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Jan 28, 2018 20:31:44 GMT
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Jan 28, 2018 20:45:39 GMT
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Signed
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Jan 28, 2018 21:05:04 GMT
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Me too. Who the hell would p/x a 'mint' Standard Ten for a new van??!!
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Jan 28, 2018 21:12:07 GMT
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Done.
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Jan 28, 2018 21:17:43 GMT
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As far as I know these "scrappage schemes" are just car dealerships offering an incentive to trade in an old car for a new one. There isn't any government money being made available, they're just the usual trade-in deals that are using the publicity (and stupid made-up name) of the Government funded scheme 10 years ago. How can the government stop someone legally trading in their old car for a new one, whether it's a 2004 Kia or a Ferrari 250 GTO? Thinking more about this... how on earth would this be remotely workable? Will it be illegal for anyone to scrap a historic vehicle unless it's been proven to have not been involved in any kind of trade-in for a new car? Will it also be inspected to make sure that it is truly beyond saving? And will the owner be forced to undertake a full resto or sell it to someone who will "defo do it up mate" instead, should it be found to be saveable? Will there be some sort of "Listed Vehicle" blue plaque scheme for cars?! Madness! I'm thinking that the creator of this petition hasn't really thought things through...
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Last Edit: Jan 28, 2018 21:36:00 GMT by BenzBoy
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Jan 28, 2018 21:32:51 GMT
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sounds like gibberish to me... there must be plenty of other issues that wold be better served by a petition? maybe to actually spend all the taxation wedge collected for the maintenance of roads actually on roads rather than funding lgbtvbgt (or whatever acronym is in use today) hang-gliding clubs etc!
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'80 s1 924 turbo..hibernating '80 golf gli cabriolet...doing impression of a skip '97 pug 106 commuter...continuing cheapness making me smile!
firm believer in the k.i.s.s and f.i.s.h principles.
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Jan 28, 2018 21:40:22 GMT
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As far as I know these "scrappage schemes" are just car dealerships offering an incentive to trade in an old car for a new one. There isn't any government money being made available, they're just the usual trade-in deals that are using the publicity (and stupid made-up name) of the Government funded scheme 10 years ago. How can the government stop someone legally trading in their old car for a new one, whether it's a 2004 Kia or a Ferrari 250 GTO? Thinking more about this... how on earth would this be remotely workable? Will it be illegal for anyone to scrap a historic vehicle unless it's been proven to have not been involved in any kind of trade-in for a new car? Will it also be inspected to make sure that it is truly beyond saving? And will the owner be forced to undertake a full resto or sell it to someone who will "defo do it up mate" instead, should it be found to be saveable? Will there be some sort of "Listed Vehicle" blue plaque scheme for cars?! Madness! I'm thinking that the creator of this petition hasn't really thought things through... hahaha, yeah... this is why I passed it on with my personal disclaimer at the top that I'm never very sure about them. I'm not passionately advocating that everyone signs it. It does seem highly implausible to attempt regulate what somebody does with their historic vehicle. But... I'm passing it on. Some will sign, others will be skeptical. Personally I was skeptical too, but shrugged and signed anyway. = )
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Last Edit: Jan 28, 2018 21:48:27 GMT by Deleted
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Jan 28, 2018 21:48:04 GMT
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There was a great one shared to a Facebook hot rod group. Somebody had been very passionate about putting a petition up to protest the already determined but not yet decided MOT exemption policy, and it was like reading the first political speech ever written by the first sentient potato...
"We the undersigned, right, listen, because, right I don't want for example, imagine I'm, right, in my V8 Morris Minor right, and then this copper comes up and he turns around and says to me, right, hang on, he says, right... you can't drive that, right, well... so then I'll turn around and say how comes I've drived it for like ten or 19 years right and it's never been a problem, right, but he'll just turn around and say its the law mate, and that aint right is it. so join me now, us now, right, and come together with my petition to let your vices be herd by the upper escalones of the governing body of the government, right, to say, no. Enough, leave our hot rods alone we're good people and we really take care of them. The hot rods I mean. We really do a good job of 'em. So WE DEMAND A EXCUSE TO BE ABLE TO CARRY ON DOING IT. Yours petitionly, Grunter"
I've had to re-write it from memory but it's fairly accurate.
I didn't sign that one.
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Last Edit: Jan 28, 2018 22:06:34 GMT by Deleted
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As far as I know these "scrappage schemes" are just car dealerships offering an incentive to trade in an old car for a new one. There isn't any government money being made available, they're just the usual trade-in deals that are using the publicity (and stupid made-up name) of the Government funded scheme 10 years ago. How can the government stop someone legally trading in their old car for a new one, whether it's a 2004 Kia or a Ferrari 250 GTO? Thinking more about this... how on earth would this be remotely workable? Will it be illegal for anyone to scrap a historic vehicle unless it's been proven to have not been involved in any kind of trade-in for a new car? Will it also be inspected to make sure that it is truly beyond saving? And will the owner be forced to undertake a full resto or sell it to someone who will "defo do it up mate" instead, should it be found to be saveable? Will there be some sort of "Listed Vehicle" blue plaque scheme for cars?! Madness! I'm thinking that the creator of this petition hasn't really thought things through... hahaha, yeah... this is why I passed it on with my personal disclaimer at the top that I'm never very sure about them. I'm not passionately advocating that everyone signs it. It does seem highly implausible to attempt regulate what somebody does with their historic vehicle. But... I'm passing it on. Some will sign, others will be skeptical. Personally I was skeptical too, but shrugged and signed anyway. = ) Yeah I wasn't having a go at you, I just find 99.9% of these e-petitions seem to be started by people without the slightest grasp of how things work - as illustrated by your Hot Rod petition example!
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Last Edit: Jan 29, 2018 9:12:40 GMT by BenzBoy
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Jan 29, 2018 10:16:58 GMT
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done
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Jan 29, 2018 14:53:31 GMT
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Me too. Who the hell would p/x a 'mint' Standard Ten for a new van??!! Somebody who's starting a business, probably. If you want to save a classic from the crusher, offer the owner more cash than the scrappage schemes. It's that simple.
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Jan 29, 2018 16:52:32 GMT
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Me too. Who the hell would p/x a 'mint' Standard Ten for a new van??!! Somebody who's starting a business, probably. If you want to save a classic from the crusher, offer the owner more cash than the scrappage schemes. It's that simple. Not always that straightforward, I imagine the scrappage schemes are able to build in unattainable p/x values, i.e. you put in a car worth £2K on the open market but get a £4K allowance from the dealer.
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Last Edit: Jan 29, 2018 16:53:06 GMT by MkX
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Porsche
West Midlands
Kev from B'ham.
Posts: 4,725
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Jan 29, 2018 17:02:15 GMT
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Signed.
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Jan 29, 2018 17:47:34 GMT
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This whole thing just further illustrates what a wasteful society we have become.
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Jan 29, 2018 19:05:37 GMT
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I don't sign petitions, but if I did id be more likley to sign one regarding the MOT exemption. That might make me sound like some sort of enemy, but I just don't understand why old cars don't need an MOT.
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Jan 29, 2018 20:19:05 GMT
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YOU ARE THE ENEMY!
Actually I think 99% agree with you on the MOT thing. It's only oddballs like myself who are looking forward to not having the stress of a single day looming on the calendar every year*. I've pretty much put it entirely out my mind for now because I still can't quite grasp what exactly is going on and even whether my car does or doesn't qualify for exemption.
If the whole idea gets canned I wont be too upset about it, it just means I carry on as always and I will need to stick to stock vehicles if i want to enjoy the freedom of not having to pass a test once a year.
* One of the main reasons I find MOTs stressful is that without fail, every year, my old vehicle has always managed to throw me a major curve ball in the run up to the test, and that has always been further compounded by the fact I'm also just off on a family holiday or a business trip, leaving me scrambling around like a maniac trying to get a part sourced, delivered, fitted and then get my MOT done so I can get the road tax the very next day... all from a mobile phone with 10% of battery left whilst taxying up the runway to fly 5000 miles away. I could just really do without it. It has never once, in about ten years old car owning, ever been a convenient moment.
(and before anyone says "just SORN it"... I have nowhere to put a sorned car. I'm strictly a side-of-the-road merchant)
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Last Edit: Jan 29, 2018 20:21:02 GMT by Deleted
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Jan 29, 2018 20:25:58 GMT
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As I have said previously I am totally against the idea of MOT exemptions for older vehicles. This has been discussed at some length in another thread and I remain convinced that it would lead to large numbers of vehicles in very dodgy condition in use on the road when they really ought not to be.
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Jan 29, 2018 20:33:14 GMT
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As I have said previously I am totally against the idea of MOT exemptions for older vehicles. This has been discussed at some length in another thread and I remain convinced that it would lead to large numbers of vehicles in very dodgy condition in use on the road when they really ought not to be. The thing is, I know of one personaly, he is very much of the, 'if it aint broke don't fix it, and if it is broke, see if you can bodge it' mentality, the car doesnt even get serviced as such. To be quite frank, it terrifies me.
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Jan 29, 2018 20:37:37 GMT
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There is bodging and bodging though. Some things can be safely bodged and concealed but other things need to be fixed properly in order to not become a danger to oneself and others.
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Jan 29, 2018 21:25:08 GMT
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I think the easiest reply to that would be 'yes'
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