29:55 GMT by luckyseven
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Jan 25, 2019 22:42:24 GMT
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End of week three! We keep uncovering bodges... "Today, class, we will be learning why certain people shouldn't be allowed anywhere near cars." I thought welding the bottom six inches of a bolt on wing was bad. I thought that using self tappers to replace snapped off M8 bolts was ingenious although stupid. Welding a floorpan washer or three to the 'pan was annoying, and welding the heater channel repair panel to the floorpan was just lazy. But whoever welded a patch over the rear corner of the floorpan and completely covered one of the bolts deserves my pity and contempt. In the word of one of my year 10s, "what a complete fox picture."
Still, they've learnt more angle grindering and removed the corners of the floorpan completely along with the jacking points on both sides. They removed one of the 17mm bolts on the rear suspension mount and snapped the other (which had been replaced with a 13mm bolt for some reason!), crowbarred the plates off the front bulkhead which had been blobbed in place and marked out the last bits of weld holding body to floorpan. I'm saving the pictures for next week when we have separation!
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1968 Cal Look Beetle - 2007cc motor - 14.45@93mph in full street trim 1970-ish Karmann Beetle cabriolet - project soon to be re-started. 1986 Scirocco - big plans, one day!
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Jan 30, 2019 22:19:51 GMT
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Week 4 - body off! After a couple of lessons where students were distracted by trial fitting a 6-point roll cage to the car (better to scratch the paint on this one than the orange one while we're checking out exactly where it fits!), we finally split the body and floorpan this morning! The heater channel on the drivers side had been welded pretty much front to rear along the floorpan edge, so one of the lads got choppy with the angry grinder and freed them wherever he could. There were some rather horrible plates on the bulkhead but fortunately they'd not been painted so they'd simply rotted away and were really easy to rip apart! We'd had the shocks off a little while ago, so once the wheels were on and the car was on the floor, we bounced the car up and down by the spare wheel well and lo and behold, the body came away from the pan! Then we had to stop to disconnect the brake fluid reservoir, which we'd forgotten about, and cut a couple of extra wires that were in the way, and the body went skyward on the lift. My teaching assistant is by his own admission not a car guy, but he's keen to learn as much as he can, and both him and the other guy in the photo above were blown away when the body came off. The students reactions varied from "is that it?" to "that's proper rotten", with the general feeling being positive. In the afternoon lesson we started removing pieces from the floorpan ready for soda blasting which will hopefully happen fairly soon!
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1968 Cal Look Beetle - 2007cc motor - 14.45@93mph in full street trim 1970-ish Karmann Beetle cabriolet - project soon to be re-started. 1986 Scirocco - big plans, one day!
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luckyseven
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Jan 30, 2019 22:31:19 GMT
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Soda blasting Even at 5p a carrier bag it shouldn't cost much to get it back to base
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Jan 30, 2019 23:43:26 GMT
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Soda blasting Even at 5p a carrier bag it shouldn't cost much to get it back to base As I keep telling the kids, I've restored worse! Bare metalling is the only way to go to find every little bit of grot, and I'm not completely convinced about acid dipping - I've heard too many stories about the acid getting trapped in the seams only to reappear 12 months or so down the line. There's a soda blasting place local to school that have done quite a few Beetles, Porsches, Jags etc., and they seem to know their stuff. When I spoke to them a couple of weeks ago we agreed that we would cut off the pan halves, remove the gearbox and beam and they'd blast it. Although the drivers side pan half looks like something that PG Tips might be basing their next design on, the passenger side isn't too bad at all, and could be saveable. The framehead is good, as is the bottom plate, and even the Napoleons hat looks solid. Blasting it before the pan halves go on will be a nice way of getting the edges perfectly clean and the whole thing ready for paint, which I also want to do at school! The body is a different kettle of fish though! Bottom six inches all round, and potentially front quarter panels too. It's actually on the original heater channels, so it shouldn't be too hard to square up the body - I haven't braced it yet because I want it to move a little to line up the doors and tweak the front end where I think the accident damage may have twisted the shell slightly. It'll all get blasted as well but that'll probably be into the next academic year.
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1968 Cal Look Beetle - 2007cc motor - 14.45@93mph in full street trim 1970-ish Karmann Beetle cabriolet - project soon to be re-started. 1986 Scirocco - big plans, one day!
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oldisbetter
Part of things
If it has a ECU it's complicated :)
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neildavies great project and i bet the kids will love learning about cars by working on a resto, Thats a cracking workshop for a school,
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Jan 31, 2019 19:11:44 GMT
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The good thing with it all being stripped and back to metal/holes, pretty much anything you do is moving forward
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oldisbetter
Part of things
If it has a ECU it's complicated :)
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Jan 31, 2019 20:18:03 GMT
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Jan 31, 2019 20:38:06 GMT
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Just found this and immediately bookmarked it. A good resto thread that transcends most other because its kids doing it.....I'm in.
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Jan 31, 2019 20:55:04 GMT
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Rob, you've got PM! Cheers mate!
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1968 Cal Look Beetle - 2007cc motor - 14.45@93mph in full street trim 1970-ish Karmann Beetle cabriolet - project soon to be re-started. 1986 Scirocco - big plans, one day!
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Jan 31, 2019 21:06:22 GMT
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Just found this and immediately bookmarked it. A good resto thread that transcends most other because its kids doing it.....I'm in. Thank you very much, that means a huge amount to me and to the students. With four different groups working on it for two 1hr 40min sessions every week you'd think that progress would be swift, but these aren't your regular schoolkids! That said, my year 11 group this morning (two lads, plus me and my teaching assistant!) managed to get quite a lot done - pedal box out, master cylinder off, rear hub nuts off, rear drums off, handbrake cables disconnected and all of the bolts on the back end wire brushed and soaked in WD40. That's a great lesson for them, and I'm really proud. In less good news, the automotive archaeology continues with the shell so that we can send our parts list to the generous folks at www.vwheritage.com - we knew the car had been hit in the front at some point, but it looks like it was a much harder impact than first thought, as the drivers side quarter panel has been replaced. It now makes sense why the fuel filler flap area has both a cable release and a finger notch! Unfortunately this quarter is both rusty and badly fitted, so thats a bigger repair than I'd hoped, but it just another challenge and a skill for the kids to learn. Photos of the gaps where there should be welds and the bent top of the bulkhead tomorrow!
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1968 Cal Look Beetle - 2007cc motor - 14.45@93mph in full street trim 1970-ish Karmann Beetle cabriolet - project soon to be re-started. 1986 Scirocco - big plans, one day!
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Jan 31, 2019 21:54:37 GMT
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Jan 31, 2019 21:54:58 GMT
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let your boys see this
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Will do, looks like a great project!
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1968 Cal Look Beetle - 2007cc motor - 14.45@93mph in full street trim 1970-ish Karmann Beetle cabriolet - project soon to be re-started. 1986 Scirocco - big plans, one day!
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colm then done a porsche 914 older lad in the pic tiny now 10 has a polo ,this might give them a bit of an inspiration to help and learn , build there own cars ,keep up THE GOOD WORK
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Week five! Not a lot happening so far this week - well, not worth photographing anyway. And even if there was, I dropped my phone on Friday stopping a fight, so I've not taken any this week on my old clunker. We have had one group out on a trip to a training provider about automotive apprenticeships, which was exciting, another have done the discs and pads on the front of my wife's daily, we've had one Year 10 lad being the only student to attend either of his groups lessons this week (yes, really!) and the other Year 10 group had no-one at all yesterday! Plan for tomorrow is to slacken off all the bolts on the floorpan (beam and gearbox) and maybe even get the pan halves cut out. We'll see how that goes...
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1968 Cal Look Beetle - 2007cc motor - 14.45@93mph in full street trim 1970-ish Karmann Beetle cabriolet - project soon to be re-started. 1986 Scirocco - big plans, one day!
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i cut the pans 1 out from the spine right around then use air chisel to rip along the spine busting the spot welds , safer less time more fun
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Week five! Not a lot happening so far this week - well, not worth photographing anyway. And even if there was, I dropped my phone on Friday stopping a fight, so I've not taken any this week on my old clunker. We have had one group out on a trip to a training provider about automotive apprenticeships, which was exciting, another have done the discs and pads on the front of my wife's daily, we've had one Year 10 lad being the only student to attend either of his groups lessons this week (yes, really!) and the other Year 10 group had no-one at all yesterday! Plan for tomorrow is to slacken off all the bolts on the floorpan (beam and gearbox) and maybe even get the pan halves cut out. We'll see how that goes... Was thinking how jealous of your job I was, so thanks for posting this (and sorry to hear from your perspective)
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i cut the pans 1 out from the spine right around then use air chisel to rip along the spine busting the spot welds , safer less time more fun Yep, that's what I do too. Less chance of damaging the spine as well, although if they're original pans like these are, I often thin the left over piece down with the grinder to help the spot welds pop free.
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1968 Cal Look Beetle - 2007cc motor - 14.45@93mph in full street trim 1970-ish Karmann Beetle cabriolet - project soon to be re-started. 1986 Scirocco - big plans, one day!
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