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Jun 28, 2018 13:04:05 GMT
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The Jowett was a separate chassis, so I think you need to forget the cortina bottom half and this needs to be sold as an awesome body that could be dropped onto a Scimitar/fx4/etc chassis (without checking wheelbase) which wouldn’t need IVA (once the floorpan of the Jowett was repaired and strengthened adequately)? The Jowett Javelin categorically was not a separate chassis but an early form of unitary bodyshell construction & effectively the vast majority of the floor pan & boot floor are ply clad
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scimjim
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Jun 28, 2018 16:05:12 GMT
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curse word - that puts paid to that then It’ll probably have to join the hundreds of other projects on eBay that people are desperately trying to move on as the rules are clamped down more and more.
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Jun 28, 2018 16:10:30 GMT
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MOT exempt anyway!!!! Who cares what i.d. it has? The guy wants to sell it as a project... What tbe new owner does is up go him... I would hazard a guess it would be considered to fall foul of the "substantially changed in the past 30yrs" clause regarding it's MOT exemption status. Maybe I'm missing the irony here though......
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74 Mk1 Escort 1360, 1971 Vauxhall Victor SL2000 Estate.
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Jun 28, 2018 20:51:00 GMT
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Its no way MOT exempt , different chassis/ modified mono , different engine, different gearbox, different axles , different suspension,
The floorpan alone loses the registration,
Why do all the work to build and build it illegally ?
So hope your not serious about MOT exempt and advocating the eventual builder uses the Jowett or Cortina reg.
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retired with too many projects!
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voodoo57
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Jun 30, 2018 20:24:16 GMT
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Hi Guy's, yes, the chap wants it sold, but what i am trying to do is get the advice from the dvla to confirm exactly what is/will be needed, i just want to make sure all the details are correct so the buyer can see/understand this and know there is nothing untoward going on. I would seriously have it myself, but i am now looking at a 4 door mk1 Cortina with something along the lines of either a J lump or possibly a Ford 2.3? anyway, i have very little time at the moment to continue calling the iva dept etc... but i am going to press on from Tuesday afternoon! i know i may need form v55/5 and possibly v62/1 but going by feeback, this may be the least of my worries, but hey! I am trying! thanks again to you all, i do appreciate all comments.
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voodoo57
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Jun 30, 2018 20:26:21 GMT
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p,s, the car was built (in it's present state) before all this change became apparent (to most) but i know this will not matter to the inspectors jobsworths and their nan's making the tea so if there are hoops, i will jump through them.
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Jun 30, 2018 20:33:54 GMT
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www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/radically-altered-vehicles and the changes came in 1998, It will be easy to prove the build date, when was Jowett last on road and when was Cortina last on road? Saw this same sort of thing recently with another car tried to claim old build date trouble was the toyota engine used wasn't built then!
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retired with too many projects!
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voodoo57
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The cortina was last on the road about 25+ years, the Jowett a few years more, but, because the chassis on the Jowett was virtually non existent, it seemed a shame to waste the body, hence the joining of the two which was only about 2 years ago?
well, I have spoken to a few people in the dvla and various other depts, and can confirm that by filling in the iva 1c form will determine if the car falls into a catagory which goes by a letter, there are a few letters ACSLMP all for various types, now if after filling in the said form it comes under AC or S Amatuer Business build or Rebuild, it will be £450 for the test (or to look at it!) which is a bit tough in my opinion, however,it it falls into one of the other catagories, it will be £200. Bearing in mind, as has been mentioned here, it's only the body itself that is any different, he has the logbook for the cortina section and an MOT plus the one tag, so what i will do, on the strength of what i have mentioned, is suggest to the guy who owns it, drop the price from the £2k asking price to £1550 as he wants to sell it, not keep it! (as cactus mentioned). after all, if You were selling something under the same circumstances, why would you drop an engine in it, get it all ready for an mot (after this IVA curse word) knowing you didn't want it? seems a lot of hassle to try for a sale, and then your not guaranteed of a sale?
The reason it's for sale is because where he is, he has a couple of Mk1 Cortinas, saloons and i think 2 but def' one estate, a woody model (but no wood fitted) and the storage is going to be demolished, he only has a small garage, hence the reson for the sale of all what he owns.
i am off to take more photos this evening, i may post them on here, I appreciate all the chatter folks.
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scimjim
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The Jowett was a separate chassis, so I think you need to forget the cortina bottom half and this needs to be sold as an awesome body that could be dropped onto a Scimitar/fx4/etc chassis (without checking wheelbase) which wouldn’t need IVA (once the floorpan of the Jowett was repaired and strengthened adequately)? The Jowett Javelin categorically was not a separate chassis but an early form of unitary bodyshell construction & effectively the vast majority of the floor pan & boot floor are ply clad In fact, with further thought, it doesn’t matter if the cortina and/or Jowett are separate chassis or unitary/monocoque if you don’t use their identity - you can put whatever body you like on a separate chassis vehicle (using the identity of the chassis).
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ok, went to the barn this evening, took more pics, still has the 1800cc zetec fitted, married to a 1200cc gearbox (he wanted the gearstick to come thru the floor where it should be) prop and standard rear end and probably a 3.9 diff, so all pretty basic there, he hasn't built it (or started to) as a fast car, just something different but able to travel at a sensible speed, but if you wanted to.... it all unbolts and you can play til your hearts content! i think it looks bloody cool! i will post some photos, the sun was low, so not fantastic, but also took some from inside the barn.
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There you have it, unfinished, Rolling, and very different!
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I will be very honest with you - I have been repairing / restoring Javelins for over 10 years - particularly the bodyshells & panel work, paint & trim. I don't want to sound arrogant or conceited but I know these cars inside out - it states that all the hard work is done - far from it - the compound curvature on the door bottoms alone is a long & complex process - there is still a great deal of work to do to get this anything like roadworthy along with all the ambiguity of how it can be registered and if it has go down the IVA route that's yet another skip full of work - I fully appreciate that you are acting on behalf of someone else and trying to help them move the project on - but all the hard work done ? no chance and that needs to be reflected in the pricing of it to stand any chance of it going anywhere - it's not the amount of work that has gone in to it so far that needs to be reflected in the price - it's the amount of work that is still required to go into the project in order to return it to the road and that needs to be reflected in the price - to that end it's worth no more than £750 - £1,000 (my opinion but a very experienced one)
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Thank you for that.
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Does he want to sell a mk1 tina estate you mention? If so bung me a pm please GLWTS
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Cheers dude, yes, he has the estate, will message you the details.
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pm sent.
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Sold...Sold...Sold....
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Jul 14, 2018 22:18:38 GMT
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you can physically mot it, doesnt mean the registration is correct though , if the registrations not correct then nor is the mot I see your here as well posting up but with no links to legislation. So I guess the question is where is the evidence that if the registration is not correct if the mot is not correct ? hello anybody there ?
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