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I was wondering the other day about what cars [mass produced, not one offs] were the first to have various things that are considered normal now.
to start off
which car was the first to have an electric fan for the radiator?
which car was the first to have a [deliberate] intermittent wipe function?
in the uk, which car range or model was the first to have Air Con as standard?
which car was the first to have electric windows?
potentially hundreds of Firsts to ask about, fire away!
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I can't answer your post properly BUT I do know that Mercedes pioneered most of the modern day tech we now come to expect like rain sensing wipers, abs etc etc
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I think the Jensen Interceptor was the first with ABS maybe about 1969(?)
Citroen SM was the first with rain sensing wipers in 1970.
Intermittent wipe was on a US car I'm sure. It was something like a Stingray or Thunderbird and was the subject of a huge court case at the time after the inventor had his system rejected and then the idea stolen. There was a film about it a few years back.
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Graeme M
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Phil H
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I think the Scimitar GTE was the first to have split folding rear seats? Unless anyone knows of another before 1968!
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First production vehicle fitted with a curved windscreen - Jowett Javelin 1947
First all electric vehicle produced ? - 1834 - yes 1834 not a typo
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I think the Scimitar GTE was the first to have split folding rear seats? Unless anyone knows of another before 1968! I think the Citroen DS Safai Estate had a 60/30 split rear seat for use as a mini ambulance back in something like 1960 I love all old cars by Citroens are my faves. They really did either invent or pioneer a huge number of 'modern' systems not limited to the following: Rear stop lights (30s) Independent suspension (1934) Flexible engine mountings (1930s) Front disk brakes (1955) composite bodywork material (1955 polymer resin and aluminium - DS roof and bonnet - also early ones had perspex rear window) Front wheel drive (1934) Chassisless 'monocoque' body (1934) frameless door glass (Citroen DS - unverified but I don't know of a pre 1955 car to have that?) 'dynamic' headlights that steered and leveled vertically (1967,although I think a vintage US car Cord had a steering single center headlight in the 40s) Plastics for dashboard (1955) Applied aerodynamics as opposed to 'streamlining' with ducting for brakes / cooling system etc (1955) Radial tyres (Michelin X) Powered twin circuit brakes (1930s) could be wrong but I think the DS was (one of) the first to use a cross flow cylinder head with hemisphere combustion chambers in 1955. Also, that 'step' from the back of the roof down to the rear windown on the DS - virtually every car since the Ford Focus has this but the DS stood alone with that feature from 1955. Unless anyone knows of one before - I'm ready to be schooled! They also pioneered a good few things that didn't really become commonplace: Semi automatic transmission (though maybe in the last 15 years it has been common) Centralised high pressure hydraulic system to operate the main systems: suspension, steering, semi auto gear selectors, power brakes. Center-point steering geometry Single bolt/fixing for wheels (1955) Single blade mono wiper in 1974 on the CX The DS has the engine behind the front axle - the back is actually beneath the windscreen - and is 'technically' mid-engined although back to front compared to a Lotus or other mid. Parking brake on the front wheels (I know, where's the fun in that ) I think the Mercedes Benz 300SL was the first to use petrol injection and an engine mounted at an axis to reduce the height. As for Air Con, I think that US cars began getting that as standard in the 60s - Cadillacs? Audi - first all aluminium body? Volvo - First use of standard 3 point seatbelts in around 1969 - made the patent freely available for the whole car world for safety - a pretty noble cause huh? Ford Thunderbird was the first (and I reckon only) to use an electroluminescent speedometer and gauges in about 1969 - don't know why that didn't become commonplace? Don't know about electric windows but I think they're much older than you'd expect, might even be pre war on something like RollsRoyce
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Graeme M
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First production vehicle fitted with a curved windscreen - Jowett Javelin 1947 First all electric vehicle produced ? - 1834 - yes 1834 not a typo - wow really?! and to think we're now back with electric
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Graeme M
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could be wrong but I think the DS was (one of) the first to use a cross flow cylinder head with hemisphere combustion chambers in 1955. I doubt it - the Jaguar XK engine wasn’t the first and that was 1948. Likewise, there might be another close call on disc brakes with Jaguar? Depends on definition though - mass production car then I think the DS has it: www.hemmings.com/magazine/hsx/2011/04/The-first-car-with-disc-brakes-really-was------/3698201.htmlScimitar might have been the first with a 50/50 split rear seat then.
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I want to know where the first central locking was used
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Graeme M
1993 Citroen Xantia TD VSX 'Auld Katy' 1968 Future arrival..
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could be wrong but I think the DS was (one of) the first to use a cross flow cylinder head with hemisphere combustion chambers in 1955. I doubt it - the Jaguar XK engine wasn’t the first and that was 1948. Likewise, there might be another close call on disc brakes with Jaguar? Depends on definition though - mass production car then I think the DS has it: www.hemmings.com/magazine/hsx/2011/04/The-first-car-with-disc-brakes-really-was------/3698201.htmlScimitar might have been the first with a 50/50 split rear seat then. Ah right O, I think my enthusiasm got the better of me there
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Graeme M
1993 Citroen Xantia TD VSX 'Auld Katy' 1968 Future arrival..
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Saab was quite pioneering.
Standard seat belts (1958) (only 2-point though) headlamp wash/wipe (1970) Side impact bars First Heated seats (1972) First mass produced family car with a turbo. (1977) Turbo APC (automatic performance control) anti knock system (1980) Direct ignition
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'98 e36 316i lux '97 mx5 harvard '87 Saab 900 T16s
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First 4 wheel car was a Daimler 1886
First Monocoque was Lancia Lambda 1924
First Disc brakes was the Chrysler CROWN Imperial 1948
First Gas Turbine was of course Rover Jet 1 1950
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1984 Rover SD1 Vanden Plas 2600 Auto 1985 Rover SD1 2300s Auto 2005 MG ZT 1.8 Manual
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I want to know where the first central locking was used Packard in 1956
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1984 Rover SD1 Vanden Plas 2600 Auto 1985 Rover SD1 2300s Auto 2005 MG ZT 1.8 Manual
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I want to know where the first central locking was used Packard in 1956 Nice, one of my favourite inventions
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Graeme M
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[Audi - first all aluminium body? First aluminium alloy monocoque perhaps? I think the Durkopp was the first aluminium alloy body in 1899.
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Apr 10, 2018 18:48:12 GMT
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a wealth of knowledge - thanks
more!
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scimjim
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Apr 10, 2018 22:07:52 GMT
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I think the Mercedes Benz 300SL was the first to use petrol injection Definitely the first production car to use direct petrol injection - injection had been around for decades in diesels, petrol aircraft and race cars (the 300SL Engine was developed from the W194/W196 racers which were also canted over to reduce frontal area).
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Apr 10, 2018 22:34:18 GMT
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Triumph Dolomite Sprint: 1st 16 valve engine and 1st alloy wheels fitted to a production car. I think...
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Apr 10, 2018 23:34:17 GMT
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First monocoque, 1922 to 1931 Lancia Lambda. It also had a ( sliding pillar ) IFS
According to the Forgotten Fiberglass site Fiberglass was used as a material for car bodies from 1946 on. www.forgottenfiberglass.com/forgotten-fiberglass-history/timeline/
The 1907 Fiat 130HP had a crossflow hemi head engine.
And the 1912 Peugeot Grand Prix had 4 valves per cylinder and twin overhead cams ( 4 cyl. , so 16 valves )
A full electric car was the first to break the 100Km/h barrier, the 1899 Jamais Contente.
Electric self starter on the 1912 Cadillac.
Hydraulic brakes - Duesenberg 1914 ( racecar ), and 1921 ( passenger car )
4 wheel brakes, Deusenberg 1915
Disc brake, 1902 Lancaster.
Intermittent wiper, Robert Kearns prototyped it on a 1964 Ford Galaxie
ABS, mechanical system (if I remember right ) kind of happened as a by product of Fergusons 4WD development, so it was on the Ferguson GP car the Jensen FF, and other 4 wheel drive prototypes they did. ABS Electronic, claimed by Bosch, and Mercedes. ( but Chrysler may have been earlier , 1971 )
Adaptive headlights ( steering with the front wheels ) , 1948 Tucker, or possibly 1905 Upton .
Fiberglass monocoque, 1956 Berkeley ( beating the Lotus Elite by 1 year )
Carbon fiber monocoque, 1981 McLaren ( race ), 1992 McLaren ( street, production )
Wing (airfoil) on racecar, 1928 Opel Rak2 ( rocket powered LSR car )
CV joint, invented by Rzeppa ( who worked for Ford), in 1926, don't know what the first car was it was used on.
A lot of this stuff has been around a lot longer than you'd think, at first...
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