npp
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Aug 30, 2018 14:26:14 GMT
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If you live in Sheffield (or anywhere hilly), you get used to being able to do the flick (named by my mate, who moved out of Sheffield to Cambridge & then moved back and couldn't do it anymore) . You can do hill starts without a handbrake and without rolling back. If you don't mind killing the clutch. you don't do it by holding the clutch at the biting point, the way I learnt it (in Hagen which is equally hilly in some areas as Sheffield) is just like driving off normally (and I don't have a brake servo either, but that by the by)
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Last Edit: Aug 30, 2018 14:26:39 GMT by npp
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edk83
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Aug 30, 2018 14:57:29 GMT
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If you're holding the clutch at biting point then surely you are using the friction plate against the flywheel to stop the car moving back. The flywheel is spinning fast and the clutch plate is not = friction = heat = worn out friction plate.
The inlaws live in Sheffield and the wife gets hand me down cars from her Mum, I always have to change the clutch!
Interesting about the gearbox looks like its going to fail being dangerous, how would it look like its going to fail? And how would that be dangerous??
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Aug 30, 2018 15:34:47 GMT
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You don't hold it on the clutch, you hold it on the brake pedal then make the transition to pulling off quick enough not to roll back. I've done it for years and never worn a clutch out due to overheating.
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Aug 30, 2018 20:24:35 GMT
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There is no need to wear out a clutch in a short time, even doing hill starts.
In my experience some people just wear out a lot of clutches, keeping it in gear at all junctions is a great way to work the thrust bearing hard, but people who do that always tend to prevent it rolling back if there is a hill by slipping the clutch trying to hold the car still. I guess that one session of 30 seconds holding the car by slipping the clutch must be equal to dozens of well controlled normal starts.
My ex Brother in law commented that he is unlucky as every car he buys soon needs a new clutch, complete nonsense, his driving style is the reason he needs new clutches as I've experienced.
Back to the point though, its hard to see how a gearbox or handbrake makes a car too dangerous to drive, at least to get home or to a place of repair.
I'll bet there arent many of us who havent driven a car with no handbrake until we can fix it, I did it myself recently and don't feel like I risked my life or other peoples.
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Last Edit: Aug 30, 2018 20:28:00 GMT by chris y
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Aug 30, 2018 21:46:42 GMT
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You can drive all year and never use the handbrake on an auto, infact many fail because they have never been used!
Intrigued to find out what makes a gearbox dangerous.
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ChasR
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Aug 30, 2018 22:32:42 GMT
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If you're holding the clutch at biting point then surely you are using the friction plate against the flywheel to stop the car moving back. The flywheel is spinning fast and the clutch plate is not = friction = heat = worn out friction plate. The inlaws live in Sheffield and the wife gets hand me down cars from her Mum, I always have to change the clutch! Interesting about the gearbox looks like its going to fail being dangerous, how would it look like its going to fail? And how would that be dangerous?? I've driven a car with a gearbox that is 'potentially' dangerous. In short, getting gears was a complete lottery. To this day, I am amazed the guy didn't get first by accident, it was that vague a change. It was a 1959 Split Screen Camper. The worst part? Reverse was near impossible to get. Go hard left, and down and '2nd', Try again, '2nd'. It would take about 5 mins of curse word about with the gear stick to get reverse. He struggled as well, as did others in the unit. In the end, we had to keep pushing his bus in backwards. I've driven some cars with curse word gear linkages but never ones as bad as that bus. It became a running gag; a colleague in our unit said 'I bet it will be 30 minutes before he gets the bus out'. It normally takes us 5 minutes tops to get our cars out. Another thing? Automated manuals & some dual clutch gearboxes don't creep so they need the handbrake. On BMWs, you can 'ride' the clutch or put the gearbox into a 'hill start' position to get you some time. But on mine, the flick is still an easy thing to get . The no-MOT law there had alot to answer for. That's before I get to an incontinent and vague steering box, and brakes that would randomly creep down.
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Aug 30, 2018 23:32:27 GMT
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Hi, I think the gearbox being about to fail is about having control of the vehicle, in the same way that the handbrake is a back up in case of brake failure. If the gearbox fails the car could roll away, which is why on the driving test you are required on stopping, to apply the the handbrake before putting the gearbox in neutral. If any of the brakes fail then you still have the ability to control the movement of the vehicle by using the engine. How many of us have supplemented a weak handbrake by leaving the 'box in gear when parked? I know there are now going to be remarks about automatic gearboxes but they still provide a measure of control.
Colin
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Aug 31, 2018 13:43:38 GMT
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I think a big problem is going to be the rear brake proportioning valves they are getting very difficult to find for the 80s/90s stuff, they are all specifically tailored to the model of car which does not help matters
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edk83
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Aug 31, 2018 14:22:27 GMT
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I've got a goodridge one, it works too!
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Aug 31, 2018 14:45:29 GMT
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I think a big problem is going to be the rear brake proportioning valves they are getting very difficult to find for the 80s/90s stuff, they are all specifically tailored to the model of car which does not help matters The point my tester made about things like this is there is no data base as to what was fitted with them (same apples to heatsheilds and sound deadening), 2 outwardly identical vehicles made a few months apart may or may not have them, if not sure the tester is supposed to give the benefit of the doubt and pass, he doesn't see many failing!
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Sept 4, 2018 10:41:33 GMT
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the real problem is people thinking its only just become a risk of 3 points and 25hundy fine to drive a non roadworthy car
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Sept 4, 2018 14:20:51 GMT
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Not quite sure how a weak parking brake makes a car dangerous to drive. My understanding is that you're only supposed to use it when you're not driving! Hill start or parking on incline.
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ChasR
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Sept 4, 2018 21:10:32 GMT
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the real problem is people thinking its only just become a risk of 3 points and 25hundy fine to drive a non roadworthy car While I agree with your point, you and I both know that alot of testers out there could see things as dangerous when it may not be. After all Dangerous = Money no matter how you look at it. You'll either have to get it repaired at their place and hope you don't get bent over a barrel come invoice time or have to get it towed somewhere. This is probably one reason why the MOT system was as loose as it was. I've heard some prices people have paid to get work done on a car (£600 for pads and front tyres on an '04 Astra 1.6? Really?). Some of the prices to me anyway are staggering. Maybe I've worked on my cars as much as possible for too long a time but I can fully see and somehow support people who do get a new car for £xxx a month. To quote a man who works for an automotive company and has worked in a few garages he said this: "Testers can do what the F**K they want. After all, their decision is final" Yes, I know you could contest that but can you really be bothered with that hassle? Even my tester who bends backwards to help people out and is one of the good guys says MOTs are a licence to print money... The parking brake is a good example. On one car I owned it got two fail sheets within a month from the previous owner. On one, it failed the MOT on dangerously split handbrake casings & a poor handbrake. On to the other, the cables were an advisory and the handbrake stated as simply being a little long...
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Last Edit: Sept 4, 2018 21:14:53 GMT by ChasR
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