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Oct 26, 2023 22:09:12 GMT
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I appear to have a 50% defecit of wheels. Just bought two new tires. The old ones were cracked, hard and generally getting a bit worn out (to put it mildly). Should be getting them back tomorrow, FedEx were late in delivering the new tires. Phil
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Oct 27, 2023 18:16:15 GMT
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Ah, there are my wheels. Brand new tires on, despite looking like they're from the fifties. They're even bias ply. Correct amount of blemonge handling. Phil
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Earning a living. Here it is, doing An Car duty as usual. I realize I don't take many pictures of it going places. Tonight, gas station then went mow the yard before the builders arrive. Phil
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Last Edit: Oct 28, 2023 2:16:59 GMT by PhilA
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Thinking over what remains on the gearbox to cause it to do what it does.
For the fact that it's also completely damn random, too. If the oil feed from the pump to the valve block is limited then the main line pressure will read correctly but the flow will be poor.
I'm thinking there may be something occasionally getting stuck in the pump main line and limiting the flow.
Hot the oil is thin and leaks away more easily, making it change weird.
Occasionally hot it'll change perfectly. If it's given the chance to fill up the voids then it'll act correctly, but maybe only that one time.
I'm thinking about removing the main line pressure point plug and cranking the engine over to get it to burp. Maybe a high flow situation will make it flush though. Who knows. Worth a try.
Phil
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glenanderson
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1951 Pontiac Chieftainglenanderson
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Can’t hurt.
Puts me in mind of a problem with the magneto on a bike I used to have. I rebuilt it several times, but only actually cured the problem by replacing it with a completely different one. I suspect that the main casing must have had a flaw that was undetectable to the naked eye.
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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Can’t hurt. Puts me in mind of a problem with the magneto on a bike I used to have. I rebuilt it several times, but only actually cured the problem by replacing it with a completely different one. I suspect that the main casing must have had a flaw that was undetectable to the naked eye. This one is getting to be Trigger's broom. I shall fix it. Eventually.
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I pulled the pressure gauge line and flushed through 2 quarts of oil. Replaced the oil with new, same issues. Oil pressure is within spec. I cleaned up the old pressure regulator. Swapped it out. Same deal. Transmission doesn't slip at all, stalls the engine at 1750 rpm in Dr or R but still the governor circuit acts the fool. Phil
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One thing I did see, it's not correctly dropping the main line pressure at idle (that's why I swapped the regulator).
I think an air line and all the bits removed are in the future, see if there's a partial clog that I didn't get out when I had the case apart.
Remember all that blue RTV...?
I need to see where the main line pressure tap comes from; it spat out two pints of oil in about three seconds so the flow isn't a problem for sure at that point in the system.
The reduced pressure thing is an 8-cylinder transmission thing. The original design didn't have enough grip in the clutch packs for the torque of the 8-cylinder engine so they squeezed the internal parts a bit and added more clutch rings to help. That made the clutch snatchy at light throttle so the fix was to route the throttle valve modulated pressure up to the pressure regulator, and fit a lighter main pressure spring. It's meant to make about 40psi at light throttle and bring it up to the normal 60psi once you've got your foot on it a little for normal running, resulting in a softer engagement on the entire system at light throttle.
There's also the reverse pressure bung-that's definitely working because the pressure jumps way up when reverse is engaged- that's to prevent the reverse cone from slipping.
I might just pull the two pistons out of the pressure regulator and start it up.
The line pressure should remain low and reverse should be at regular line pressure. It might also flush the line though.
Phil
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Last Edit: Oct 29, 2023 3:48:28 GMT by PhilA
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glenanderson
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1951 Pontiac Chieftainglenanderson
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I’m a bit (completely) out of my depth with auto boxes, but it sounds plausible.
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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Had to go fetch the child from school, so made the most of the evening. Had to stop at one of the car's favorite places. They sell 90 octane ethanol free fuel (popular for boats). Stopped on the way home to pick up dinner. Little local place. I would have continued to drive but I have to get up in the morning. Phil
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misteralz
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I got those Mastergrip sockets from Costco absolutely years ago and they're honestly my favourite sockets.
Anyway, as you were.
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Something you don't see every day. Two daily driven Pontiacs parked next to each other. Phil
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jimi
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Fiero ?
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Last Edit: Nov 6, 2023 16:59:12 GMT by jimi
Black is not a colour ! .... Its the absence of colour
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jimi
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It got a lot of flack back in the day, I thought it was/is OK never seen one over here. Similar style to my MR2, must be around the same age ?
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Black is not a colour ! .... Its the absence of colour
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It got a lot of flack back in the day, I thought it was/is OK never seen one over here. Similar style to my MR2, must be around the same age ? Oh yeah, it was the same age and a direct competitor inspired by the whole 2-seater small sports car/Ferrari F40 poster/Top Gun era.
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Last Edit: Nov 7, 2023 13:20:26 GMT by PhilA
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Nov 16, 2023 18:16:55 GMT
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Day off today. The whim took me to drive to where old highway 1 runs out. Years gone by, that road was 24/7 busy traffic, that was quite a busy little town. It's all but gone now. Phil
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jimi
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Nov 16, 2023 19:50:22 GMT
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Looks like the town could have done with being in your care, like the Pontiac
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Black is not a colour ! .... Its the absence of colour
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Went to town to try buy Christmas lights for the house. Failed because apparently they've been a popular item this year. Braved busy town traffic, the car behaved quite well. It did do something interesting as I pulled up to a red light- it downshifted, hot, through all 4 gears smoothly, then when I pulled away upshifted as cleanly as you could ever hope for. The car settled down and drove superbly on the way home which gave me opportunity to think about what could probably be happening inside the gearbox. The hotter the oil, the worse the behavior normally. 1-3 rough upshift at about 12-15 and then it would hold 3rd, acceleration would sometimes cause it to shift but it would slush into 4th, slipping badly until fully engaged. Occasionally taking my foot off the throttle would cause it to shift. Other times it would drop out drive and become like it was in neutral (normally backing off the throttle results in a significant drag, like with a manual gearbox). I went look in the manual again and did a bit of analytical reading. Apart came my spare (the original) valve block. Of particular interest, the throttle valve pistons, of which the 1-2 (center) valve has a spring which connects it directly to the 1-2 shift valve shuttle. I measured carefully and there's 0.16" gap between flush and the top of the shuttle when it's in the 1st gear position. Press on the throttle to get the car to move and the pressure behind the throttle valve piston increases and it will shoot out against the spring and contact the 1-2 shuttle. Under light throttle the pressure from the governor should shift the shuttle against the throttle valve with ease, shifting smoothly to second gear. Note, and this is important, that the spring is only held in place by a small peg in each end and has no other support. Cold, the spring appears to compress nice and evenly. Hot, it buckles to one side in an arc. Technically this shouldn't cause any issues but the bores are worn so that applies a small radial force on both the shuttle and throttle valve piston. I measured the maximum lift position of the throttle valve piston then applied a slight sideways force as I pushed it down the bore. Pushing downward, it would snag and bind up solid halfway down. The engineers knew that a really accurate, sharp 90° edge on a piston will cause any debris to be scraped out of the way and not cause the piston to bind, however that's only applicable really for edges that remain in a bore all the time. The larger section is just an exhaust valve to allow any blow-by on the 1-2 shuttle to escape while the car idles in Drive, at a standstill. It passes through a hole in the valve body, and relies upon the smaller section to be an accurate fit to hold it concentric. Well, it's not a tight fit any more because it's worn out- that's one of the most operated pieces of the valve body. As such, when the spring heats up and curves into an arc, if the spring is sitting downward (generally it is because gravity) it'll cause the sharp edge of the piston to sit neatly on the lip of the exhaust hole. That'll cause the 1-2 shift shuttle to become lodged in a halfway state, bleeding off pressure from the governor and generally causing havoc. I think this is why if I can get the gears to cycle through their shift a few times the new oil from the pan is cool enough to get the spring to stop compressing in an arc and allow the throttle valve piston to drop fully home, and allow the gears to shift correctly. So, what I did was engineering taboo. I carefully machined a chamfer on the larger portion of the throttle valve piston. No matter what radial force is applied now the thing centers itself in the hole as it's pushed through. If time allows tomorrow I want to swap this valve block out and see if that's made the slightest bit of difference. I hope it does, because it should make this a very well operating gearbox. Phil
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Last Edit: Dec 4, 2023 4:47:44 GMT by PhilA
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